Not By Works

Ariel82 · Mar 16, 2018

We know live and dynamic faith by the presence of the Holy spirit...not good works for a fruit tree may take 5 years before they bear fruit, yet they are still a fruit tree.

The focus is sinking deep roots into the foundation, which is grace and love and faith in Christ....before sending sprouts.

Forcing people to work work work before they are mature and grounded in Christ and truly understand accept that they are beloved children of God, healed from the wounds of this world and sitting at His feet.....that causes for shallow roots and burn out...,too many stones being thrown at them.

LightLoveHope · Mar 16, 2018

ljs said:

Hi ljs,

One problem with this site, is the theology different individuals are actually following and
some extremely provocative individuals who will project stuff with no desire to be restrained
or honest. I am a simple evangelical, with methodist Holiness leanings, from an anglican, brethren,
baptist background, along with openness to the gifts of the Spirit.

Now a theology is being believed here "free grace" that is extreme and gnostic, in parts, and
hidden in the way enemies are picked and continual condemnation put out.

So I believe in salvation by faith alone, but with demonstrative demonstration of this faith
in ones life afterwards. The extreme members would want to confuse these issues and condemn
all as legalists, which can lead to brothers and sisters in Christ appearing to be on opposite sides
when actually being one in the Lord.

Some might say this is why they avoid such open forums as this, because so much is hidden
and the consequences are so minor for causing trouble. But I look at it that it helps us hone
our presentations and see what is being shared and blessed, because this very audience is
the one any work of God will need to address.

So grace and peace to you in Christ Jesus, Amen.

ElAmor · Mar 16, 2018

NoNameMcgee said:

Revelation 3:1-6 To the Church in Sardis “To the angel of the church in Sardis write: These are the words of him who holds the seven spirits of God and the seven stars. I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but YOU ARE DEAD. Wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have not found your deeds complete in the sight of my God. Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; OBEY IT AND REPENT. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you. Yet you have a few people in Sardis who have not soiled their clothes. THEY WILL WALK WITH ME, dressed in white, for they are WORTHY. He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never BLOT OUT HIS NAME from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels. HE WHO HAS AN EAR, LET HIM HEAR what the Spirit says to the churches.

1 John 2:1-11 My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did. Dear friends, I am not writing you a new command but an old one, which you have had since the beginning. This old command is the message you have heard. Yet I am writing you a new command; its truth is seen in him and you, because the darkness is passing and the true light is already shining. Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates his brother is still in the darkness. Whoever loves his brother lives in the light, and there is nothing in him to make him stumble. But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks around in the darkness; he does not know where he is going, because THE DARKNESS HAS BLINDED HIM.

... LET GOD BE TRUE AND EVERY MAN A LIAR. (romans 3:4)

NoNameMcgee · Mar 16, 2018

NoNameMcgee said:

Romans 4:5 - But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
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Philippians 3:9 - And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
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Isaiah 53:11 - He shall see of the travail of his soul, [and] shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
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Galatians 2:16 - Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

bump

i am at work

LightLoveHope · Mar 16, 2018

NoNameMcgee said:

If you cannot work through another persons perspective, and see it from their point
of view, you will never be able to love your enemies.

You accuse me of lies and strawmen, but are incapable of actually articulating it,
just insulting and rejecting someone. That is not love or being honest, just bigotted
and closed minded. And based on your previous post you are actually too scared to
read this, because it might hit home. Grace and peace to you in Christ Jesus, Amen.

ElAmor · Mar 16, 2018

2 John 1:5-11 And now, dear lady, I am not writing you a new command but one we have had from the beginning. I ask that we love one another. And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love. Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist. Watch out that you do not lose what you have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully. Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him. Anyone who welcomes him shares in his wicked work.

ljs · Mar 16, 2018

LightLoveHope said:

you say "So I believe in salvation by faith alone, but with demonstrative demonstration of this faith
in ones life afterwards "

There is the BUT, right after saying you believe in salvation by Faith Alone , I knew it would be coming , and it did

Demonstration of faith SHOULD come after salvation , however you add it on to the Free Gift of Salvation

Adding ANYTHING to Jesus Christ's finished work perverts the Gospel of Grace

ElAmor · Mar 16, 2018

Matthew 28:18-20 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

LightLoveHope · Mar 16, 2018

Want an example of how not be behave in Jesus,

NNM.

