Not By Works

VCO · Mar 31, 2018

No, it is when someone says you have to keep HIS command, to be saved. The verse you quoted says it all:

John 14:15 (HCSB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] “If you love Me, you will keep My commands.

The ASV, ESV, NASB, NJB, NRSV, CSB, NCV, NIV, GWT, AMP, BBE, CT, NET, RSV, WEY, and probably a whole lot more ENGLISH Bibles that I do not have in my computer Library, ALL CORRECTLY SAY will keep, IF WE LOVE HIM. That means The LOVE (GOD'S LOVE - Rom. 5:5) has to BE IN YOUR HEART, the very moment of SALVATION, to even be able to love HIM later, AFTER YOU ARE SAVED. IT IS PART of OUR LOVE, NOT PART OF SALVATION.

1 John 4:8 (HCSB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] The one who does not love does not know God, because God is love.

joefizz · Mar 31, 2018

Seohce said:

dcon says;

BLAH BLAH BLAH more working for pseudo salvation.....My bible teaches salvation is a present CURRENT possession.....

Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy HAS HE SAVED US <--PAST TENSE

YES..JESUS did become SIN for us....<--Only a deceiver would reject this truth as well....

He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

JESUS was BORN of a WOMAN, BORN UNDER THE LAW and “was CURSED” when he hung on a TREE....<--Only deceivers would reject the word of God which states as much....

Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us-- for it is written, "CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO HANGS ON A TREE "

FOLKS any and all who deny the above truths have proven they are not of GOD....DO NOT BELIEVE POST 59510..HE DENIES these truths and supplants them with HALF truths and deceit just like the garden when the serpent removed and then added his own words to the bible.......

Seohce

...”JESUS was BORN of a WOMAN, BORN UNDER THE LAW and “was CURSED” when he hung on a TREE....<--Only deceivers would reject the word of God which states as much....”

THIS IS A CLEAR DECLARATION BY DCON THAT JESUS WAS “CURSED”.

I DECLARE THAT OUR LORD JESUS IS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD, PURE, HOLY AND UNDEFILED. HE IS THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE AND THE WORD THAT BECAME FLESH.

SINCE WHEN HAS THE GOSPEL CHANGED?

... THAT IF YOU CONFESS WITH YOUR MOUTH “JESUS IS LORD” …...AND YOU WILL BE SAVED. (rom 10:9)

John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

1 Corinthians 15:1-4 Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain. For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,

God has said, “Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you.” So we say with confidence, “The Lord is my helper; I will not be afraid. What can man do to me?” Remember your leaders, who spoke the word of God to you. Consider the outcome of their way of life and imitate their faith. Jesus Christ is THE SAME yesterday and today and forever.(heb 13:5-8)

John 6:63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life.

Isaiah 5:20-24 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter. Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes and clever in their own sight. Woe to those who are heroes at drinking wine and champions at mixing drinks, who acquit the guilty for a bribe, but deny justice to the innocent. Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw and as dry grass sinks down in the flames, so their roots will decay and their flowers blow away like dust; for they have rejected the law of the Lord Almighty and spurned the word of the Holy One of Israel.

WOE TO THOSE WHO CALL JESUS “CURSED".

Matthew 12:36-37 But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken. For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.”

And you say blah blah blah...
"Jesus became Sin for us"....!?????
that is the nuttiest bag of pecans from the nut house of religion that I have ever read or heard...
Jesus didn't "become sin" he was "without sin" but became a "sacrifice" for "our sins" quite a difference,and my remarks are in general only a mere "portion" of what might be said to you in a church congregation if you said such a thing.
Just a small critique of mine that might keep you from being a laughing stock and help you to think to "discern better" because honestly just saying "Jesus became sin" would make people question anyone's "credibility" or "understanding" of God's word because many scriptures point toward Jesus having "no sin" and therefore is easy to "retort" by way of scripture.

Shamah · Mar 31, 2018

Cee said:

Same, I respect the way you discuss.

