Not By Works

Seohce · Apr 4, 2018

CAN YOU PROVIDE SCRIPTURES THAT SAYS JESUS WAS “CURSED" ASIDE FROM PAUL’S?

1 Corinthians 2:10-16 but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man’s spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man’s judgment: “For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.

PAUL CLEARLY DESCRIBED WHO ARE THOSE HE CONSIDERED “CURSED”;

Galatians 3:10 All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”

UNDERSTANDING THE ABOVE VERSE WILL BRING US TO THE CORRECT UNDERSTANDING OF THE FF: VERSE;

Galatians 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.”

WE SHOULD ALL KNOW THAT THE LORD JESUS IS THE “WORD THAT BECAME FLESH" AND ACCORDING TO JOHN “THE WORD IS GOD". (john 1:1-3 & 14)

GOD IS THE SUPREME BEING AND AUTHORITY WHO CREATED THE LAW FOR MAN AND NOT FOR HIMSELF SO WHAT IS MAN TO CALL HIM “CURSED"?

WHO AMONG BELIEVERS WOULD QUESTION GOD’S VULNERABILITY TO CURSES OR WHATEVER EVIL ACTS AGAINST HIM? ...PETER EXPLAINS IT BETTER;

2 Peter 3:14-18 So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him. Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are HARD TO UNDERSTAND, which IGNORANT and UNSTABLE people DISTORT, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction. Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the ERROR of lawless men and fall from your secure position. But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.

1 Timothy 6:3-5 If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.

isaiah 5:20-24 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter. Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes and clever in their own sight. Woe to those who are heroes at drinking wine and champions at mixing drinks, who acquit the guilty for a bribe, but deny justice to the innocent. Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw and as dry grass sinks down in the flames, so their roots will decay and their flowers blow away like dust; for THEY HAVE REJECTED THE LAW OF THE LORD ALMIGHTY AND SPURNED THE WORD OF THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL.

.. GOD CANNOT BE MOCKED…

...LET GOD BE TRUE AND EVERY MAN A LIAR…

John 14:6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Endoscopy · Apr 4, 2018

dcontroversal said:

On the other hand those who profess faith and have no works will not make the final cut as well. Faith without works is dead.

Methinks both are required. Faith saves and true faith generates works.

Chester · Apr 4, 2018

Endoscopy said:

Sorry you got me: I don't follow what you are trying to say . . .
I feel dumb asking (because I like to think I know logic) but curiosity calls . . .

Seohce · Apr 4, 2018

dcontroversal said:

NOTICE THE OBVIOUS LIES AND DECEPTION BY COMPARING THE BOLDED ABOVE FROM HIS DECLARATION OF JESUS BELOW.

dcon said:

JESUS was BORN of a WOMAN, BORN UNDER THE LAW and “was CURSED” when he hung on a TREE....<--Only deceivers would reject the word of God which states as much....

TruthTalk · Apr 4, 2018

Seohce said:

Jesus became a curse for us, or was a curse for us, the fact remains that Jesus Died a cruel death on a crucifix, was/became buried and rose again on the third day.

You are wrong, decon is right. Don't go away mad just go away.

Galatians3:13
13) Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”
14) He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

Seohce · Apr 4, 2018

New International Version 1984 Psalm 49:13-15 This is the fate of those who trust in themselves, and of their followers, who approve their sayings. Selah Like sheep they are destined for the grave, and death will feed on them. The upright will rule over them in the morning; their forms will decay in the grave, far from their princely mansions. But God will redeem my life from the grave; he will surely take me to himself. Selah

Seohce · Apr 4, 2018

New International Version 1984 1 Corinthians 12:3 Therefore I tell you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.

TruthTalk · Apr 4, 2018

Seohce said:

Decon did not say, "Jesus be cursed", this is a bold face lie against a Christian brother.

You are flipping your words around, this is a faulty interpretation of scripture and everyone here can see that you are bearing false witness against a brother, he never said the words above.

If you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.

Seohce · Apr 5, 2018

Hebrews 4:12-13 For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.

2 Timothy 3:15-17 and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Psalm 12:5-8 “Because of the oppression of the weak and the groaning of the needy, I will now arise,” says the Lord. “I will protect them from those who malign them.” And the words of the Lord are flawless, like silver refined in a furnace of clay, purified seven times. O Lord, you will keep us safe and protect us from such people forever. The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among men.

Shamah · Apr 5, 2018

Shamah said:

dcontroversal said:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Luke 16:16-17, "The Law and the Prophets were until John, since that time the Kingdom of YHWH is preached, and every man is pressed to enter it. But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail." [/FONT]

dcontroversal said:

OK. I never said we saved ourselves. I asked if seeking to do His will is "works"

After truly accepting the Messiah should we seek to do His will or say everything is a "work" and just say "I have been forgiven"

Why do you think Yahshua said this;

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Luke 6:46, “But why do you call Me ‘Master, Master,’ and do not do what I say?”[/FONT]

dcontroversal · Apr 5, 2018

Endoscopy said:

Your religion allow you to think that......the bible teaches differently......it is faith that save eternally without out one spiritual hoop jumping work added........maybe one day you can figure it out......

Start with...

NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS WHICH WE HAVE DONE, but according to HIS MERCY HAS HE SAVED US.

PAUL WAS CLEAR...either works or faith....not both....and Galatians was clear as well...a blend of the two = false gospel with no power....

so.....your METHINKS.....misses the mark and = a false gospel!

dcontroversal · Apr 5, 2018

TruthTalk said:

A bat without echo location is blind.....and I guess he has no understanding of the the word (was) and the fact that is points to past tense...