To accuse people of sin, lying, deceiving is sinful if it is wrong.
To go on to say they are preaching a false gospel and saying they
are working for the enemy, is total judgementalism.

To then dismiss this as if it is nothing is foolish, because we are not
our own but servants to the King, and these issues are eternal and
based on His word and His intentions.

In past centuries, people died for these approaches and simply did not
survive very long, so few ever got that far. It is amazing to see such
a thing from someone with such gusto. It will not end well.

NoNameMcgee · Mar 16, 2018

LightLoveHope said:

whoa'whoa whoa

if you want me to post more proof of your lies and accusations

ill unblock you after work

and post them again

i already have posted the large sum of back to back lies you made the day i blocked you 5 times

you even saying i dont articulate them is a lie in itself

you are filled with lies

and i love you in the sense i want whats best for you

but if i keep throwing pearls before swine

when will they stop trampling them?

God has placed it on my heart to distance myself from the same group of wolves on this site

focus more on young sheep
sapplings

and people in real life

face to face

yes
i do in fact see you as a false preacher

and yes in fact i have looked at things through your foggy goggles

and even tried more than once to connect with you...

but you show time and time again not only to be blind

but filled with lies and seeking an opening to try and insert your venom....

God can make you new

i have already planted seeds

it is Him who provides the growth

LightLoveHope · Mar 16, 2018

ljs said:

Are you brainwashed? How do you show you are an athlete? You run a race.
How do you show you can drive a car? You drive a car.

I am not saying anything unusual. John the baptist said the same about repentance,
one needs to show the fruit of it to show it is true. This is so simple.

All my experience in the christian church everyone knows this idea. You appear not to.
So maybe you are a "free gracer" too.

ElAmor · Mar 16, 2018

NoNameMcgee said:

originally posted by Seohce

DID JESUS STOP WORKING AFTER HIS DEATH ON THE CROSS (CHRIST’S FINISHED WORK ON THE CROSS)?

WHAT WORK WAS FINISHED ON THE CROSS?

DID CHRIST FINISH HIS WORKS OF SALVATION BY DYING ON THE CROSS?

John 5:17 Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working.”

...the reason the son of man appeared was to destroy the devil’s work. (1 john 3:8)

John 14:12 I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.

Luke 24:44-49 He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.” Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures. He told them, “This is what is written: The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, and repentance and forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. You are witnesses of these things. I am going to send you what my Father has promised; but stay in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high.”

IS SALVATION “VOID OF WORKS” OR “ NOT BY WORKS (OF OURSELVES)?

ARE SERVANTS CONSIDERED WORKERS?

ARE PREACHERS,TEACHERS, EVANGELISTS, PASTORS, MINISTERS, ADMINISTRATORS ETC. CONSIDERED SERVANTS AND WORKERS OF GOD?
WHAT IF THEY ONLY HAVE FAITH VOID OF WORKS, THEN LOOK DOWN ON THE OTHER PARTS OF THE BODY IN HYPOCRISY AS IF THEY'RE THE ONLY LEGITIMATE PART OF IT? WILL THAT FAITH SAVE THEM?( 1 corinthians chapter 12)

WE ARE GOD’S FELLOW WORKERS(1 cor 3:9)
SENT OUT TO HARVEST WHAT WE HAVE NOT WORKED FOR...THE CROP FOR ETERNAL LIFE.

Luke 10:2 He told them, “The harvest is plentiful, but the workers are few. Ask the Lord of the harvest, therefore, to send out workers into his harvest field.

