Not By Works

[Seohce]

OSAS AND FAS ARE FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINES THAT PROMOTES DISOBEDIENCE TO GOD AND REJECTS AND NULLIFIES GOD'S WORDS AND COMMANDS. (mark 7:6-13, Isaiah 5:20-24)



SO DO NOT LET ANYONE DECEIVE YOU...FOR THE WRATH OF GOD COMES ON THOSE WHO ARE DISOBEDIENT.(Ephesians 5:6)



OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST WHO IS THE SOURCE OF ETERNAL LIFE FOR THOSE WHO OBEY HIM (Hebrews 5:8-9) SAID:



Revelation 3:1-3 To the Church in Sardis “To the angel of the church in Sardis write: These are the words of him who holds the seven spirits of God and the seven stars. I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead. Wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I HAVE NOT FOUND YOUR DEEDS COMPLETE in the sight of my God. Remember, therefore, what you have RECEIVED and HEARD ; OBEY IT and REPENT. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you.



JESUS HAVE NOT FOUND THEIR DEEDS "COMPLETE" IN THE EYES OF GOD.



THEN HE TOLD THEM TO "OBEY" WHAT THEY RECEIVED AND HEARD AND TO REPENT.



JESUS WAS SPEAKING HERE TO ONE OF THE SEVEN CHURCHES AND WE KNOW THAT THE "CHURCH" IS THE BODY OF CHRIST WHOM HE WILL SAVE. (eph 5:23)



WHY WILL HE SAY THAT THEIR DEEDS ARE NOT COMPLETE IF WORKS ARE NOT NECESSARY FOR SALVATION AND THAT "FAITH ALONE" SAVES?



WHY WOULD JESUS COMMAND THEM TO OBEY AND REPENT IF IT
IS NO LONGER NECESSARY SINCE THEY ARE SAVED ETERNALLY? (OSAS)



IS JESUS IGNORANT OF THIS DOCTRINE OR IS IT CONTRARY TO HIS TEACHINGS AND COMMANDS AND THEREFORE ARE JUST FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINE THAT NULLIFIES GOD'S WORDS?



JESUS AND HIS FATHER REQUIRE SOME WORKS TO BE COMPLETED AND ASKED FOR OBEDIENCE AND REPENTANCE.



Romans 8:4 in order that the righteous REQUIREMENTS of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit.



Malachi 3:14 “You have said, ‘It is futile to serve God. What did we gain by CARRYING OUT HIS REQUIREMENTS and going about like mourners before the Lord Almighty?



GOD REQUIRES OBEDIENCE AND REPENTANCE IN OUR PART OTHERWISE HIS WRATH WILL COME ON THOSE WHO ARE "DISOBEDIENT".(eph 5:6 )



Luke 6:46 “Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?



John 14:15 “If you love me, you will obey what I command.



2 John 1:6 And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love.



DO NOT BE DECEIVED... GOD CANNOT BE MOCKED...WE REAP WHAT WE SOW...(Galatians 6:7-10)



NOW IF FAITH ALONE SAVES AND ONCE SAVED, YOU ARE ALWAYS SAVED, DOES THIS PASSAGE BELOW CONTRADICT THESE FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINE OR DO YOU REJECT IT OR TWIST IT TO MEAN SOMETHING ELSE THAT WOULD FIT YOUR DOCTRINE?



Matthew 24:9-14 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. At that time MANY WILL TURN AWAY FROM THE FAITH and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, THE LOVE OF MOST WILL GROW COLD, but HE WHO STANDS FIRM TO THE END WILL BE SAVED . And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.



MANY WHO HAS FAITH WILL TURN AWAY FROM THEIR FAITH.



ARE THEY STILL SAVED AFTER TURNING AWAY FROM THEIR FAITH(ALONE)?



DO YOU MOCK GOD AND REJECT THESE VERSES BELOW?



Galatians 6:7-10 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature WILL REAP DESTRUCTION; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit WILL REAP ETERNAL LIFE. Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up. Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers.



James 2:26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD..

"LET GOD BE TRUE..." (Romans 3:3-4)

 

[VCO]

THAT IS NOT MY POST! Either it is a HICKUP in the Program, or heaveN forbid, that someone is impersonating ME.

