Not By Works

LightLoveHope · Feb 17, 2018

There is a phrase, "How can you tell when ..... is lying? Their lips are moving"

Dispensationalists claim all Jesus's words before the cross do not apply to believers.
Some say up to pentecost and others go further.

It is sad when I have to state obvious facts about theological positions to people who
even follow a version of this theology, but then their lips are moving, lol.

I have to apologise if I thought the intelligence of contributors are not up to following
what different groups actually believe or being consistent, but it is actually part of having
a faith to know how it hangs together, or else it is not actually a faith, just posing.

NoNameMcgee · Feb 17, 2018

LightLoveHope said:

unless you can point to someone here who preaches being born again doesnt lead to God giving them a new heart?

i can prove with their own words

anyone ive personally sided with mentions the new heart God gives to His children He started in

and will continue in....

Ezekiel 36:26
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

Philippians 1:6
6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

romans 10

6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above: )

7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)

8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

MHz · Feb 17, 2018

LightLoveHope said:

Monty Python did it better with the 'calling out the dead' and one guy kept saying he still alive and one gut turns to the other and says, 'Those kind always lie.' and away they went

LightLoveHope · Feb 17, 2018

I have to be honest. I believe Jesus changes us, but not in when we get to heaven
but today, here and now. I have seen it happen in people and experienced it myself.

Now the cross conquering sin and setting sinners free, this is Christs everlasting power.
Love has no bounds and through the Holy Spirit is the eternal miracle in our hearts.

Taking a sinner and turning them into a child of God is amazing. Heaven coming down
to earth is the greatest work Jesus did, and us being able to preach and lead people to
Christ and the freedom this is, is a real privilege.

Leaving sinners bound in sin, defeated, locked down, their hearts defended and frozen
is a gospel with no meaning or power.

The fake legalism, without emotional reality and heart change is equally false, but those
who appear trapped in one extreme appear to have just flipped to 100% the opposite with
the same outcomes. Shocking but true, and very, very aggressive, enough to try and rip ones
head off or probably get out their guns and show you who is boss,

lol

eternally-gratefull · Feb 17, 2018

BillG said:

Usually jewish roots. They think they honor God, since no vowels are in the hebrew.. They think the hebrew is Gods language (Usually) so they feel to add the vowel will dishonor god.

Religion at its finest.

eternally-gratefull · Feb 17, 2018

dcontroversal said:

I am still trying to figure out how he can speak of the doctrine of grace, when he has no idea what the word even means. You would think to be a teacher of a truth, you should at least understand what the word mean.

eternally-gratefull · Feb 17, 2018

People should not talk about dispensationalism when they have no idea what that is either. And when you are a liar over and over again, Yet deny you lie, You should not try to tell others what lieing looks like. Because you do not underdstand that either.

preston39 · Feb 17, 2018

eternally-gratefull said:

e...,

Honorable thought but, not the reason.

Here it is;

...Why do we leave out the "o" G-d?A Note About the Spelling of G-d's Name

Why do we leave out the "o" when referring to G-d?According to Jewish tradition we do not write out the Creator's name in any language, unless as part of a printed book which we know will be preserved with dignity and treated as holy. Refraining from writing out His name is a sign of reverence and awe for the Creator. If this name were to be written out and then, the paper on which it was written would become lost or destroyed, or even if it was brought into an unclean place, this would be showing disrespect and it would be a desecration of His name.

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We Hebrew Christians carry some of the old honorable works .....where not in conflict with ....The Christ.

TruthTalk · Feb 17, 2018

dcontroversal said:

More of Peter Jen's sugar coated gospel, and a lier, is a lier, is a lier, stay away from him. Christians are called to, "Preach the gospel" not "Sharing the gospel", one of Peter Jens favorite phrases from before, and why is he allowed back to Share his counterfeit gospel = a counterfeit Christ.

LightLoveHope said:

And He said to them, "Go into all the world and "preach the gospel" to all creation. Mark16:15

VCO · Feb 17, 2018

mailmandan said:

I guess you have, that is a famous fast food reasturant, here in Nebraska, my FAST FOOD is a RUNZA. It serves the famousMy favorite is the Swizz Cheese and Mushroom Runza, it is made a complete stuffed shandwich, with cabbage, meat, cheese, and this one has mushrooms, YUM.

Yep, tastes like food from Heaven.

Genesis 28:20 (NCV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Then Jacob made a promise. He said, “I want God to be with me and to protect me on this journey. I want him to give me food {RUNZAS} to eat and clothes to wear

1 Timothy 6:8 (GW)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] As long as we have food {RUNZAS} and clothes, we should be satisfied.

ElAmor · Feb 18, 2018

dcontroversal said:

Will your ZOMBIE dogma save you?

Luke 6:31 do to others as you would have them do to you.

Endoscopy · Feb 18, 2018

benhur said:

You leave out some preceding verses that put it in a different context! Many want to say the law is replaced by grace.

Matthew 5:17 to 20 NIV

The Fulfillment of the Law
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

Endoscopy · Feb 18, 2018

Lets take it step by step.

1. The law is in place.
2. Sin is transgression of the law.
3. We are condemned by our sin.
4. Jesus led a sinless life.
5. Thus he was the unblemished lamb of God.
6. Jesus died on the cross as a sacrifice for our sins.
7. If we accept him as our savior he takes on Himself our sins.
8. Thus we stand without sin before God.

dcontroversal · Feb 18, 2018

ElAmor said:

Sure the gospel I have believed will save me....