John 4:34-38 “My food,” said Jesus, “is to do the will of him who sent me and to finish his work. Do you not say, ‘Four months more and then the harvest’? I tell you, open your eyes and look at the fields! They are ripe for harvest. EVEN NOW the reaper draws his wages, EVEN NOW HE HARVESTS THE CROP FOR ETERNAL LIFE, so that the sower and the reaper may be glad TOGETHER. Thus the saying ‘One sows and another reaps’ I SENT YOU TO REAP WHAT YOU HAVE NOT WORKED FOR. Others have done the hard work, and you have reaped the benefits of their labor.”

ARE THERE WORKS NEEDED TO BE DONE FOR SALVATION?

WE ARE TO SERVE IN THE WORKS OF THE GOSPEL WHICH IS THE GOSPEL OF OUR SALVATION.

1 Thessalonians 3:2,5 We sent Timothy, who is our brother and GOD’S FELLOW WORKER in SPREADING THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST, to strengthen and encourage you in your faith, For this reason, when I could stand it no longer, I sent to find out about your faith. I was afraid that in some way the tempter might have tempted you and our efforts might have been USELESS.

Philippians 2:22 But you know that Timothy has proved himself, because as a son with his father he has SERVED WITH ME in the WORK OF THE GOSPEL.

Ephesians 1:13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, THE GOSPEL OF YOUR SALVATION. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,

John 7:18 HE WHO SPEAKS ON HIS OWN does so to gain honor for himself, but HE WHO WORKS FOR THE HONOR OF THE ONE WHO SENT HIM IS A MAN OF TRUTH; there is nothing false about him.

John 9:4-5 As long as it is day, “WE” MUST DO THE WORK OF HIM WHO SENT ME. Night is coming, when no one can work. While I am in the world, I am the light of the world.”

1 Corinthians 15:58 Therefore, my dear brothers, stand firm. Let nothing move you. Always give yourselves fully to the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain.

BUT WE ARE NOT WORKING FOR OUR OWN SALVATION BUT FOR THE CHURCH WHICH IS THE BODY OF CHRIST OF WHOM HE IS THE SAVIOR (eph 5:23),
WHERE HE PUTS THOSE THAT ARE BEING SAVED AND ARE MADE PARTS OF HIS BODY FOR WORKS OF SERVICE.

Ephesians 4:11-13 It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, TO PREPARE GOD’S PEOPLE FOR WORKS OF SERVICE, so that the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.

1 Corinthians 12:28 And in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing, those able to help others, those with gifts of administration, and those speaking in different kinds of tongues.

Romans 12:4-8 Just as each of us has one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function, so in Christ we who are many form one body, and each member belongs to all the others. We have different gifts, according to the grace given us. If a man’s gift is prophesying, let him use it in proportion to his faith. If it is serving, let him serve; if it is teaching, let him teach; if it is encouraging, let him encourage; if it is contributing to the needs of others, let him give generously; if it is leadership, let him govern diligently; if it is showing mercy, let him do it cheerfully.

1 Corinthians 11:3 Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.

THE TRUE MESSAGE OF THE CROSS IS SELFLESS LOVE.

GOD GAVE US HIS ONLY SON.
JESUS GAVE HIS LIFE FOR US.
WE OUGHT TO LAY DOWN OUR LIVES FOR OUR BROTHERS.

1 John 3:16 This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers.

Philippians 2:4 Each of you should look not only to your OWN INTERESTS, but also to the interests of OTHERS.

Philippians 2:21 For everyone looks out for HIS OWN INTERESTS, not those of Jesus Christ.

Colossians 3:12-17 Therefore, as God’s chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience. Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity. Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, since as members of one body you were called to peace. And be thankful. Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom, and as you sing psalms, hymns and spiritual songs with gratitude in your hearts to God. And whatever you do, whether in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.

Galatians 6:2,10 Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ. Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers.

