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NoNameMcgee

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You are completely missing the point here my friend. I know what the Bible means, that is not the question here. The point is that when scripture is not printed "exactly" as written, then it is no longer scripture. You are not paying close enough attention to what dc said ( works/deeds ). There is no scripture printed in that exact manner, therefore it is man's words and not scripture. He changed the scripture, making it no longer scripture.
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right :rolleyes:


and i take it you think you will be justified by the works/deeds of the law mr. 93 ?
 
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loyaldisciple

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Actually it would because thou shalt not lie.
If you have any proof that I have lied, then please present it my friend. If not, then you and others are bearing false witness with your accusations.
 

Cee

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Not to mention every Scripture translation is virtually a paraphrase of the original languages. That’s why they are all slightly different.
 

TruthTalk

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Would it matter if I was 73, 83 or 123 ? Makes no difference concerning who is properly presenting the Bible here now does it ?
Adding to what Cee just said, now you are saying you are a "liar", you should seek out a
spiritual counselor, seriously.
 
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loyaldisciple

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right :rolleyes:


and i take it you think you will be justified by the works/deeds of the law mr. 93 ?
Are you justified in your false accusations ? If you have any proof I am not 93, then please present it for the entire forum to see.
 

NoNameMcgee

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If you have any proof that I have lied, then please present it my friend. If not, then you and others are bearing false witness with your accusations.
calm down

he says it "would" if you lied


not it "does" because you lied
 

NoNameMcgee

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Are you justified in your false accusations ? If you have any proof I am not 93, then please present it for the entire forum to see.
i am justified by faith actually

:eek:

having not my own righteousness but Christs imputed to me as a born again believer


that being said

i never said you WEREN'T 93

you just refused to answer my question

are you convicted perhaps?
 
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loyaldisciple

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Not to mention every Scripture translation is virtually a paraphrase of the original languages. That’s why they are all slightly different.
Exactly, what he did is paraphrasing. Can you show me in the Bible where it says it is ok to paraphrase a verse and still call it scripture ? No Bible allows this and his words do not match any versions of the Bible. Therefore his words are not scripture.

REV 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

REV 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

He added unto the book by slightly changing it, making what he said to be his words and not actual scripture.Yes, I am being purposely technical here to prove a point because others have chosen to go down the "technical" road here. But what I say is true. He did change the scripture, making it no longer scripture.
 

NoNameMcgee

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Exactly, what he did is paraphrasing. Can you show me in the Bible where it says it is ok to paraphrase a verse and still call it scripture ? No Bible allows this and his words do not match any versions of the Bible. Therefore his words are not scripture.

REV 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

REV 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

He added unto the book by slightly changing it, making what he said to be his words and not actual scripture.Yes, I am being purposely technical here to prove a point because others have chosen to go down the "technical" road here. But what I say is true. He did change the scripture, making it no longer scripture.
Romans 3:28 ►
Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.

New Living Translation
So we are made right with God through faith and not by obeying the law.

English Standard Version
For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law.

Berean Study Bible
For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.

Berean Literal Bible
Therefore we reckon a man to be justified by faith apart from works of the Law.

New American Standard Bible
For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.

King James Bible
Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Christian Standard Bible
For we conclude that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.

Contemporary English Version
We see that people are acceptable to God because they have faith, and not because they obey the Law.

Good News Translation
For we conclude that a person is put right with God only through faith, and not by doing what the Law commands.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
For we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.

International Standard Version
For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the actions prescribed by the Law.

NET Bible
For we consider that a person is declared righteous by faith apart from the works of the law.

New Heart English Bible
For we maintain that one is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
We determine therefore that by faith a man is made righteous and not by the works of The Written Law.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
We conclude that a person has God's approval by faith, not by his own efforts.

New American Standard 1977
For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.

Jubilee Bible 2000
Therefore, we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

King James 2000 Bible
Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

American King James Version
Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

American Standard Version
We reckon therefore that a man is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.

Douay-Rheims Bible
For we account a man to be justified by faith, without the works of the law.

Darby Bible Translation
for we reckon that a man is justified by faith, without works of law.

English Revised Version
We reckon therefore that a man is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.

Webster's Bible Translation
Therefore we conclude, that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Weymouth New Testament
For we maintain that it is as the result of faith that a man is held to be righteous, apart from actions done in obedience to Law.

World English Bible
We maintain therefore that a man is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.

