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NoNameMcgee

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if you ask me
the decived luke warm christians are going to be

people who thought they earned it, self righteous
and
people who lived in sin and no new heart, admittedly wicked


cmon guys if we are to be of 1 mind

why can all of us who understand God is good
and sin is bad
and Jesus saves


agree on this
 
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PeterJens said:
"fool themselves"

So one group have decided this other group are fooling themselves.
This might be true but you have to honestly declare what you believe and why, and then
suggest why others have got it wrong.

Now I have tried to do this time and again to define different belief structures and reasons
and the response has been, I am insulting, slandering, lying, being evil, of satan, sending people
to hell.

Now any group who dislike their beliefs being properly defined and put down, are not being honest
with themselves.

I have declared simply time and again what I believe and why, where I stand on each point as far
as I can work it through, yet I am told I am unclear, people are confused, I distort and twist things.

So the response to truth and openness is personal attacks without respect. Long term this approach
will die and destroy the people who hold it. A fool is someone who does not listen to Christ.

Christ is very specific. Listen to my words, put them into practice and you are a wise man.

"sick of seeing folks fool themselves"

Build you house upon the rock, obey Christ and put into effect His commands.
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AMEN. Proverbs 18:2-4,6-7 A fool finds no pleasure in understanding but delights in airing his own opinions. When wickedness comes, so does contempt, and with shame comes disgrace. The words of a man’s mouth are deep waters, but the fountain of wisdom is a bubbling brook. A fool’s lips bring him strife, and his mouth invites a beating. A fool’s mouth is his undoing, and his lips are a snare to his soul.

Proverbs 11:12 A man who lacks judgment derides his neighbor, but a man of understanding holds his tongue.
 
PeterJens

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mj007 said:
"you are wrong (I am right)"
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My heart agrees with this.
I desire to find the truth. Whether I speak it or the person next to me does, I do not
care. Pride wants the best thing to be put forward and especially if it is linked to oneself.

The truth though must be spoken, but when spoken most hate it and actually want to
attack one. There has to be some spiritual relationship between these ideas.

I find it odd if we quote the sermon the mount, some will be convicted about it, and then
claim this conviction is of the devil, so we must be also. The correct response is praise
the Lord, I know what to do now.

It is also amusing the accusation of pride. There is nothing proud to say we are servants
of the king walking in His ways. His ways are ways of service and care, reaching out and
meeting need. Rather it is said as an encouragement to others, because we know the enemies
number one issue is to discourage walking in the way. It you want to know what is opposing Gods
word, ask who is criticising walking in Jesus's commands and who is defending sinful behaviour rather
than encouraging repentance, confession and faith in the cross. This is the true spiritual war.
 
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mj007

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Yes the truth is very simple. And yet when we are arguing or building walls, whatever truth we think we might be saying becomes pointless because we stated it with self-righteousness, and not love.

NoNameMcgee said:
if you ask me
the decived luke warm christians are going to be

people who thought they earned it, self righteous
and
people who lived in sin and no new heart, admittedly wicked


cmon guys if we are to be of 1 mind

why can all of us who understand God is good
and sin is bad
and Jesus saves


agree on this
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Ariel82

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mj007 said:
There are a few of these robots here. You never really hear much 'love' come out of them. However their expression of what I think to them is love, is 'you are wrong'. They intend to dispirit or defile you. Remember Peter, you are not allowed to have your own opinion, you are supposed to believe that they are the truth, the way and the life. Somehow they replace Jesus with themselves as being right about everything?

What I always think and remember is that, God is Love, and that we should love our neighbours as we love ourself. Maybe we need to help inspire them to love themselves, because, that is why they need a target to reflect their pain on to. We must forgive them for they know not what they do.

When people go through bad experiences they become an open channel for demons, and if they succumb, they quite often don't notice it and think that who and how they are, is, who they are. But it is quite simple, who we are is supposed to be loving to others. They must remember who they were born as and compare it to how they are now.
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So speak plainly...

You have decided some folks are robots, seek to replace Jesus in others lives and if someone simply states you don't agree with you or Peter, it's an attempt to dispirit or defile you?

Oh don't forget, that folks are also channeling demons?

Maybe this post is just a "mirror" to reflect your pain onto?

Do you really think anyone on this thread truly hates PeterJens?

Maybe folks are attempting to do this: "therefore love must be our intention in all things, even if it is to strip the outer ego in others that they may be free from bondage, and in their vulnerability be able to perceive grace better. "

Except the bondage isn't replaced with "I am right" , but let all be judged sinners and WRONG and Let God's truth stand alone.
 