Matthew 16:24-28 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, HE MUST DENY HIMSELFand take up his cross and follow me. For WHOEVER WANTS TO SAVE HIS LIFE WILL LOSE IT, but whoever loses his life for me will find it. What good will it be for a man if he gains the whole world, yet forfeits his soul? Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul? For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what he has done. I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”

2 Timothy 2:14-19 A Workman Approved by God Keep reminding them of these things. Warn them before God against QUARRELING ABOUT WORDS; it is of no value, and ONLY RUINS THOSE WHO LISTEN. Do your best to present yourself to God as one APPROVED, a WORKMAN who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth. Avoid godless chatter, because THOSE WHO INDULGE IN IT WILL BECOME MORE AND MORE UNGODLY. Their teaching will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, who have WANDERED AWAY FROM THE TRUTH. They say that the resurrection has already taken place, and THEY DESTROY THE FAITH OF SOME. Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord MUST TURN AWAY FROM WICKEDNESS.”

LightLoveHope · Mar 16, 2018

NoNameMcgee said:

NNM - You are just repeating the same accusation.

"you are filled with lies"

You sound like someone who just knows how to accuse but
not the seriousness of the accusation. Because you can type
does not mean you have points that make any sense.
If we were to go to court about slander, you would lose.

VCO · Mar 16, 2018

LightLoveHope said:

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Have you not tried to understand Paul?

The Conflict of Two Natures

Romans 7:14-25 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am of flesh, sold into bondage to sin.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For what I am doing, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] But if I do the very thing I do not want to do, I agree with the Law, confessing that the Law is good.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] I find then the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man,
[SUP]23 [/SUP] but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death?
[SUP]25 [/SUP] Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin.

As Dr. John MacArthur has put it: "A Christian is NOT SINLESS, however, as he or she Matures Spiritually they will Sin LESS, and LESS, and LESS." We will not be Perfect in our Bodies until He Takes us home, in those Resurrected or Changed Glorified Bodies.

1 Corinthians 15:42-43 (NASB)
[SUP]42 [/SUP] So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body;
[SUP]43 [/SUP] it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power;

1 Corinthians 15:50-54 (HCSB)
[SUP]50 [/SUP] Brothers, I tell you this: Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, and corruption cannot inherit incorruption.
[SUP]51 [/SUP] Listen! I am telling you a mystery: We will not all fall asleep, but we will all be changed,
[SUP]52 [/SUP] in a moment, in the blink of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we will be changed.
[SUP]53 [/SUP] For this corruptible must be clothed with incorruptibility, and this mortal must be clothed with immortality.
[SUP]54 [/SUP] When this corruptible is clothed with incorruptibility, and this mortal is clothed with immortality, then the saying that is written will take place: Death has been swallowed up in victory.

1 John 3:2-3 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we will be. We know that when He appears, we will be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] And everyone who has this hope fixed on Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.

That last verse is an ON GOING ACT OF PURIFICATION, but the PERFECTION OF IT, is in the Resurrection or when HE changes us to be LIKE HIM. Our conscious goal, is to become more, and more LIKE CHRIST, until HE TAKES US HOME TO GO TO THE WEDDING OF THE LAMB.

benhur · Mar 16, 2018

NoNameMcgee said:

Yes, his quote #58318.

I asked him a very simple question about the parable of the merciful king. He comes back with a very dishonest evasion about content. Usually when a person wants to dodge a bullet they go to their context card. It is decieving and dishonest most of the time, and in this case it was dishonest.

Then after the context issue, he does not answer the question anyway. He does not answer because it does not fit his theology, so he dishonestly dodges by feigning context and not answering.

The answer to the parable of the merciful king is the king forgives and grants a great gift of grace to the debtor. This debtor then goes out and does not forgive his small debtor and throws him in prision. When the king hears of it, he summons the debtor back and takes back his gift and throws him in prison.

What do we take from this parable. Grace is given freely, but if you do things that are contrary to the words of Jesus, your free gift of grace can be taken away and you will not enter into internal life but into hell.

And always remember the words of Jesus at the end of the parable: "So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses". Matthew 18:35.

NoNameMcgee · Mar 16, 2018

here is a back and forth where i articulate your lies

and here you are saying i havent......

