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JohnTalmid

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Sometimes we might mock people,or speak inappropriately,but I find that the people that do it the most,and the most vicious,is people that believe they cannot abstain from sin,and sin does not affect their relationship with God,for they seem to be worldly,and speak according to the flesh a lot,and get the most short with people,might call them names.
Why you couldn't cast out that demon? Because this one required fasting from SIN.
 
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Sometimes we might mock people,or speak inappropriately,but I find that the people that do it the most,and the most vicious,is people that believe they cannot abstain from sin,and sin does not affect their relationship with God,for they seem to be worldly,and speak according to the flesh a lot,and get the most short with people,might call them names.
Of course you do....and I find that those who are self righteous like to exhibit Pharisee type judgments and attribute motives not found.....such as the bolded above in your quote.

MATT, how many times are you going to falsely accuse people of this....? WHILE making yourself out to be the sinless, perfect believer always doing what is right?
 
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Thanks for reminding me of why I keep you on ignore.....serious
I find your response depressing. Your son. How do you say you will return from Australia?
I am sure no cheque is involved, but promises yes and a good heart.

Would you rather I was cold and unfeeling with an empty heart and just a legalistic mind?
If Jesus promises something I can bind him to it. I heard a preacher suggest God had to
ask permission to enter earth which is why we pray. I wonder if you are close to these
concepts?
 

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Your not my conscience nor my pastor or spiritual leader....so.......go bark up someone else's tree pal! AND you ASSUME much......
[h=1]Ephesians 4:29English Standard Version (ESV)[/h]29 Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear.



 

JohnTalmid

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Of course you do....and I find that those who are self righteous like to exhibit Pharisee type judgments and attribute motives not found.....such as the bolded above in your quote.


MATT, how many times are you going to falsely accuse people of this....? WHILE making yourself out to be the sinless, perfect believer always doing what is right?
How long are you going to be blind.

Everyone here knows their religiousness is nothing more than filthy rags. It is what we say that offends you. If you go against the law it is still a sin! The way you rebel against this fact of scripture proves your living In rebellion against Messiah. You don't see it and may never see it. I came from "faith" only denominations and know now where I fell short. I fell short by not continued love of God and His ways which are only mysterious to those who don't seek them.

If you're condemned DC it is your heart that does so because none came through Messiah...
 
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I find your response depressing. Your son. How do you say you will return from Australia?
I am sure no cheque is involved, but promises yes and a good heart.

Would you rather I was cold and unfeeling with an empty heart and just a legalistic mind?
If Jesus promises something I can bind him to it. I heard a preacher suggest God had to
ask permission to enter earth which is why we pray. I wonder if you are close to these
concepts?
Peter, I would rather you be honest with what most say.......there is no conspiracy against you...many have addressed you only to be frustrated because you embellish, twist what is said, say we say things we do not say and most have no clue what you espouse and or believe because you seem to push this perfectionist, sinless holier than thou attitude (perceived) by many.......

and this is for all....there is no dialogue between those who work for it (impossible) and those who point to Jesus and grace...Why is that....because JUST LIKE MATT....they automatically say we believe in sin, wicked lifestyles blah blah blah.....we get accused of things we do not believe and or teach...and then we defend what we believe and Katie bar the door....
 

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Who said I yelled and you judged what I said by your quote....so...again....YOU ASSUME much.....
For who knows a person's thoughts except their own spirit within them?......(1 Cor. 2:11). So, your comments, was you showing me grace and building me up?
 
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How long are you going to be blind.

Everyone here knows their religiousness is nothing more than filthy rags. It is what we say that offends you. If you go against the law it is still a sin! The way you rebel against this fact of scripture proves your living In rebellion against Messiah. You don't see it and may never see it. I came from "faith" only denominations and know now where I fell short. I fell short by not continued love of God and His ways which are only mysterious to those who don't seek them.

If you're condemned DC it is your heart that does so because none came through Messiah...
BLAH BLAH BLAH..I am not condemned by anyone except people like you who claim your Pharisee type religion pal.....go keep your law and see how far it really take you...Galatians 1 and 3 fit you well man....

a gospel of a different kind, double cursed and no power......will you be in that number that boasts of your works before JESUS?

ALL glory to GOD......!
 
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Well, at least you try really hard to sound coherent. Or something. Maybe you're trying to sound poetic. Or super spiritual. Otr you think you're impressing someone. It is super something in your effort but in the end it is incoherent.
I am not trying, I am reacting. To equate my Lord to a cheque, I do not like, because money is
so cold and ruins so much. I have seen hurt people built on world of failed promises, it is a sad
place. Walk like Jesus but no power. People like you with boxes and labels, to tell who are evil
and who are not. You get stuff so wrong what is the value you bring?
 

JohnTalmid

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BLAH BLAH BLAH..I am not condemned by anyone except people like you who claim your Pharisee type religion pal.....go keep your law and see how far it really take you...Galatians 1 and 3 fit you well man....

a gospel of a different kind, double cursed and no power......will you be in that number that boasts of your works before JESUS?