LEAD is one of the most dense materials....One who can read that HE BECAME A CURSE for us and or BECAME SIN for us and then is compared to one who is hung on a tree as cursed under inspiration while pushing the drivel he does....must also be compared to lead.......

dcontroversal · Apr 5, 2018

TruthTalk said:

AMEN......his deception is here for all to read....exactly why practically no one takes him serious and or pays attention to anything he states as valid truth......tragic that he cannot see his own deceptive works and the fact they they do not point to one who is of God or being led of God.....

Just stating that God is the judge and his words, works seem to indicate something different than what he claims....

dcontroversal · Apr 5, 2018

Shamah said:

Round and round we go...laa lalal llallala llallalalala

Look....one last time....THE LAW POINTS TO GUILT and CONDEMNS before GOD.

THOSE who TRUST JESUS are set FREE from the CONDEMNATION of the LAW because they have had the RIGHTEOUSNESS of CHRIST imputed ETERNALLY BY FAITH without THE WORKS OF THE LAW.

THAT which proves GUILT will NEVER make a MAN righteous before GOD.....and there is NOT A MAN or WOMAN that KEEPS IT....

YOU are a LAWBREAKER and as LONG as you PACK sinful flesh YOU will never KEEP the LAW, nor HAVE YOU KEPT THE LAW EVER....

SO....YOU are NOT a HEBREW, YOU ARE A GENTILE who was NEVER under the LAW, HIS name is JESUS and he saves his people from their SINS....NO MATTER how many times you push this DRIVEL, posts walls and walls of LAW KEEPING TEXT it does NOT change the facts on the ground.......

IF YOU want to place yourself UNDER THE LAW I SUGGEST HEBREWS...because YOU are placing yourself under and INFERIOR WAY that proves YOUR GUILT and before you attempt to BLEND FAITH and LAW to remain RIGHTEOUS I suggest GALATIANS...because the cafe BLEND you push = a FALSE, DOUBLE CURSED NON-GOSPEL which has NO POWER to save a flea, much less a MAN and ALL who push such a dogma are DOUBLE CURSED by PAUL under inspiration!

gb9 · Apr 5, 2018

dcontroversal said:

Round and round we go...laa lalal llallala llallalalala

Look....one last time....THE LAW POINTS TO GUILT and CONDEMNS before GOD.

THOSE who TRUST JESUS are set FREE from the CONDEMNATION of the LAW because they have had the RIGHTEOUSNESS of CHRIST imputed ETERNALLY BY FAITH without THE WORKS OF THE LAW.

THAT which proves GUILT will NEVER make a MAN righteous before GOD.....and there is NOT A MAN or WOMAN that KEEPS IT....

YOU are a LAWBREAKER and as LONG as you PACK sinful flesh YOU will never KEEP the LAW, nor HAVE YOU KEPT THE LAW EVER....

SO....YOU are NOT a HEBREW, YOU ARE A GENTILE who was NEVER under the LAW, HIS name is JESUS and he saves his people from their SINS....NO MATTER how many times you push this DRIVEL, posts walls and walls of LAW KEEPING TEXT it does NOT change the facts on the ground.......

IF YOU want to place yourself UNDER THE LAW I SUGGEST HEBREWS...because YOU are placing yourself under and INFERIOR WAY that proves YOUR GUILT and before you attempt to BLEND FAITH and LAW to remain RIGHTEOUS I suggest GALATIANS...because the cafe BLEND you push = a FALSE, DOUBLE CURSED NON-GOSPEL which has NO POWER to save a flea, much less a MAN and ALL who push such a dogma are DOUBLE CURSED by PAUL under inspiration!

dcon, the sda / Hebrew roots folks have to tie everything to Sinai. that is the center of their belief system. ours is the Cross. so, in a way, though we all confess Christ, we have vastly different theology.

dcontroversal · Apr 5, 2018

gb9 said:

Bro I hear ya......diametrically opposing theologies............and the simple truth.....one is right and one is wrong.........

VCO · Apr 5, 2018

Do you BELIEVE in global warming due to the Ozone Layer? ? ?

I don't, because GOD says it is the RISING MAGMA that it will that will get to the point that it will get to the point of MELTING:

Psalm 75:3 (GWT)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] When the earth and everyone who lives on it begin to melt, I will make its foundations as solid as rock. Selah

Science proven wrong by the BIBLE, once again.

Metternich · Apr 5, 2018

dcontroversal said:

What is your interpretation of Jam 2:14-26
14 What does it profit, my brethren, if a man says he has faith but has not works? Can his faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is ill-clad and in lack of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 So faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead.
18 But some one will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I by my works will show you my faith. 19 You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder. 20 Do you want to be shown, you shallow man, that faith apart from works is barren? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar? 22 You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by works, 23 and the scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness”; and he was called the friend of God. 24 You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone. 25 And in the same way was not also Rahab the harlot justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way? 26 For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so faith apart from works is dead.

eternally-gratefull · Apr 5, 2018

Metternich said:

What is your interpretation of Jam 2:14-26
14 What does it profit, my brethren, if a man says he has faith but has not works? Can his faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is ill-clad and in lack of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 So faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead.
18 But some one will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I by my works will show you my faith. 19 You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder. 20 Do you want to be shown, you shallow man, that faith apart from works is barren? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar? 22 You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by works, 23 and the scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness”; and he was called the friend of God. 24 You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone. 25 And in the same way was not also Rahab the harlot justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way? 26 For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so faith apart from works is dead.

"if a man says he has faith but has not works? Can his faith save him?"

Does that say the man has faith, ever had faith, or anything like it?

mailmandan · Apr 5, 2018

eternally-gratefull said:

If a man says-claims (key word) he has faith but has no works. (James 2:14) What kind of faith is that? Empty profession of faith/dead faith that lacks evidential works.

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