LLH

im done....

i truely do forgive you

i have no malice in my heart against you
and i truely do wish the best for you....

i pray God opens your eyes

so you can see truth and true
and lies as wicked

i pray He shows to you the sacrifice of Jesus is what saves

and not mens works

NoNameMcgee said:

i havent unblocked you since you falsely accused

lied

then lied about lying
while pushing a false gospel

youre fruit shines through your sugar coated deceptive words

i unblocked one message just to see if it was directed at me

and look at that

all understanding of man

no scripture or verses or context

i singled out one segment of what you said
because you did that

honestly i didnt read much else of what you said

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Quote Originally Posted by LightLoveHope View Post
Some seem to mistake the objective of participating in forums with domination of one point
of view.

We all bring our own experiences and perspectives, and given our backgrounds some might
find this hard to take.

I love to here from the Lord through other peoples inspiration and testimony, which is why
forums are such a blessing,

grace and Peace to you
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Quote Originally Posted by NoNameMcgee View Post

im only bringing scripture

my "point of view" has always been subject to change based on Gods inspired written word

those beliefs that are obvious lies

are cursed and those who push them are to be as well

those who God has revealed the truth too here
only wish to correct those who are trying to spread a false gospel

all different members of the body wish to shine light on these who are currently functioning as wolves in order they be born again as sheep

some with a gentle hand to try to guide

other with a forceful arm wishing to yank them from the broad path

its a shame some have eyes that dont see
and ears that dont hear

because the truth lies in Jesus finished work on the cross

by His grace through faith we can be saved

and it is not of our works

those who are His
remain His
6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed
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Quote Originally Posted by LightLoveHope View Post
"those beliefs that are obvious lies
are cursed and those who push them are to be as well"

"functioning as wolves"

These are strong words, dangerous accusations.
In the past such words have led to one group actually killing another over
points of view of faith, claiming the other side were really xxxxxxxxxxxx evil.

It is always easy to do this than understand why things are said and believed.
So I suggest rather than cursing scripture, and cursing believers, you actually
take time to let the Lord show you what love is and how it works.

Grace and peace to you in Christ Jesus
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Quote Originally Posted by NoNameMcgee View Post
notice i said those who function as wolves are those who preach a false gospel

and im not going to kill anyone

so rest easy
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Quote Originally Posted by LightLoveHope View Post
My friend, I do not know what you are going to do.

Your heart will limit how far your emotions run.
But cursing believers and beliefs generally is not a good idea, endangers your eternal future.

You need to know the Spirit who you follow, and what are His ways.
Unfortunately those who go down this road you are travelling harden their hearts to the extent
they know how to lash out, but not much more, and have become captives of their passions.

grace and peace to you in Christ Jesus, Amen
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Quote Originally Posted by NoNameMcgee View Post

you said i cursed scripture

i said false gospels are cursed

those who spread them are CURRENTLY FUNCTIONING AS wolves

i hope God opens your eyes "light"

you did falsely accuse me

but i was once also functioning as a wolf

until God showed me the truth

if you are offended by what i said

that should tell you something
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Quote Originally Posted by LightLoveHope View Post
So I am falsely accusing you of cursing beliefs and believers?
And my concern over your spiritual state by cursing should tell me I have problems?

My friend, God help the confused soul you have become,

grace and peace to you in Christ Jesus.
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Quote Originally Posted by NoNameMcgee View Post
you are confused

these are your words

"
So I suggest rather than cursing scripture, and cursing believers, you actually"

i never once cursed anyone

i said FALSE preachers ARE cursed BASED on
SCRIPTURE

6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

you have now been a false witness over and over

you are in error

Quote Originally Posted by NoNameMcgee View Post
beliefs that are obvious lies

are cursed and those who push them are to be as well

those who God has revealed the truth too here
only wish to correct those who are trying to spread a false gospel

all different members of the body wish to shine light on these who are currently functioning as wolves in order they be born again as sheep

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Quote Originally Posted by LightLoveHope View Post
I wonder at the animosity people have in their hearts.

