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gb9

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Yes, that is why God chose Him over others to build the Ark. "walking" is a work. He "walked with God", not the religions of the land.



Or Gen 12:

1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
4 So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him

So God did give Abram a commandment, and unlike Eve, Abram obeyed. Shall we not also consider this along with all the other instructions God gave to Abram and he obeyed?

Why does the Word Obedience throw you all into such a tizzy. I swear, we can live by any religious life style, and be accepted by you guys, except the ONE that Jesus walked. Why would you work so hard to discourage others from Walking even as He walked? Absolutely fascinating.



Without Faith they could do nothing. What separated their religion from the Pharisees?

The Pharisees:
7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

The Pharisees didn't know Jesus when He came.

Zechariahs:
6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

Zechariahs knew Jesus when He came.

What separated Eve from Abraham?

Eve:
2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat

Abraham:
Gen 12:1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him;

Why do you guys work so hard to hide these truths? You should really think about that Dan.
well, why do you and shamah , in particular, not practice what you preach??

why don't you man up and answer some questions??

like how is It that Jerimiah 30 speaks in particular about the return from Babylon ?

or how the Law that you say is divided into multiple parts in the greek is a single tense word?

or when the word Torah NOT being used when speaking of Abraham keeping the commands ?

or when Jesus's birth was announced to Joseph , the words are ….. He shall save His people from their sins?

that is an open and closed statement .

so, why do you not answer a question or 2??

if you can.

you mention using all of Scripture , so, do it.
 

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OSAS AND FAS ARE FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINES THAT PROMOTES DISOBEDIENCE TO GOD AND REJECTS AND NULLIFIES GOD'S WORDS AND COMMANDS. (mark 7:6-13, Isaiah 5:20-24)

SO DO NOT LET ANYONE DECEIVE YOU...FOR THE WRATH OF GOD COMES ON THOSE WHO ARE DISOBEDIENT.(Ephesians 5:6)

OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST WHO IS THE SOURCE OF ETERNAL LIFE FOR THOSE WHO OBEY HIM (Hebrews 5:8-9) SAID:

Revelation 3:1-3 To the Church in Sardis “To the angel of the church in Sardis write: These are the words of him who holds the seven spirits of God and the seven stars. I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead. Wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I HAVE NOT FOUND YOUR DEEDS COMPLETE in the sight of my God. Remember, therefore, what you have RECEIVED and HEARD ; OBEY IT and REPENT. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you.

JESUS HAVE NOT FOUND THEIR DEEDS "COMPLETE" IN THE EYES OF GOD.

THEN HE TOLD THEM TO "OBEY" WHAT THEY RECEIVED AND HEARD AND TO REPENT.

JESUS WAS SPEAKING HERE TO ONE OF THE SEVEN CHURCHES AND WE KNOW THAT THE "CHURCH" IS THE BODY OF CHRIST WHOM HE WILL SAVE. (eph 5:23)

WHY WILL HE SAY THAT THEIR DEEDS ARE NOT COMPLETE IF WORKS ARE NOT NECESSARY FOR SALVATION AND THAT "FAITH ALONE" SAVES?

WHY WOULD JESUS COMMAND THEM TO OBEY AND REPENT IF IT
IS NO LONGER NECESSARY SINCE THEY ARE SAVED ETERNALLY? (OSAS)

IS JESUS IGNORANT OF THIS DOCTRINE OR IS IT CONTRARY TO HIS TEACHINGS AND COMMANDS AND THEREFORE ARE JUST FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINE THAT NULLIFIES GOD'S WORDS?

JESUS AND HIS FATHER REQUIRE SOME WORKS TO BE COMPLETED AND ASKED FOR OBEDIENCE AND REPENTANCE.

Romans 8:4 in order that the righteous REQUIREMENTS of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit.

Malachi 3:14 “You have said, ‘It is futile to serve God. What did we gain by CARRYING OUT HIS REQUIREMENTS and going about like mourners before the Lord Almighty?