YEP, another old age TYPO. But it made me think, about my FAVORITE Christian Symbols, which show up on my screen, but may not on some PCs:

<><.🕆.><>

IS EVERYONE SEEING A RED CROSS IN THE MIDDLE?

That is a Wingdings Font, and since those Fonts do not work anymore, I fond a suite that has made a duplicate of fonts, and Wingdings, and Wingdings 2, and Wingdings 3, and Webdings are mostly usable. Here is the Webpage: http://www.alanwood.net/demos/wingdings.html

Scroll down about a 1/4 of the way thru, and you will see the black Cross that I used, THEN, you want to COPY the Icon in the 4th Column, then all you have to do is paste it, resize it because it will be too small, then if you want just color it.

How about this as a "I BELIEVE IN THE RAPTURE" Symbol: ⇪
That is a Wingdings 3 Font.
This is a Webdings Font only, Let me know if it all comes thru on your PC. 🕊

 

[preacher4truth]

I see the self saved Cainologists still cannot comprehend the fact that sanctification is dual in usage.....as in positional and daily life.......

"Cainoloists" LOL!

 

[TruthTalk]

I see the self saved Cainologists still cannot comprehend the fact that sanctification is dual in usage.....as in positional and daily life.......

Yes and from Genesis to Revelations God saves His people from their sins "By grace through faith." The self-righteous, save yourself bunch, should take a lesson from Cain, your precious good works will not save you;
only faith in the blood sacrifice of Jesus Christ can save.

It has always been by grace we are save through faith, a hard lesson for the self-righteous.

 

[Seohce]

19Go ye therefore, and TEACH ALL NATIONS, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 TEACHING THEM TO OBSERVE ALL THINGS WHATSOEVER I HAVE COMMANDED YOU: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.


OUR LORD JESUS BEFORE GOING BACK TO THE FATHER INSTRUCTED HIS DISCIPLES TO TEACH OBEDIENCE UNTO ALL NATIONS.


IF ANYONE WOULD TEACH THAT OBEDIENCE TO GOD’S WORD, TEACHINGS, LAWS AND COMMANDS, IS NOT NECESSARY OR PART OF SALVATION, DOES HE NOT TEACH CONTRARY TO THE LORD’S TEACHINGS?


WHEN THE LORD SAID THAT “IF YOU WANT TO ENTER LIFE, OBEY THE COMMANDMENTS”, AND SOMEONE ELSE WOULD SAY THAT OBEDIENCE TO GOD WILL NOT SAVE ANYONE BECAUSE “FAITH ALONE SAVES”. IS IT NOT A CLEAR REJECTION, NULLIFICATION, DISRESPECT, DISOBEDIENCE, UNBELIEF AND MOCKERY OF GOD’S WORD?


15Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. 16They profess that they know God; BUT IN WORKS THEY DENY HIM, being ABOMINABLE, and DISOBEDIENT and unto every good work REPROBATE.


4For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, TURNING THE GRACE OF OUR GOD INTO (A LICENSE FOR) LASCIVIOUSNESS, and DENYING the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.


...Teaching for doctrines the commandments of men….Full well ye reject the commandment of God... making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.(mark 7:6-13)


...because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.(isaiah 5:20-24)


...Be not deceived; GÒD IS NOT MOCKED: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. 8For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. 9And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not. 10As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.(galatians 6:7-10)


32who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are WORTHY OF DEATH, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.


6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things COMETH THE WRATH OF .GOD ÙPON THE CHILDREN OF DISOBEDIENCE


MAN GOT SEPARATED FROM GOD BECAUSE OF THE SIN OF DISOBEDIENCE WHEN MAN WAS DECEIVED BY THE SERPENT WHO SAID THAT “...Ye shall not surely die.”(genesis 3:4)


DÈCEIVERS OF THIS AGE SAYS THE SAME THING;


“YE SHALL NOT SURELY DIE (PERIßH / BE CONDEMNED). ONCE YOU'RE SAVED, YOU ARE ALWAYS ßAVED. JUST HAVE FAITH VOID OF WORKS (OF RIGHTEOUSNESS / ÒBEDIENCE) AND YOU WILL POSSESS ETERNAL LIFE THE MOMENT YOU BELIEVE.