ALL glory to GOD......!
No. I boast in Messiah's works in me and through me and others. I'm sorry you can't see that DC. I didn't condemn you DC. Can you please show me where I have so I may try and fix it?
 
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For who knows a person's thoughts except their own spirit within them?......(1 Cor. 2:11). So, your comments, was you showing me grace and building me up?

Blind leaders of the blind.....

White washed coffins filled with the bones of dead men...

A generation of vipers....

Sometimes when addressing those who manipulate and twist grace into a pseudo religion that takes to hell the words cut.....

There is a time to tear down and a time to build up.....
 

preacher4truth

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I heard a preacher suggest God had to ask permission to enter earth which is why we pray. I wonder if you are close to these concepts?
Gotta love these false accusations intended to draw one into a quarrel. Must be a boring life when one needs to draw a quarrel out of several in order to have a full day.
 

JohnTalmid

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Blind leaders of the blind.....

White washed coffins filled with the bones of dead men...

A generation of vipers....

Sometimes when addressing those who manipulate and twist grace into a pseudo religion that takes to hell the words cut.....

There is a time to tear down and a time to build up.....
Do not rebuke mockers or they will hate you; rebuke the wise and they will love you.

Instruct the wise and they will be wiser still; teach the righteous and they will add to their learning.

The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding
 

slave

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BLAH BLAH BLAH..I am not condemned by anyone except people like you who claim your Pharisee type religion pal.....go keep your law and see how far it really take you...Galatians 1 and 3 fit you well man....

a gospel of a different kind, double cursed and no power......will you be in that number that boasts of your works before JESUS?

ALL glory to GOD......!
[h=3]Ephesians 4:31 ESV / [/h]Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice.




 
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Peter, I would rather you be honest with what most say.......there is no conspiracy against you...many have addressed you only to be frustrated because you embellish, twist what is said, say we say things we do not say and most have no clue what you espouse and or believe because you seem to push this perfectionist, sinless holier than thou attitude (perceived) by many.......

and this is for all....there is no dialogue between those who work for it (impossible) and those who point to Jesus and grace...Why is that....because JUST LIKE MATT....they automatically say we believe in sin, wicked lifestyles blah blah blah.....we get accused of things we do not believe and or teach...and then we defend what we believe and Katie bar the door....
You talk about me as a work salvationist, when what you hate is non Osas.
You derive I must justify value from this so deny my beliefs. Are you able to accept
I believe like you except on this one point and it does not matter?

You seem to condemn me, and then deny it. So where is your honesty?

My question is if sin cannot and is not defeated, what is the point of faith but believing
God is blind? So sin is never resolved. Scripture is surprising about success but you seem
blind to it?
 

slave

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Blind leaders of the blind.....

White washed coffins filled with the bones of dead men...

A generation of vipers....

Sometimes when addressing those who manipulate and twist grace into a pseudo religion that takes to hell the words cut.....

There is a time to tear down and a time to build up.....

Revelations 22:11: New International Version
Let the one who does wrong continue to do wrong; let the vile person continue to be vile; let the one who does right continue to do right; and let the holy person continue to be holy."

 

slave

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Blind leaders of the blind.....

White washed coffins filled with the bones of dead men...

A generation of vipers....

Sometimes when addressing those who manipulate and twist grace into a pseudo religion that takes to hell the words cut.....

There is a time to tear down and a time to build up.....
Mark 2:8

Immediately Jesus, aware in His spirit that they were reasoning that way within themselves, said to them, "Why are you reasoning about these things in your hearts?
 
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Blind leaders of the blind.....

White washed coffins filled with the bones of dead men...

A generation of vipers....

Sometimes when addressing those who manipulate and twist grace into a pseudo religion that takes to hell the words cut.....

There is a time to tear down and a time to build up.....
You appear to have a heart for your son.
Jesus was talking to men with dead hearts.

Are you saying I have a dead heart? I know you do not, but the stuff you post
is too strong!!! Where is your grace and love? Imagine all these guys are like
your son, would you speak like this then?
 
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Ariel82

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No. I boast in Messiah's works in me and through me and others. I'm sorry you can't see that DC. I didn't condemn you DC. Can you please show me where I have so I may try and fix it?
Everyone here knows their religiousness is nothing more than filthy rags.
Wish that was true, but it's not. Many believe their filthy rags save them and that is what Dcon, vehemently opposed with this thread,

I came from "faith" only denominations and know now where I fell short. I fell short by not continued love of God and His ways which are only mysterious to those who don't seek them.
Maybe you fell into the sin of licentiousness, but I believe in the fact it is "faith only" in the finished work of Christ that allows us to be children of God. The fruit of salvation is good works but is NOT the cause or the thing that maintains our status as GOD'S children.

Therefore your experience does not mean the churches you went to had it wrong, but that they may have not lived what they preached like the Pharisees or you may not have learnt what was truly being preached.
 

slave

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Your not my conscience nor my pastor or spiritual leader....so.......go bark up someone else's tree pal! AND you ASSUME much......
2 Timothy 3:16: New International Version (NIV)

16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,