Does anyone need a clearer signal than, Jesus is not here, I have serious problems
and am trying very hard to cover them up.

Grapes and figs, or thorns and thistles.

Gentleness and a humble heart, or strident putting people in their place, which is it?

A young child in a nursery could spot the differences. People want spiritual authority
and recognition so badly and think bullying and harrying actually is the road to walk.

Grace and peace to you all, in Christ Jesus who humbled himself and went to the cross
for our sins, Amen

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Quote Originally Posted by NoNameMcgee View Post
i cant speak for everyone
but since you have been talking directly to me
i forgive you

and have no animosity despite your lies and false witnesses

and character attacks even if you refuse to admit your error

if i bold or make something big

its in hopes you understand what i mean

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Quote Originally Posted by LightLoveHope View Post
My friend, you have said I lied. I told you how your words came across and reflected
back a warning. People love to play innocents, I never meant the curse on them no
on them because they really really deserve it.

And making it bigger, fonts just means you are so emotionally carried away you cannot
accept some simply do not agree with you. But that should be ok.

Wisdom. If someone with a good heart points something out that is a problem saying
they are lying and bearing a false witness just testifies about who you are and nothing else.
This is behaviour of thorns and thistles, not grace and love.

I hold no animosity towards you, I have met this approach before, a steam train wanting to
push all before it. I admire the enthusiasm, but not the content.

And your words, God forgive your extreme expressions of sin and accusation.

Grace and peace to you

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i corrected you BEFORE i said you lied

i let you know you falsely accused me

then you rejected reproof
even after i TOLD you what i said
and showed you

quoted it to show you where you first misunderstood

you rejected this

after that it was a lie
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You really think people desiring to follow Jesus are cursed and their sharing is cursed?

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did i say that?

No.

6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

you go ahead and keep making false accusations

i never cursed anyone or anything

i said false preachers are cursed

i never said believers

i said false preachers (who pervert the gospel of Christ)

i never said scripture

i said false gospel

and when i said currently functioning as a wolf
i implied they too can come to the truth by "currently"

if you are asking if i think

"You really think people desiring to follow Jesus are cursed and their sharing is cursed"

1944. epikataratos ►
Strong's Concordance
epikataratos: accursed
Original Word: ἐπικατάρατος, ον
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: epikataratos
Phonetic Spelling: (ep-ee-kat-ar'-at-os)
Short Definition: accursed
Definition: on whom a curse has been invoked, accursed, doomed to destruction.

^^^^^^^

if these are sheep in error
they will hear Gods call
repent from their false gospel

and come to the true gospel of Christ

if these functioning as wolves

stay wolves and deny the true gospel

they are cursed "accursed"

again

incase you missed it

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed

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(exactly why i will no longer discuss with llh.... it will not be fruitful if you examine his words you see lies, manipulation and straw man tactics)

eternally-gratefull · Mar 16, 2018

NoNameMcgee said:

whoa'whoa whoa

if you want me to post more proof of your lies and accusations

ill unblock you after work

and post them again

i already have posted the large sum of back to back lies you made the day i blocked you 5 times

you even saying i dont articulate them is a lie in itself

you are filled with lies

and i love you in the sense i want whats best for you

but if i keep throwing pearls before swine

when will they stop trampling them?

God has placed it on my heart to distance myself from the same group of wolves on this site

focus more on young sheep
sapplings

and people in real life

face to face

yes
i do in fact see you as a false preacher

and yes in fact i have looked at things through your foggy goggles

and even tried more than once to connect with you...

but you show time and time again not only to be blind

but filled with lies and seeking an opening to try and insert your venom....

God can make you new

i have already planted seeds

it is Him who provides the growth

You would be wasting your time sadly, been there done thsatm, Some people will just never see their own mistakes.

eternally-gratefull · Mar 16, 2018

ElAmor said:

And jesus said, it is finished. It being the plan pf salvation has been completed. Literally in the greek the words used mean “paid in full”

John 5:17 Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working.”

...the reason the son of man appeared was to destroy the devil’s work. (1 john 3:8)

John 14:12 I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.