Young's Literal Translation
therefore do we reckon a man to be declared righteous by faith, apart from works of law.
 
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loyaldisciple

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i am justified by faith actually

:eek:

having not my own righteousness but Christs imputed to me as a born again believer


that being said

i never said you WEREN'T 93

you just refused to answer my question

are you convicted perhaps?
I am not convicted here at all, but I can easily see where others are.
 

Cee

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The Letter kills, but the Spirit is life. Keeping the Spirit of the word is still Scripture. His paraphrase takes the whole of Scripture, not a word for word account. Like I said all interpretations are paraphrase of the original languages. Under your rules, none of us could say Scripture is Scripture unless we shared the exact Greek or Aramaic.
 
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loyaldisciple

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ah....

you can see hearts.....


interesting

so you never answered my question


do you think you will be justified by your works/deeds?
Works ARE important. I will prove this with God's own word later. One issue at a time. First, I am waiting for dc to respond to the words he represented as scripture. I am not allowing for you guys to divert off of that fact, until it is settled. Good day gentlemen.
 

NoNameMcgee

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Works ARE important. I will prove this with God's own word later. One issue at a time. First, I am waiting for dc to respond to the words he represented as scripture. I am not allowing for you guys to divert off of that fact, until it is settled. Good day gentlemen.
who says they arent important

we ought to encourage our brothers and sistets unto every good work


as for the lie that they earn, keep or lose your salvation

in turn making yourself your own savior

that will always be refuted by anyone who knows Gods word
 

TruthTalk

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Works ARE important. I will prove this with God's own word later. One issue at a time. First, I am waiting for dc to respond to the words he represented as scripture. I am not allowing for you guys to divert off of that fact, until it is settled. Good day gentlemen.
First apologize for "smearing", decontroversal good name and his stainless steel reputation.
 

NoNameMcgee

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man will not be justified or saved by works or the law

Galatians 2:16
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

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Romans 3:20-23
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;


it is not YOUR righteousness you will be judged by regarding salvation IF HIS SEED IS IN YOU (you are born again... He has taken root)

(look at my signature)

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who says they arent important

we ought to encourage our brothers and sistets unto every good work


as for the lie that they earn, keep or lose your salvation

in turn making yourself your own savior

that will always be refuted by anyone who knows Gods word
romans 3 28

Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

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romans 4

5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

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Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.


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NoNameMcgee

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everyone

guilty of even 1 sin
is going to hell

this is just


but God is not only just

He is loving
and has an abundance of mercy

when Jesus died on the cross
this was a sacrifice in which
He payed for every sin of the WHOLE world....

so that those who believe on Him can be seen as sinless as He is


those who are born again

are adopted children

every single sin is covered by the blood of Jesus
(all glory goes to Him)

and we who have sinned but been born again

will have the imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ

our Lord and savior

we are justified by His righteousness

Romans 5:19

“For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.”


praise God

:eek:
Matthew 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

The will of the Father

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
These men believe in their "wonderful works" to save them... not Jesus

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Because they have not submitted to His righteousness they will still have the sins they commit to answer for




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will of the Father?

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day
one last post

i hope this isnt too long winded my friend


romans 9

30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.

31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.

32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.


Romans 10
10 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth




may God bless you



here is a bump for you LD
 

dcontroversal

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Well, you guys love to get "technical" and think you have someone in a corner, but it is you that have backed yourselves into a corner. let us go back just a few pages to prove just who has placed themselves into a corner. Now, dc stated the above words he posted were "scripture". That is what he said it is "scripture". Now for something to be "scripture", then it must be "exact scripture". One cannot add words/symbols, delete, nor change anything in any way for it to be scripture. You cannot show me one single version of the Bible that is printed "exactly" as shown above. Not one. There is no BIBLE written as "works/deeds", not one single version is presented exactly as that. Therefore, what you wrote is NOT any scripture. Rather it is a summation of scripture. For you to claim it IS "scripture" is to place yourself into judgment according to the verse below because it is NOT exact scripture.

REV 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

REV 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

What you wrote WAS NOT scripture, but your own summation, precisely as I said before. So, there is the first mistake you made in claiming it was scripture. Now, are you going to admit that what you wrote is NOT any exact scripture ? OR are you going to deny that mistake ?
The only corner I am in is the corner Jesus stands in....too bad you cannot accept the plain truth...

Therefore, we CONCLUDE a man is JUSTIFIED by faith WITHOUT the deeds of the LAW......

Wake up to the truth