Cee said:

I have heard it said and it sounds nice, and Im not attacking but want to provide Scriptual truth, His word is higher than our thoughts, but "Jesus is my Sabbath" is not Scriptual. The rest He offeres none have entered into YET;

Matt 11:27-30, "All things have been delivered to Me by My Father. And no one fully knows the Son except the Father, neither does anyone fully know the Father, except the Son and those whom YHWH wills the Son to reveal. Come to Me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light"

“you who are afflictedrest with us when the Master יהושע is revealed from heaven with His mighty messengers”

This is till future;

2 Thessalonians 1:5-10, “Clear evidence of the righteous judgment of יהוה, in order for you to be counted worthy of the reign of יהוה, for which you also suffer, since יהוה shall rightly repay with affliction those who afflict you, and to give you who are afflictedrest with us when the Master יהושע is revealed from heaven with His mighty messengers, in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know יהוה, and on those who do not obey the Good News of our Master יהושע Messiah, who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Master and from the esteem of His strength, when He comes to be esteemed in His set-apart ones and to be admired among all those who believe in that Day, because our witness to you was believed.”

Cee said:

1 John 3:24, “And the one guarding His commands stays in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He stays in us, by the Spirit which He gave us.”

If you can provide a Scripture that says this OK, but as shown above and in the following verse the "rest" He offers is in the Kingdom of YHWH;

Revelation 14:13, "And I heard a voice from heaven saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Messiah from now on! Yes, says the Spirit: because they will rest from their labors, and their works do follow them!"

but people make their own rest, do you think it was possible Yahshua had this in mind when offering rest?

Jeremiah 6:16-17, “Thus said יהוה, “Stand in the ways and see, and ask for the old paths, where the good way is, and walk in it; and find rest for yourselves.” But they said, ‘We do not walk in it.’ “And I raised up watchmen over you, and said, ‘Listen to a voice of the trumpet!’ But they said, ‘We do not listen.’

Mat 7:13-14, “Enter in through the narrow gate! Because the gate is wide – and the way is broad – that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter in through it. Because the gate is narrow and the way is hard pressed which leads to life, and there are few who find it.”

Also There is a difference betweenn "it is written" and "you have heard"The pharisees altered Yah law so there are "it is heards" that are close but implemented in a different way than YHWH Commanded. If Yahshua was perfect and sinless in YHWH's Law and He was our example then I take that He walked in it the right way in it's true intent.

New International Version - Mat 23:2-3, "The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach."

King James Bible - Mat 23:2-3, "Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not."

Shem Tob's Hebrew Mattithyah - Mat 23:2-3, "The Pharisees and Sages sit upon the seat of Mosheh. Therefore, all that he (Mosheh) says to you, diligently do, but according to their takanot (reforms) and their ma'asim (precedents) do not do, because they talk (Torah) but they do not do."

Takanot: rabbinical reforms or enactments that falsely change or add to YHWH's Law.

Ma'asim: acts or deeds that serve as precedents for rabbinic law.

Both Takanot and Ma'asim are laws of the Talmud. The Savior said this to the Pharisees;

There is a big difference between the use of “it is written” and “you have heard”

“it is written” and is speaking of something that is written in YHWH’s word.

“you have heard” is speaking of things that are not in the word but were/are taught as if they are.

Matthew 2:5, “And they said to him, “In Bĕyth Leḥem of Yehuḏah, for thus it has been written by the prophet.”

Luke 24:44-45, “And He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all have to be filled that were written in the Torah of Mosheh and the Prophets and the Tehillim concerning Me. Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures.”

Mat 4:4, "But He answering, said, “It has been written (Deu 8:3."), ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of יהוה.”

Cee said:

Is the Law death or not?

Romans 7:12-14, “So that the Law truly is holy, and the command holy, and righteous, and good. Therefore, has that which is good become death to me? Let it not be! But the sin, that sin might be manifest, was working death in me through what is good, so that sin through the command might become an exceedingly great sinner. For we know that the Law is Spiritual, but I am fleshly, sold under sin."

2 Corinthians 3:7-8, “But if the administering of death in letters, engraved on stones, was esteemed, so that the children of Yisra’yl were unable to look steadily at the face of Mosheh because of the esteem of his face, which was passing away, how much more esteemed shall the administering of the Spirit not be?”