Luke 24:44-49 He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.” Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures. He told them, “This is what is written: The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, and repentance and forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. You are witnesses of these things. I am going to send you what my Father has promised; but stay in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high.”

IS SALVATION “VOID OF WORKS” OR “ NOT BY WORKS (OF OURSELVES)?

ARE SERVANTS CONSIDERED WORKERS?

ARE PREACHERS,TEACHERS, EVANGELISTS, PASTORS, MINISTERS, ADMINISTRATORS ETC. CONSIDERED SERVANTS AND WORKERS OF GOD?
WHAT IF THEY ONLY HAVE FAITH VOID OF WORKS, THEN LOOK DOWN ON THE OTHER PARTS OF THE BODY IN HYPOCRISY AS IF THEY'RE THE ONLY LEGITIMATE PART OF IT? WILL THAT FAITH SAVE THEM?( 1 corinthians chapter 12)

WE ARE GOD’S FELLOW WORKERS(1 cor 3:9)
SENT OUT TO HARVEST WHAT WE HAVE NOT WORKED FOR...THE CROP FOR ETERNAL LIFE.

Luke 10:2 He told them, “The harvest is plentiful, but the workers are few. Ask the Lord of the harvest, therefore, to send out workers into his harvest field.

John 4:34-38 “My food,” said Jesus, “is to do the will of him who sent me and to finish his work. Do you not say, ‘Four months more and then the harvest’? I tell you, open your eyes and look at the fields! They are ripe for harvest. EVEN NOW the reaper draws his wages, EVEN NOW HE HARVESTS THE CROP FOR ETERNAL LIFE, so that the sower and the reaper may be glad TOGETHER. Thus the saying ‘One sows and another reaps’ I SENT YOU TO REAP WHAT YOU HAVE NOT WORKED FOR. Others have done the hard work, and you have reaped the benefits of their labor.”

ARE THERE WORKS NEEDED TO BE DONE FOR SALVATION?

WE ARE TO SERVE IN THE WORKS OF THE GOSPEL WHICH IS THE GOSPEL OF OUR SALVATION.

1 Thessalonians 3:2,5 We sent Timothy, who is our brother and GOD’S FELLOW WORKER in SPREADING THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST, to strengthen and encourage you in your faith, For this reason, when I could stand it no longer, I sent to find out about your faith. I was afraid that in some way the tempter might have tempted you and our efforts might have been USELESS.

Philippians 2:22 But you know that Timothy has proved himself, because as a son with his father he has SERVED WITH ME in the WORK OF THE GOSPEL.

Ephesians 1:13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, THE GOSPEL OF YOUR SALVATION. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,

John 7:18 HE WHO SPEAKS ON HIS OWN does so to gain honor for himself, but HE WHO WORKS FOR THE HONOR OF THE ONE WHO SENT HIM IS A MAN OF TRUTH; there is nothing false about him.

John 9:4-5 As long as it is day, “WE” MUST DO THE WORK OF HIM WHO SENT ME. Night is coming, when no one can work. While I am in the world, I am the light of the world.”

1 Corinthians 15:58 Therefore, my dear brothers, stand firm. Let nothing move you. Always give yourselves fully to the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain.

BUT WE ARE NOT WORKING FOR OUR OWN SALVATION BUT FOR THE CHURCH WHICH IS THE BODY OF CHRIST OF WHOM HE IS THE SAVIOR (eph 5:23),
WHERE HE PUTS THOSE THAT ARE BEING SAVED AND ARE MADE PARTS OF HIS BODY FOR WORKS OF SERVICE.

Ephesians 4:11-13 It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, TO PREPARE GOD’S PEOPLE FOR WORKS OF SERVICE, so that the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.

1 Corinthians 12:28 And in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing, those able to help others, those with gifts of administration, and those speaking in different kinds of tongues.