IS IT NOT APPOINTED FOR MEN TO DIE ONCE AND FACE JUDGMENT AFTER? (hebrews 9:27-28)


11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12And I saw THE DEAD, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And WHOSOEVER WAS NOT FOÙND WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE WAS CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.


“FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD”


JESUS HAS NOT FOUND YOUR WORKS COMPLETE IN THE SIGHT OF GOD. REMEMBER THEREFORE WHÀT YOU HEARD AND RECEIVED. OBEY IT, AND REPENT.(revelations 3:1-6)



47And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. 48HE THAT REJECTETH ME, and RECEIVETH NOT MY WORDS, hath one that judgeth him: THE WORD THAT I HAVE SPOKEN, THE SAME SHALL. JUDGE HIM IN THE LAST DAY. 49For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50And I KNOW THAT HIS COMMANDMENT IS LIFE EVERLASTING: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

• 

 

[TruthTalk]

Who can save the sinner, God Can

 

[mailmandan]

m...,

I don't ...I rely on scripture.

I rarely even see you quote scripture.

Do you need me to post scripture requiring baptism?

I've already seen all the scriptures that works-salvationists (including Roman Catholics and Mormons) quote in order try and prove that water baptism is necessary for salvation, but to no avail. There are a handful of verses in the Bible that works salvationists try to use as proof texts to prove that water baptism is absolutely necessary for salvation (Mark 16:16; John 3:5; Acts 2:38; 22:16; 1 Peter 3:21), yet a careful examination of each of these texts in context will show that none of them prove that baptism is absolutely required for salvation, though they do prove that baptism was an assumed initiatory response to the gospel of salvation. In other words, these texts prove only that baptism is regularly associated with conversion and salvation, rather than absolutely required for salvation.

Human logic..... to make what point? I remind you that the...no baptism required thinking....was not made of record in writings, speakings and the like , of significance, prior to the 1960's. Why? It is a new age religion thing making scripture confusing to some.

More faulty human logic and NO SCRIPTURE.

 

[dcontroversal]

I rarely even see you quote scripture.

I've already seen all the scriptures that works-salvationists (including Roman Catholics and Mormons) quote in order try and prove that water baptism is necessary for salvation, but to no avail. There are a handful of verses in the Bible that works salvationists try to use as proof texts to prove that water baptism is absolutely necessary for salvation (Mark 16:16; John 3:5; Acts 2:38; 22:16; 1 Peter 3:21), yet a careful examination of each of these texts in context will show that none of them prove that baptism is absolutely required for salvation, though they do prove that baptism was an assumed initiatory response to the gospel of salvation. In other words, these texts prove only that baptism is regularly associated with conversion and salvation, rather than absolutely required for salvation.

More faulty human logic and NO SCRIPTURE.

Amen......immersion is nothing but a picture or painting of what has taken place inwardly by faith, the first WORK OF RIGHTEOUSNESS and Act of Obedience....it has ZERO AFFECT ON THE Salvation one already possesses eternally by faith, it does not top off salvation, it does not embellish salvation, it does not finish salvation, it does not save, it does not keep saved........

It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that BELIEVE

No water required....!!

 

[TruthTalk]

I see the self saved Cainologists still cannot comprehend the fact that sanctification is dual in usage....."as in positional and daily life".......

Hi Decon, and thanks for posting this truth. It gets wearisome to hear some people say that Salvation is a process. The moment a believer is born again we are pronounced "positionally" "Justified." We are reconciled to God and He now see's us as a Child of God, born again with a heavenly birth and the enmity between God and man has been taken away.

Growing and becoming mature in Christ "is a process", a life long pursuit. It is our daily life with Jesus and our being sanctified daily and being set apart for the work of the ministry,

Our "Position" in Christ is "Justified", not guilty. Our "Practice" in Christ is a life long pursuit of growing and maturing in Christ. God no longer see's us as an enemy but as son's and daughter's. To mix our "position in Christ", with our "practice in Christ" is confusing and not supported by scripture. We are saved "unto" good works, "not by" our good works

Ephesians2:10
For we are God's handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

Colossians2:6-7
6 Therefore, as you received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in him, 7 rooted and built up in him and established in the faith, just as you were taught, abounding in thanksgiving.