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gb9

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just so everyone knows- mr.j and peterjens are the same person.
 
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Ariel82

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NoNameMcgee said:
if you ask me
the decived luke warm christians are going to be

people who thought they earned it, self righteous
and
people who lived in sin and no new heart, admittedly wicked


cmon guys if we are to be of 1 mind

why can all of us who understand God is good
and sin is bad
and Jesus saves


agree on this
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Because some people make it about them and their hurt feelings instead of the basic truths God tells us in the Bible.
 
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Ariel82 said:
Sounds like you are still falsely accusing people.
No Jesus does more than "like" people. he loves us and died for us.
"The free pass theology"?
What a load of.....bovine feces.
To,be Born again means your,heart and mind are changed and confirmed into God's will and His love. Thus you are empowered to walk in His ways and have the divine blessed assurance of being accepted by God because Jesus blood allows you to be seen as righteous. His Spirit allows you to live godly lives.
If you want to label that "free pass theology" and condemn it, let it be upon your head.
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Ariel - Now you put words into a summary statement that had no definition or clarity.
A free pass theology is I have a pass, I get in free. It assumes nothing else changes, easy believism,
your behaviour stays the same, you just say the right words.

And I say it sounds like, meaning you are coming across to me this way.
dc comes all guns blazing, but I should just accept this because he loves me.
Now in truth we ariel, you and I, believe the same theology, yet you jump on my case all the time.

And just like now, when I show how you appear, you jump on me as if I am not
pointing out the guys you run with are not like this.

For instance knowing Gods will is not enough, doing Gods will is.
"your will be done, one earth as it is in heaven."

And woe betide me pointing out anything, lol, knock him out the block and
say it is on his head ;)
 
mailmandan

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PeterJens said:
The demons know Jesus, they are not going to heaven.
And Jesus does not just like people, so their card is guaranteed.

Sounds like you have bought into get a free pass theology.
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The demons believe "mental assent" that "there is one God" (James 2:19); but they do not have an intimate relationship with Jesus (John 17:3). The demons do not believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and are not saved (Acts 16:31).
 
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mj007

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Yes we put things forward, share opinions, give our own impressions on the translation of truth, and people can take from it the good or things that they agree with. But there are those that want to find the bad in it. And when they do, they bring chaos to things because everyone becomes focused on argument and not love.

It becomes like the House of Commons, rather than an open discussion between like minded people. And the likemindedness is that we all believe in Jesus, and isn't that the most important thing? If we can teach each other something, from anything we say, then good. We are allowed to be individual and unique. "None of us are the same" What's the point in going around telling people they are wrong.

We can give an opinion on what each other says. For example. You might say 'grass is green' and someone says 'you are wrong, grass is yellow' - matter of fact. Instead they can say 'well my opinion is that grass is yellow'. There is a big difference. People don't have to start things with 'you are wrong'. There are some people who really make an effort and dissect what people say and write 'you are wrong' for each line they are dissecting! I mean what is the intention of this person, is it love, or is it self-righteousness? It is clear to see.

PeterJens said:
My heart agrees with this.
I desire to find the truth. Whether I speak it or the person next to me does, I do not
care. Pride wants the best thing to be put forward and especially if it is linked to oneself.

The truth though must be spoken, but when spoken most hate it and actually want to
attack one. There has to be some spiritual relationship between these ideas.

I find it odd if we quote the sermon the mount, some will be convicted about it, and then
claim this conviction is of the devil, so we must be also. The correct response is praise
the Lord, I know what to do now.

It is also amusing the accusation of pride. There is nothing proud to say we are servants
of the king walking in His ways. His ways are ways of service and care, reaching out and
meeting need. Rather it is said as an encouragement to others, because we know the enemies
number one issue is to discourage walking in the way. It you want to know what is opposing Gods
word, ask who is criticising walking in Jesus's commands and who is defending sinful behaviour rather
than encouraging repentance, confession and faith in the cross. This is the true spiritual war.
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mj007

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May I ask about your intimate relationship with Jesus? Well, in the sense of how does it affect how you are in these forums for example? :)

mailmandan said:
The demons believe "mental assent" that "there is one God" (James 2:19); but they do not have an intimate relationship with Jesus (John 17:3). The demons do not believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and are not saved (Acts 16:31).
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mj007

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mailmandan said:
I'm not a bad guy. I'm just misunderstood.