It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
He that believes on the SON is not condemned.
He that believes on the SON is having everlasting life.
In the grace you are having been saved OUT OF FAITH.......
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy HAS HE SAVED US.
For GOD so loved the world that he gave his ONLY begotten SON, WHOSOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM IS NOT PERISHING, but is HAVING EVERLASTING LIFE.
But these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.

preacher4truth · Feb 18, 2018

ElAmor said:

No one is saved by their dogma.

No one is saved by their performance.

All who are saved are saved by Solus Christus.

star · Feb 18, 2018

If one can lose salvation, what security do they have? Seriously.

If keeping our salvation is dependent upon our works, doesn't the OT show us that didn't work?

Praise God for the NT and His gift of salvation, which is opened up to all mankind.

LightLoveHope · Feb 18, 2018

"People should not talk about dispensationalism when they have no idea what that is either. And when you are a liar over and over again, Yet deny you lie, You should not try to tell others what lieing looks like. Because you do not underdstand that either."

I need to comment on a statement like this. It is dismissive, and ignorant.
Dispensationalism is splitting the gospel up into different dispensations. And we are all
dispensational to a degree, else we could not be believers. If making these simple observations
is lying, then the writer is just wanting to slander and not discuss.

Saying someone is lying without context or example is slander and sin,
unless you can distinguish between the truth and the lie.
I talk about people being called a liar by John for a specific reason.
It is claiming to know God, yet denying it by ones life. John describes this as lying.

I hope participants here can tell the difference between slander and honoring the truth.
Once hatred and antagonism gets too deep, you can tell the language descends to mere slander.

To avoid such stupid disputing I prefer to quote scripture.
We are called to live a Holy pure life.

For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life.
1 Thessalonians 4:7

The man who says, "I know him," but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1 John 2:4

Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates his brother is still in the darkness.
1 John 2:9

This is Gods word. Rebel against this and you are rejecting Jesus.
I am not a sinless perfectionist, I am though someone seeking to know Gods will.
The hatred and slander I receive indicates no love or even empathy, or a desire
to understand another, but total rejection and judgement.

If by sharing the word of God, I am a deceiver and evil, you know the speaker of
such a things is no friend or follower of God.

And those who do not have spiritual reality in their hearts, saying and doing anything
is no problem for them, because put simply their consciences and hearts are seared and
hard. And my friends there is nothing personal going on here, this is just the word of
God and attacking someone sharing it. This is what the pharisees did to Jesus,

The Jews answered him, "Aren't we right in saying that you are a Samaritan and demon-possessed?"
"I am not possessed by a demon," said Jesus, "but I honor my Father and you dishonor me.
I am not seeking glory for myself; but there is one who seeks it, and he is the judge.
I tell you the truth, if anyone keeps my word, he will never see death.""
John 8:48-51

By the way the death Jesus is talking about here is the second death.
It is obvious because all the apostles did die a human death, yet in heaven
they rise to immortality and walking with Jesus.

LightLoveHope · Feb 18, 2018

star said:

This is a simple miss-understanding of many.
Believing people can lose their faith, is just an observational fact.
It is faith and belief in Christ that saves us, and upon which all the promises are given.

You ask about security. And you are right, if the Holy Spirit and love and the cross did
not witness to our hearts we would have no security.

If you truly knew how deep Gods love for you is, in going to the cross, the infinite nature
of that love, which the creator of all, stooped so low as to walk with one of His creation
and call them friends, even though we hate and rebel against all He is and stands for, though
in ignorance and blindness, then you would not even raise the question.

My life was turned upside down, when I saw how deep that love was, how far beyond anything
I could ever do for anyone, and how I was totally undone on any level of justification or pride or
acts, and only a saved servant or slave to my King who purchased me from sin and death.

Now I am speaking here from the heart, not just an intellectual assent, but my all is laid before
His throne of grace. Nothing I do is ever worthy, but He has made us all worthy, pure and Holy,
able to know and commune with Him. I share this not because it is easy or something gained in
a flash, but because through my life it has grown stronger and greater until it flows from me like
a river bursting from a dam that is full. If I can be a sacrifice of praise to His name and work,
Amen. We read so quickly about deep things of the heart, not seeing in them is eternity, and
our lives, yet many will dismiss me as nothing, a deceiver, going the broad path.

There are kingdoms, and sight given dependent where you dwell. I do not blame those who are
as they are, but neither can I change the reality I know. Grace and peace to you, In Christ
Jesus our Lord, Amen

star · Feb 18, 2018

We need not to care what "others" think of us if we have placed our soul in the hands of God, Creator of all that is. His desire is for His creation to worship, love, praise and give our all to Him. We are to submit daily to the Holy Spirit and allow ourselves to be an instrument for His service and to become what He has planned for us to be from the moment we were conceived in the womb.

To God be the glory forever and ever Amen.

Ariel82 · Feb 18, 2018

NoNameMcgee said:

unless you can point to someone here who preaches being born again doesnt lead to God giving them a new heart?

i can prove with their own words

anyone ive personally sided with mentions the new heart God gives to His children He started in

and will continue in....

Ezekiel 36:26
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

Philippians 1:6
6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

romans 10

6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above: )

7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)

8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Nice picture and bible verses!

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