 

[BillG]

Hi Decon, and thanks for posting this truth. It gets wearisome to hear some people say that Salvation is a process. The moment a believer is born again we are pronounced "positionally" "Justified." We are reconciled to God and He now see's us as a Child of God, born again with a heavenly birth and the enmity between God and man has been taken away.

Growing and becoming mature in Christ "is a process", a life long pursuit. It is our daily life with Jesus and our being sanctified daily and being set apart for the work of the ministry,

Our "Position" in Christ is "Justified", not guilty. Our "Practice" in Christ is a life long pursuit of growing and maturing in Christ. God no longer see's us as an enemy but as son's and daughter's. To mix our "position in Christ", with our "practice in Christ" is confusing and not supported by scripture. We are saved "unto" good works, "not by" our good works

Ephesians2:10
For we are God's handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

Colossians2:6-7
6 Therefore, as you received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in him, 7 rooted and built up in him and established in the faith, just as you were taught, abounding in thanksgiving.

Romans 5:1-5

Faith Triumphs in Trouble
1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. 3 And not only that, but we also glory in tribulations, knowing that tribulation produces perseverance; 4 and perseverance, character; and character, hope. 5 Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

5:1 Peace here is not a subjective feeling of peace. Rather, this peace is the state of being at peace instead of at war. The hostility between God and the believer has ceased. The believer has been reconciled to God.


5:1: we have peace: In many manuscripts, the underlying Greek verb is indicative, as translated here. A number of other manuscripts use the subjunctive instead (let us have peace). • Peace with God does not refer to a mere feeling of peacefulness but to a real situation of peace. It is the end of hostilities between God and sinful human beings when they believe in Jesus Christ and the state of blessing and salvation that God promised his people in the end (see Isa 9:6-7; 52:7; Ezek 34:25; Nah 1:15).
5:1: hpistis (4102) Rom 10:17
5:1: ieirēnē (1515) Rom 8:6

 

[TruthTalk]

Romans 5:1-5

Faith Triumphs in Trouble
1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. 3 And not only that, but we also glory in tribulations, knowing that tribulation produces perseverance; 4 and perseverance, character; and character, hope. 5 Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

5:1 Peace here is not a subjective feeling of peace. Rather, this peace is the state of being at peace instead of at war. The hostility between God and the believer has ceased. The believer has been reconciled to God.


5:1: we have peace: In many manuscripts, the underlying Greek verb is indicative, as translated here. A number of other manuscripts use the subjunctive instead (let us have peace). • Peace with God does not refer to a mere feeling of peacefulness but to a real situation of peace. It is the end of hostilities between God and sinful human beings when they believe in Jesus Christ and the state of blessing and salvation that God promised his people in the end (see Isa 9:6-7; 52:7; Ezek 34:25; Nah 1:15).
5:1: hpistis (4102) Rom 10:17
5:1: ieirēnē (1515) Rom 8:6

Hi BillG, a wonderful truth is revealed to us in this passage. And Romans5:1-5 was the passage of scripture that I chose to recite at my baptism, (after I was born again). It took me forever to memorize but I love the phrase in verse 2, "through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand,"

God bless!

 

[BillG]

Hi BillG, a wonderful truth is revealed to us in this passage. And Romans5:1-5 was the passage of scripture that I chose to recite at my baptism, (after I was born again). It took me forever to memorize but I love the phrase in verse 2, "through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand,"

God bless!

TT,

I have been a believer for 34 years.

As a believer who struggled with my sonship in Jesus for 27 of those.
I knew the Bible very well. But my focus was always on the negative.
It was work, work and work more. Then maybe God would love me.
I was so miserable for those 27 years.
I actually stopped reading the Bible because I was so frightened.
I just saw the negative, like "If you love me you will obey my commands"
My default was because I messed up then obviously I did not love God, therefore he did not love me"

What a pitiful life, but that was my life. And so called Christians just added to it.
Like some do here, just quote Bible verses and leave it at that.
No compassion, no love.

Won't go into the full details concerning my release from this mental torment.
But was laid up with a bad back.
God asks me to spend time with him.
On the 3rd time I picked up my Bible, well Bible app.
I read Romans as above.
Then in a few hours God took me through a wonderful journey of scripture.