Romans 12:4-8 Just as each of us has one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function, so in Christ we who are many form one body, and each member belongs to all the others. We have different gifts, according to the grace given us. If a man’s gift is prophesying, let him use it in proportion to his faith. If it is serving, let him serve; if it is teaching, let him teach; if it is encouraging, let him encourage; if it is contributing to the needs of others, let him give generously; if it is leadership, let him govern diligently; if it is showing mercy, let him do it cheerfully.

1 Corinthians 11:3 Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.

THE TRUE MESSAGE OF THE CROSS IS SELFLESS LOVE.

GOD GAVE US HIS ONLY SON.
JESUS GAVE HIS LIFE FOR US.
WE OUGHT TO LAY DOWN OUR LIVES FOR OUR BROTHERS.

1 John 3:16 This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers.

Philippians 2:4 Each of you should look not only to your OWN INTERESTS, but also to the interests of OTHERS.

Philippians 2:21 For everyone looks out for HIS OWN INTERESTS, not those of Jesus Christ.

Colossians 3:12-17 Therefore, as God’s chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience. Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity. Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, since as members of one body you were called to peace. And be thankful. Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom, and as you sing psalms, hymns and spiritual songs with gratitude in your hearts to God. And whatever you do, whether in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.

Galatians 6:2,10 Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ. Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers.

Matthew 16:24-28 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, HE MUST DENY HIMSELFand take up his cross and follow me. For WHOEVER WANTS TO SAVE HIS LIFE WILL LOSE IT, but whoever loses his life for me will find it. What good will it be for a man if he gains the whole world, yet forfeits his soul? Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul? For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what he has done. I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”

2 Timothy 2:14-19 A Workman Approved by God Keep reminding them of these things. Warn them before God against QUARRELING ABOUT WORDS; it is of no value, and ONLY RUINS THOSE WHO LISTEN. Do your best to present yourself to God as one APPROVED, a WORKMAN who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth. Avoid godless chatter, because THOSE WHO INDULGE IN IT WILL BECOME MORE AND MORE UNGODLY. Their teaching will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, who have WANDERED AWAY FROM THE TRUTH. They say that the resurrection has already taken place, and THEY DESTROY THE FAITH OF SOME. Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord MUST TURN AWAY FROM WICKEDNESS.”

It is finished, You have been justified, You have Eternal life.. etc etc etc...

End of story.

We work the works of BEING SAVED, not the works of GETTING SAVED.

Try to learn the difference between sanctification and justification please.

eternally-gratefull · Mar 16, 2018

benhur said:

Yes, his quote #58318.

I asked him a very simple question about the parable of the merciful king. He comes back with a very dishonest evasion about content. Usually when a person wants to dodge a bullet they go to their context card. It is decieving and dishonest most of the time, and in this case it was dishonest.

Then after the context issue, he does not answer the question anyway. He does not answer because it does not fit his theology, so he dishonestly dodges by feigning context and not answering.

The answer to the parable of the merciful king is the king forgives and grants a great gift of grace to the debtor. This debtor then goes out and does not forgive his small debtor and throws him in prision. When the king hears of it, he summons the debtor back and takes back his gift and throws him in prison.

What do we take from this parable. Grace is given freely, but if you do things that are contrary to the words of Jesus, your free gift of grace can be taken away and you will not enter into internal life but into hell.

And always remember the words of Jesus at the end of the parable: "So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses". Matthew 18:35.

He has answered your particular question many times. Maybe he is sick of you people thinking you have a slam dunk, then when people answer, you twist their words and make it appear they have not answere4d or said something else.

Just because you do not like the answer does nto mean he has not answered.

benhur · Mar 16, 2018

Ariel82 said:

It may take a while before the HS does move this faithful man or woman to do the works of God. This is a growing process, after one believes and becomes a knew person. But eventually we will know that they have faith because of their works.

Remember their works alone will not save them, just like their faith alone will not save them. It takes a concerted effort to believe, have faith, be full of the HS and be full of good works in keeping the commandments of Jesus. The combination is what saves, all other stand alone elements (if they continue to stand alone) become dead elements. Dead works, dead faith.

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