Romans 3:28, “For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law.”

Romans 3:31, “Are we then doing away with the Law* through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law*!”

Romans 7:25, “Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin.”

Romans 7:14, “For we know that the Law is spiritual...”

Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), YHWH; for it is not subject to the Law of YHWH, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please YHWH."

Cee said:

Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."

Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”

Luke 16:16-17, "The Law and the Prophets were until John, since that time the Kingdom of YHWH is preached, and every man is pressed to enter it. But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against YHWH, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of YHWH, and think to change times and Laws…"

Cee said:

Mat 22:37-40, “Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

Anyone that teaches a way of loving YHWH and our fellow human different than what He says is teaching falsehood.

Exodus 20:6, “But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws.”

John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”

Exodus 20:3-17,

Mat 22:37-40, “Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment...”

1. You have no other mighty ones against My face. (If you love YHWH you will not have other mighty ones against His face)

2. You shall not have idols. (If you love YHWH you will not have idols)

3. You shall not take the name of YHWH your Strength in vain. (If you love YHWH you will not make the Name of YHWH empty)

4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it set apart. (If you love YHWH you will Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it set apart)

Mat 22:37-40, “...And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18)”

5. Honor your father and your mother. (If you love you fellow human you will Honor your father and your mother)

6. You shall not murder. (If you love you fellow human you will not murder)

7. You shall not commit adultery. (If you love you fellow human you will not commit adultery)

8. You shall not steal. (If you love you fellow human you will not steal)

9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. (If you love you fellow human you will not bear false witness against your neighbor)

10. You shall not covet. (If you love you fellow human you will not covet)

Shamah · Mar 31, 2018

Cont.

Mat 22:37-40, “...On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

“all” is word #G3650 - holos - Strong's Concordance, holos: whole, complete, Original Word: ὅλος, η, ον, Part of Speech: Adjective, Transliteration: holos, Phonetic Spelling: (hol'-os), Short Definition: all, the whole, entire, Definition: all, the whole, entire, complete

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) all, whole, completely

Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahanan, saw the holy city, YHWH Shammah, coming down from YHWH out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of YHWH is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and YHWH Himself will be with them, and be their Father.”

Romans 13:9-10, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and (#G5100 & #G2087) any other commandments are summed up (#G346) in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."

“any”is word #G5100 - tis: a certain one, someone, anyone, Original Word: τις, τι, Part of Speech: Indefinite Pronoun, Transliteration: tis, Phonetic Spelling: (tis), Short Definition: any one, some one, Definition: any one, some one, a certain one or thing.

“other” is word #G2087 – heteros 1) the other, another, other, 1 to number,1a1) to number as opposed to some former person or thing,1a2) the other of two,1b) to quality,1b1) another: i.e. one not of the same nature, form, class, kind, different

“summed up” is word #G346 – anakephalaioó: to sum up, gather up, Original Word: ἀνακεφαλαιόω, Part of Speech: Verb, Transliteration: anakephalaioó, Phonetic Spelling: (an-ak-ef-al-ah'-ee-om-ahee), Short Definition: I sum up, summarize, recapitulate, gather up in one, Definition: I sum up, summarize, recapitulate, gather up in one

1 Timothy 1:5, “Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned.”

1 Timothy 1:5-7, " But the goal* of the commandment is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. For some men, straying from these things, have turned aside to fruitless discussion, wanting to be teachers of the Law, even though they do not understand either what they are saying or the matters about which they make confident assertions."

(goal)is word #G5056 –télos; Greek Dictionary (Lexicon-Concordance) - #5056 telos {tel'-os} from a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal)

HELPS Word-studies – 5056 télos (a neuter noun) – properly, consummation (the end-goal, purpose), such as closure with all its results.

1 John 4:20, “"If someone says, "I love Yah," and hates his brother, he is a liar; for the one who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love Yah whom he has not seen."

Revelation 22:12-15, “And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices breaking the Law.”