In fact when my wife came back from work she looked at me and said

"What had happened today, you look so different, you face is lighter?

I just said "God is not at war with me, he truly loves me, I'm not his enemy and he is not mine, in fact Jesus said the God loves me as much as he loves Jesus"

"I'm a son of the Father"

My wife looked at me (she knows her standing in the Father) and said "No s**t Sherlock (one of my favourite sayings😎)

I have progressed, grown understand more. I decrease and Jesus increases.
Sanctification.

Thank you Jesus, thank you Father.
Our identity is in you and not by what we do.
It is you that works in us to conform us to the image of Jesus.
We cannot do it.

Thank you that you love us so much, and that love is the same as it was yesterday, as it is today and at it will be tomorrow.

 

[TruthTalk]

TT,

I have been a believer for 34 years.

As a believer who struggled with my sonship in Jesus for 27 of those.
I knew the Bible very well. But my focus was always on the negative.
It was work, work and work more. Then maybe God would love me.
I was so miserable for those 27 years.
I actually stopped reading the Bible because I was so frightened.
I just saw the negative, like "If you love me you will obey my commands"
My default was because I messed up then obviously I did not love God, therefore he did not love me"

What a pitiful life, but that was my life. And so called Christians just added to it.
Like some do here, just quote Bible verses and leave it at that.
No compassion, no love.

Won't go into the full details concerning my release from this mental torment.
But was laid up with a bad back.
God asks me to spend time with him.
On the 3rd time I picked up my Bible, well Bible app.
I read Romans as above.
Then in a few hours God took me through a wonderful journey of scripture.

In fact when my wife came back from work she looked at me and said

"What had happened today, you look so different, you face is lighter?

I just said "God is not at war with me, he truly loves me, I'm not his enemy and he is not mine, in fact Jesus said the God loves me as much as he loves Jesus"

"I'm a son of the Father"

My wife looked at me (she knows her standing in the Father) and said "No s**t Sherlock (one of my favourite sayings😎)

I have progressed, grown understand more. I decrease and Jesus increases.
Sanctification.

Thank you Jesus, thank you Father.
Our identity is in you and not by what we do.
It is you that works in us to conform us to the image of Jesus.
We cannot do it.

Thank you that you love us so much, and that love is the same as it was yesterday, as it is today and at it will be tomorrow.

Amen! The fact that God loves us enough to die for us should be enough to get our attention being the reached sinners we are. Nice testimony, You could put a hyphen between my name and Jonah's name, Jonah-Glenn. After a terrible divorce I went on a personal rebellion that took me the opposite way that I knew God wanted me to go.

I found myself half way around the world in Thailand and met a beautiful Thai Christian woman who encouraged me to reconcile with God. I did and we now have a beautiful Christian marriage for 15yrs. All that I can do now is repeat the words of Jonah, "Salvation is of the Lord" Jonah2:10

I was born again in sept. 1978, about 40yrs.

God bless!

 

[VCO]

Amen......immersion is nothing but a picture or painting of what has taken place inwardly by faith, the first WORK OF RIGHTEOUSNESS and Act of Obedience....it has ZERO AFFECT ON THE Salvation one already possesses eternally by faith, it does not top off salvation, it does not embellish salvation, it does not finish salvation, it does not save, it does not keep saved........

It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that BELIEVE

No water required....!!

Like I have already quoted:


1 Peter 3:20-21 (YLT)
20 who sometime disbelieved, when once the long-suffering of God did wait, in days of Noah--an ark being preparing--in which few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water;
21 also to which an antitype doth now save us--baptism, ( not a putting away of the filth of flesh, but the question of a good conscience in regard to God,) through the rising again of Jesus Christ,

☝
THAT IS BORN AGAIN, the MOMENT the Holy Spirit CAME IN, Birthing your once dead HUMAN SPIRIT, and IMMERSING YOU INTO THE SPIRITUAL BODY of JESUS CHRIST.

 

[Seohce]

Hi Decon, and thanks for posting this truth. It gets wearisome to hear some people say that Salvation is a process. The moment a believer is born again we are pronounced "positionally" "Justified." We are reconciled to God and He now see's us as a Child of God, born again with a heavenly birth and the enmity between God and man has been taken away.