Galatians 6:14 - But God forbid that I should boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.
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I have to agree I don't really understand you, and that is the reason for my last question. I want to understand you better, but you have to open up just a little. :)
 
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Ariel82

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What we don't share PeterJens is your bad habit of falsely assuming you know what others believe and their inner motives.

No one is preaching AGAINST godly living.

THE THREAD IS ABOUT HOW SALVATION CAN ONLY BE OBTAINED BY FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS AND HIS FINISHED WIRKS ALONE.

Works are the fruit of salvation NOT the CAUSE!

That is the PURPOSE of this thread.


YET you make it ABOUT you and your hurt feelings and to accuse people of telling you not to live a godly life...all which are lies.....no one hates you. No one wants to keep you from living a godly life.

They all love you enough to tell you that your works will not save you or allow you to "keep" your salvation for its is a GIFT given and bought by the Blood of the Lamb,

If you don't see their love in trying to talk to you and make sure you have the TRUE gospel ,its because you aren't really listening or praying about it.

If you agree that is the true Gospel, why not just praise God and move forward?
 
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mj007

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You come across somewhat angry? Just saying...

Here's a thought, why don't you say what you love about PeterJens, I mean keep it positive, kind of thing? :)

Ariel82 said:
What we don't share PeterJens is your bad habit of falsely assuming you know what others believe and their inner motives.

No one is preaching AGAINST godly living.

THE THREAD IS ABOUT HOW SALVATION CAN ONLY BE OBTAINED BY FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS AND HIS FINISHED WIRKS ALONE.

Works are the fruit of salvation NOT the CAUSE!

That is the PURPOSE of this thread.


YET you make it ABOUT you and your hurt feelings and to,apeople tell you not to live a godlylife...all which are lies.....no one hates you. No one wants to keep you from living a godly life.

They all love you enough to tell you that your works will not save you or allow you to "keep" your salvation for its is a GIFT given and bought by the Blood of the Lamb,

If you don't see their love I'm trying to talk to you and make sure you have the TRUE gospel ,its because you aren't really listening or praying about it.
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PeterJens

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just so everyone knows- mr.j and peterjens are the same person.

I am one ID, you would know from my grammar, bad spelling and general things
I express who I am. I could not hide this if I tried, or is there any benefit in this.

What matters to me is ideas. I have come a long way of the last 2 years, and
learnt a lot. And mainly this is about how people change, and how to help people
realise who Christ is in their lives, and how to draw on Him and let Him into their
hearts and deal with all the junk inside they have locked away and closed down.

The irony is, the clearer you are inside, the more those who have issues get concerned
and disturbed, because all the words and freedoms express something they do not
have, but they do not know why. Gods light can never be extinguished, it just
burns brighter, Amen, Praise the Lord.
 
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mj007

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Well all you have to do Ariel82 is try and not make it about your hurt feelings. It really is simple. I mean if you are the one saying it, listen to yourself. Peace

Ariel82 said:
Because some people make it about them and their hurt feelings instead of the basic truths God tells us in the Bible.
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mj007

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Are you also Mr. PJ? :p

PeterJens said:
just so everyone knows- mr.j and peterjens are the same person.

I am one ID, you would know from my grammar, bad spelling and general things
I express who I am. I could not hide this if I tried, or is there any benefit in this.

What matters to me is ideas. I have come a long way of the last 2 years, and
learnt a lot. And mainly this is about how people change, and how to help people
realise who Christ is in their lives, and how to draw on Him and let Him into their
hearts and deal with all the junk inside they have locked away and closed down.

The irony is, the clearer you are inside, the more those who have issues get concerned
and disturbed, because all the words and freedoms express something they do not
have, but they do not know why. Gods light can never be extinguished, it just
burns brighter, Amen, Praise the Lord.
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Ariel82

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mj007 said:
Well all you have to do Ariel82 is try and not make it about your hurt feelings. It really is simple. I mean if you are the one saying it, listen to yourself. Peace
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Yeah discussion involves stating what you agree with and what you disagree with.

You can't always "agree" and have a conversation.

In the end it's pointless unless both seek what God says and agree with That Truth and be willing to give up our own misconceptions.
 
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mj007

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Yes but we can put it across politely. There really is a difference. We put things across politely when our 'intention' is to share opinions or views, in agreement or disagreement. :)

Ariel82 said:
Yeah discussion involves stating what you agree with and what you disagree with.

You can't always "agree" and have a conversation.

In the end it's pointless unless both seek what God says and agree with That Truth and be willing to give up our own misconceptions.
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