Cee said:

John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

John/Yahanan 10:16, "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice. So there will be one flock, one Shepherd (4166 –poimén)."

Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”

John/Yahanan 5:39, “You search the Scriptures, because you think you possess everlasting life in them. And these are the ones that bear witness of Me.”

John/Yahanan 14:26, “But the Comforter; the Holy Spirit which YHWH will send in My Name will teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I (Yahshua/Jesus) have said to you.”

John/Yahanan 6:63, “It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The words (Instructions) that I (Yahshua/Jesus) speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting.”

John 14:23-24, “יהושע answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me.”

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]"iniquity" is: #0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1) the condition of without law 1a) because ignorant of it1b) because of violating it, 2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness[/FONT]

Cee · Mar 31, 2018

TruthTalk said:

Hi TruthTalk,

I wrote that, so I feel like I'm a good person to answer you too.

What I wrote is, "I believe works are required, but not for salvation."

I really appreciate you asking about this instead of taking it to a place it wasn't intended.

So thank you.

I wrote this specifically to Shamah in regards to work, but if I was writing it to you, I would write it differently.

So to give you context.

Good works to me is loving one another.

And Scripture says if we don't love, we don't know God.

So while good works are required because they reveal our salvation in Christ, but they are not required for us to be saved. Because that would be putting the cart before the horse.

If good works were required FOR salvation, well then we are simply doing it by our own power. But if we are doing it FROM salvation, we are doing it by His power at work in us.

I hope that's clear, bless you my friend.

joefizz · Mar 31, 2018

VCO said:

Yep "Salvation"is not "Love" nor is "Love" "Salvation" Salvation is a changed life through Jesus as well as "security" concerning God's kingdom but Love of God/Jesus is not to be "for salvation" it is brought to mind "due to salvation and Jesus's sacrifice" and grows as we move forward.

Seohce · Mar 31, 2018

joefizz said:

And you say blah blah blah...
"Jesus became Sin for us"....!?????
that is the nuttiest bag of pecans from the nut house of religion that I have ever read or heard...
Jesus didn't "become sin" he was "without sin" but became a "sacrifice" for "our sins" quite a difference,and my remarks are in general only a mere "portion" of what might be said to you in a church congregation if you said such a thing.
Just a small critique of mine that might keep you from being a laughing stock and help you to think to "discern better" because honestly just saying "Jesus became sin" would make people question anyone's "credibility" or "understanding" of God's word because many scriptures point toward Jesus having "no sin" and therefore is easy to "retort" by way of scripture.

Good morning bro. I guess you're barking at the wrong tree but anyway i agree and God bless.

dcontroversal · Mar 31, 2018

Cee said:

Jesus was clear....The law and the prophets were until JOHN.....and since that time...it is the Kingdom of GOD by faith....still amazed at the lawyers and Pharisees that think in their minds they can keep that which deems their guilt....

dcontroversal · Mar 31, 2018

TruthTalk said:

Sure it is double talk and totally disregards many truths.....like the fact that believers can, do and will have works that do not meet God's standards, yet their salvation is secure in Christ....Lest we forget...NO ONE produces any works without being placed in the vine first by salvation through faith.....and exactly what works ARE REQUIRED....what exactly does that mean anyway

Shamah · Mar 31, 2018

dcontroversal said:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Luke 16:16-17, "The Law and the Prophets were until John, since that time the Kingdom of YHWH is preached, and every man is pressed to enter it. But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail." [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 2:3-7, “And by this we know that we know Him, if we guard His commands. The one who says, “I know Him,” and does not guard His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Yah has been perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. The one who says he stays in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked. Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning.”

1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."

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dcontroversal · Mar 31, 2018

Shamah said:

Luke 16:16-17, "The Law and the Prophets were until John, since that time the Kingdom of YHWH is preached, and every man is pressed to enter it. But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

1 John 2:3-7, “And by this we know that we know Him, if we guard His commands. The one who says, “I know Him,” and does not guard His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Yah has been perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. The one who says he stays in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked. Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning.”

1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."