Growing and becoming mature in Christ "is a process", a life long pursuit. It is our daily life with Jesus and our being sanctified daily and being set apart for the work of the ministry,

Our "Position" in Christ is "Justified", not guilty. Our "Practice" in Christ is a life long pursuit of growing and maturing in Christ. God no longer see's us as an enemy but as son's and daughter's. To mix our "position in Christ", with our "practice in Christ" is confusing and not supported by scripture. We are saved "unto" good works, "not by" our good works

Ephesians2:10
For we are God's handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

Colossians2:6-7
6 Therefore, as you received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in him, 7 rooted and built up in him and established in the faith, just as you were taught, abounding in thanksgiving.

Hi Decon, and thanks for posting this truth. It gets wearisome to hear some people say that Salvation is a process. The moment a believer is born again we are pronounced "positionally" "Justified." We are reconciled to God and He now see's us as a Child of God, born again with a heavenly birth and the enmity between God and man has been taken away.

Growing and becoming mature in Christ "is a process", a life long pursuit. It is our daily life with Jesus and our being sanctified daily and being set apart for the work of the ministry,

Our "Position" in Christ is "Justified", not guilty. Our "Practice" in Christ is a life long pursuit of growing and maturing in Christ. God no longer see's us as an enemy but as son's and daughter's. To mix our "position in Christ", with our "practice in Christ" is confusing and not supported by scripture. We are saved "unto" good works, "not by" our good works

Ephesians2:10
For we are God's handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

Colossians2:6-7
6 Therefore, as you received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in him, 7 rooted and built up in him and established in the faith, just as you were taught, abounding in thanksgiving.

This, then, is how you ought to regard us: AS SERVANTS OF CHRIST and as those ENTRUSTED with the mysteries God has revealed. 2 Now IT IS REQUIRED that those who have been given a trust MUST PROVE FAITHFUL.3 I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself. 4 My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me. 5 Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait until the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of the heart. At that time each will receive their praise from God.

6 Now, brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, “DO NOT GO BEYOND WHAT IS WRITTEN.” Then you will not be puffed up in being a follower of one of us over against the other. 7 For WHO MAKES YOU DIFFERENT FROM ANYONE ELSE? What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did receive it, WHY DO YOU BOAST as though you did not?

be holy
13 Therefore, with minds that are alert and fully sober, set your hope on the grace to be brought to you WHEN JESUS CHRIST IS REVEALED AT HIS COMING. 14 AS OBEDIENT CHILDREN, do not conform to the evil desires you had when you lived in ignorance. 15 But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do;16 for it is written: “be holy, because I am holy.”

14 This is why it is said:

“wake up, sleeper,
RISE FROM THE DEAD,
and Christ will shine on you.”

The Day Is Near
11 And do this, understanding the present time: The hour has already come for you to WAKE UP FROM YOUR SLUMBER, because OUR SALVÀTION IS NEARÈR NOW THAN WHEN WE FIRST BELIEVED.

26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD.

OBEDIENCE LEADS TO RIGHTEOUSNESS WHICH LEADS TO "HOLINESS' AND THE RESULT IS ETERNAL LIFE. (romans 6:16-23)

16 Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, WHAT GOOD THING MUST I DO TO GET ETERNAL LIFE?”

17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?”Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. IF YOU WANT TO ENTER LIFE, OBEY THE COMMANDMENTS.”

 

[Seohce]

1. Not by works( NOT “VOID OF WORKS”) but by grace thru FAITH.(eph 2:8-9)
2. Justified by works and NOT BY FAITH ALONE.(james 2:24)
3. Faith that Worketh in Love.(gal 5:6)
4. Faith and Action Working TOGETHER.(james 2:22)

Salvation is by GRACE through FAITH and NOT BY WORKS(of ourselves).(#1)


It is NOT BY FAITH ALONE(#2)but it WORKS in LOVE(#3)thus FAITH & LOVE(works of obedience(romans 1:5) manifested in ACTION and in TRUTH)(1john 3:16-18)are working TOGETHER.(#4)


2 John 1:6 AND THIS IS LOVE: THAT WE WALK IN OBEDIENCE TO HIS COMMANDS. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you WALK IN LOVE.




THE FIRST PHASE OF SALVATION IS TO BELIEVE IN THE ONE THAT GOD HAS SENT AND IN HIS WORD OF TRUTH, THE GOSPEL OF OUR SALVATION.

(john 6:28-29, eph 1:13,romans 10:8-17).

THROUGH THIS FAITH WE WILL RECEIVE THE PROMISED HOLY SPIRIT(the Helper/Counsellor)(gal 3:14, john 14:16-17)


John 6:28-29 Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the WORKS GOD REQUIRES?” Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to BELIEVE in the one he has sent.”


THE SECOND PHASE IS THE WORKING OUT OF THAT SALVATION AND REMAINING/CONTINUING IN THE FAITH TO THE END THROUGH OBEDIENCE TO GOD’S WILL AND COMMANDMENTS, DOING GOOD WORKS. WALKING AS JESUS DID AND BEING A PART OF THE BODY OF CHRIST WHO DOES THE WORKS BEING LED BY THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST WHO IS THE HEAD.


Ephesians 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, HIS BODY OF WHICH HE IS THE SAVIOR.


1 Corinthians 12:28 And in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing, those able to help others, those with gifts of administration, and those speaking in different kinds of tongues.


1 Corinthians 3:9 For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, God’s building.


John 14:12 I tell you the truth, anyone who has FAITH in me WILL DO WHAT I HAVE BEEN DOING. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father


1 Corinthians 15:2 By this gospel you are saved, iF YOU HOLD FIRMLY TO THE WORD I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.


Romans 1:5 Through him and for his name’s sake, we received grace and apostleship to call people from among all the Gentiles to the OBEDIENCE that comes from FAITH.


Philippians 2:12 Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always OBEYED—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—CONTINUE TO WORK OUT YOUR SALVATION WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING.


Romans 6:16 Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as servants, you are servants to the one whom you obey—WHETHER YOU ARE SERVANTS TO SIN, WHICH LEADS TO DEATH, OR TO OBEDIENCE, WHICH LEADS TO RIGHTEOUSNESS?


2 Corinthians 9:13 Because of the service by which you have proved yourselves, men will praise God for the OBEDIENCE THAT ACCOMPANIES YOUR CONFESSION OF THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST, and for your generosity in sharing with them and with everyone else.


Ephesians 4:11-13 It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, TO PREPARE GOD’S PEOPLE FOR WORKS OF SERVICE, so that the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, ATTAINING to the whole measure of the FULLNESS of Christ.


Romans 2:7 To those who by persistence in DOING GOOD seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.


Galatians 6:9 Let us not become weary in DOING GOOD, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.


Ephesians 2:10 For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus TO DO GOOD WORKS, which God prepared in advance for us to do.


1 Timothy 6:18-19 Command them TO DO GOOD, to be rich in good deeds, and to be generous and willing to share. In this way they will lay up treasure for themselves as a firm foundation for the coming age, so that they may take hold of the life that is truly life.


Hebrews 5:8-9 Although he was a son, he learned OBEDIENCE from what he suffered and, once made PERFECT, he became the SOURCE OF ETERNAL SALVATION for all who OBEY HIM.


Matthew 19:16-17 Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do TO GET ETERNAL LIFE?” “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, OBEY THE COMMANDMENTS.”


Matthew 25:21 “His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful SERVANT You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. COME AND SHARE YOUR MASTER’S HAPPINESS!’


WE ARE SANCTIFIED BY THESE TRUTHS AS IT IS WRITTEN:

John 17:17 Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth.


James 1:22 BUT BE YE DOERS OF THE WORD AND NOT HEARERS ONLY deceiving your own selves.


Romans 2:13 (For it is not the hearers of the law who are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.


1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God: that WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS; and His commandments are not grievous.


1 John 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue, but in deed and in truth.


Ephesians 3:19 and to know this LOVE that surpasses knowledge—that you may be filled to the measure of all THE FULLNESS OF GOD.


THE THIRD PHASE OF SALVATION IS SALVATION FROM GOD’S WRATH. THIS IS DEPENDING ON GOD’S MERCY AND JUDGMENT(JUSTICE).


Romans 9:15 For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”


1 John 4:17 In this way, love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment, because IN THIS WORLD WE ARE LIKE HIM.