Sure lawyer....have you kept all the law today, yesterday, last week, your whole life? NOPE your a law breaker and guilty!

TruthTalk · Mar 31, 2018

Cee said:

Hi Cee, that is a clear and reasonable answer so thank you for answering my request. And also I want to say hello to you because I believe this is our first conversation, also it appears from your posting that you are well like on this forum...

Thanks again and happy Resurrection Day!

dcontroversal · Mar 31, 2018

joefizz said:

Hey bro....I suggest you read the following....

For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

poieó: to make, do

Original Word: ποιέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: poieó
Phonetic Spelling: (poy-eh'-o)
Short Definition: I do, make
Definition: (a) I make, manufacture, construct, (b) I do, act, cause

Shamah · Mar 31, 2018

dcontroversal said:

No I am not perfect, and yes I do sin. However I knoew His Law has not passed and know it is His righteous standard. Also If I slip I do not throw out all His instructions, I hold fast to Him and seek to grow in His ways.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away." [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 119:11, “I have treasured up Your word in my heart, That I might not sin against You.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 1:8-10, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His Word is not in us."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 2:1-2, "My little children, I write these things to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father: Yahshua Messiah, the Righteous; and He is the sacrifice of atonement for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."[/FONT]

Shamah · Mar 31, 2018

Shamah said:

Luke 16:16-17, "The Law and the Prophets were until John, since that time the Kingdom of YHWH is preached, and every man is pressed to enter it. But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

1 John 2:3-7, “And by this we know that we know Him, if we guard His commands. The one who says, “I know Him,” and does not guard His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Yah has been perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. The one who says he stays in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked. Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning.”

1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."

dcontroversal said:

Also how could this post make you so angry? It is only HIS WORD.

dcontroversal · Mar 31, 2018

Shamah said:

Who said I was angry....??

Are you a law keeper or breaker? simple question and answer....

Either you have kept the whole law your whole life or you are a law breaker and guilty...which is it...?

Seohce · Mar 31, 2018

Shamah said:

HE THINKS HIS WORDS ARE SUPREME.

John 7:18 He who speaks on his own does so to gain honor for himself, but he who works for the honor of the one who sent him is a man of truth; there is nothing false about him.

Shamah · Mar 31, 2018

dcontroversal said:

Already answered that;

Shamah said:

So because I have sinned Im sup posed to make the Instructions the problem and thow them out? No He continually works on my heart;

Ezekiel 11:19-21, “And I shall give them one heart, and put a new spirit within you. And I shall take the stony heart out of their flesh, and give them a heart of flesh, so that they walk in My laws, and guard My right-rulings, and shall do them. And they shall be My people and I shall be their Strength. But to those whose hearts walk after the heart of their disgusting matters and their abominations, I shall recompense their deeds on their own heads,” declares the Master יהוה.”

Jeremiah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law (Torah/Instructions) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."

Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”

Isaiah 51:7, “Listen to Me, you who know righteousness, a people in whose heart is My Torah (Instructions/Law): do not fear the reproach of men, nor be afraid of their reviling.”

Studyman · Mar 31, 2018

dcontroversal said:

The Word which became Flesh inspired it to be written that God's Law was not for the perfect (Righteous), but for those who are not yet perfect. That would be me.

I strive to honor The Word which became Flesh, but fall on occasion. I am thankful for God's Instructions which turn me again towards Him.

I am comforted and encouraged by His Teaching.

1 Cor. 15:57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

I know there is an accuser pointing to my guilt.

But my Faith is in the "works" of the Word which became Flesh.

graceNpeace · Mar 31, 2018

Studyman said:

None are "perfect", and none will ever be in this lifetime!

That imperfection (sin) is your condemnation, and mine!
To believe that trying to obey the Torah will result in your salvation is futile!

You are literally placing your faith in a hopelessly inconsequential object - the law!

However, Jesus Christ literally fulfilled the legal requirements of the law on your behalf - all you need to do is accept this fact,
"[FONT=&quot]8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. [/FONT]" Eph 2:8-9

Unfortunately, as an Adventist, you are hopelessly mired in law-keeping......

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