Matthew 12:36-37 But I tell you that MEN WILL HAVE TO GIVE ACCOUNT ON THE DAY OF JUDGMENT for every careless word they have spoken. For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.”


John 16:8 When he comes, he will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment in regard to sin, because men do not believe in me; in regard to righteousness, because I am going to the Father,(ref:john 14:12) where you can see me no longer; and in regard to judgment,(ref:hebrews 10:26-27) because the prince of this world now stands condemned.


Romans 2:5-10 But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. God “will give to each person according to what he has done.” To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile.


Romans 14:10 You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? FOR WE WILL ALL STAND BEFORE GOD’S JUDGMENT SEAT.


2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.


Hebrews 9:27-28 Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, NOT TO BEAR SIN, BUT TO BRING SALVATION to those who are waiting for him.


1 Peter 4:17-18 For it is time for judgment to begin with the family of God; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for THOSE WHO DO NOT OBEY the gospel of God? And, “If it is hard for the righteous to be saved, what will become of the ungodly and the SINNERS.


John 7:17-18 If anyone chooses to do God’s will, he will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own. He who speaks on his own does so to gain honor for himself, but he who WORKS for the honor of the one who sent him is a man of truth; there is nothing false about him.


John 3:34 For the one whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God gives the Spirit without limit.


John 8:47 He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”

 

[dcontroversal]

Hi Decon, and thanks for posting this truth. It gets wearisome to hear some people say that Salvation is a process. The moment a believer is born again we are pronounced "positionally" "Justified." We are reconciled to God and He now see's us as a Child of God, born again with a heavenly birth and the enmity between God and man has been taken away.

Growing and becoming mature in Christ "is a process", a life long pursuit. It is our daily life with Jesus and our being sanctified daily and being set apart for the work of the ministry,

Our "Position" in Christ is "Justified", not guilty. Our "Practice" in Christ is a life long pursuit of growing and maturing in Christ. God no longer see's us as an enemy but as son's and daughter's. To mix our "position in Christ", with our "practice in Christ" is confusing and not supported by scripture. We are saved "unto" good works, "not by" our good works

Ephesians2:10
For we are God's handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

Colossians2:6-7
6 Therefore, as you received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in him, 7 rooted and built up in him and established in the faith, just as you were taught, abounding in thanksgiving.

Amen bro....the simplicity found in Christ...........no wonder the "Cainologists" cannot grasp the truth....too busy "muddying the waters" with their works based false dogma.....

 

[dcontroversal]

Romans 5:1-5

Faith Triumphs in Trouble
1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. 3 And not only that, but we also glory in tribulations, knowing that tribulation produces perseverance; 4 and perseverance, character; and character, hope. 5 Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

5:1 Peace here is not a subjective feeling of peace. Rather, this peace is the state of being at peace instead of at war. The hostility between God and the believer has ceased. The believer has been reconciled to God.


5:1: we have peace: In many manuscripts, the underlying Greek verb is indicative, as translated here. A number of other manuscripts use the subjunctive instead (let us have peace). • Peace with God does not refer to a mere feeling of peacefulness but to a real situation of peace. It is the end of hostilities between God and sinful human beings when they believe in Jesus Christ and the state of blessing and salvation that God promised his people in the end (see Isa 9:6-7; 52:7; Ezek 34:25; Nah 1:15).
5:1: hpistis (4102) Rom 10:17
5:1: ieirēnē (1515) Rom 8:6

Notice that this is not the only set of verses that equates grace to a position the believer is placed into...!

 

[dcontroversal]

Like I have already quoted:


1 Peter 3:20-21 (YLT)
20 who sometime disbelieved, when once the long-suffering of God did wait, in days of Noah--an ark being preparing--in which few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water;
21 also to which an antitype doth now save us--baptism, ( not a putting away of the filth of flesh, but the question of a good conscience in regard to God,) through the rising again of Jesus Christ,

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THAT IS BORN AGAIN, the MOMENT the Holy Spirit CAME IN, Birthing your once dead HUMAN SPIRIT, and IMMERSING YOU INTO THE SPIRITUAL BODY of JESUS CHRIST.

Amen bro........the water identifies publically and disassociates one from the generation (any) that is perishing.....!

 

[Papou]

Wow, more than 3424 pages and still debating the same topic! Must be an interesting subject!