GOD REQUIRES OBEDIENCE AND REPENTANCE IN OUR PART OTHERWISE HIS WRATH WILL COME ON THOSE WHO ARE "DISOBEDIENT".(eph 5:6 )

Luke 6:46 “Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?

John 14:15 “If you love me, you will obey what I command.

2 John 1:6 And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love.

DO NOT BE DECEIVED... GOD CANNOT BE MOCKED...WE REAP WHAT WE SOW...(Galatians 6:7-10)

NOW IF FAITH ALONE SAVES AND ONCE SAVED, YOU ARE ALWAYS SAVED, DOES THIS PASSAGE BELOW CONTRADICT THESE FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINE OR DO YOU REJECT IT OR TWIST IT TO MEAN SOMETHING ELSE THAT WOULD FIT YOUR DOCTRINE?

Matthew 24:9-14 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. At that time MANY WILL TURN AWAY FROM THE FAITH and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, THE LOVE OF MOST WILL GROW COLD, but HE WHO STANDS FIRM TO THE END WILL BE SAVED . And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

MANY WHO HAS FAITH WILL TURN AWAY FROM THEIR FAITH.

ARE THEY STILL SAVED AFTER TURNING AWAY FROM THEIR FAITH(ALONE)?

DO YOU MOCK GOD AND REJECT THESE VERSES BELOW?

Galatians 6:7-10 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature WILL REAP DESTRUCTION; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit WILL REAP ETERNAL LIFE. Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up. Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers.

James 2:26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD..

"LET GOD BE TRUE..." (Romans 3:3-4)
 
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It does not get any plainer..........Our righteous works have ZERO to do with Salvation!

English Standard Version
he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,

Berean Study Bible
He saved us, not by the righteous deeds we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of new birth and renewal by the Holy Spirit.

Berean Literal Bible
He saved us, not by works in righteousness that we did, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,

New American Standard Bible
He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,

King James Bible
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;


The Bible says: “A man is declared righteous by faith apart from works of law.” It also says: “A man is to be declared righteous by works, and not by faith alone.” Which is right? Are we declared righteous by faith or by works?—Romans 3:28; James 2:24.

The harmonious answer from the Bible is that both are correct. For centuries the Law that God gave through Moses had required Jewish worshipers to make specific sacrifices and offerings, to observe festival days, and to conform to dietary and other requirements. Such “works of law,” or simply “works,” were no longer necessary after Jesus provided the ultimate sacrifice.—Romans 10:4.

But the fact that these works performed under the Mosaic Law were replaced by Jesus’ superlative sacrifice did not mean that we can ignore the Bible’s instructions. It says: “How much more will the blood of the Christ . . . cleanse our consciences from [the older] dead works that we may render sacred service to the living God?”—Hebrews 9:14.

How do we “render sacred service to the living God”? Among other things, the Bible tells us to combat the works of the flesh, to resist the world’s immorality, and to avoid its snares. It says: “Fight the fine fight of the faith,” put off “the sin that easily entangles us,” and “run with endurance the race that is set before us, as we look intently at the Chief Agent and Perfecter of our faith, Jesus.” And the Bible urges us not to ‘get tired and give out in our souls.’—1 Timothy 6:12; Hebrews 12:1-3; Galatians 5:19-21.

We do not earn salvation by doing these things, for no human could ever do enough to merit such an astounding blessing. We are not worthy of this magnificent gift, though, if we fail to demonstrate our love and obedience by doing the things that the Bible says God and Christ want us to do. Without works to demonstrate our faith, our claim to follow Jesus would fall far short, for the Bible clearly states: “Faith, if it does not have works, is dead in itself.”—James 2:17.
 

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The Bible says: “A man is declared righteous by faith apart from works of law.” It also says: “A man is to be declared righteous by works, and not by faith alone.” Which is right? Are we declared righteous by faith or by works?—Romans 3:28; James 2:24.

The harmonious answer from the Bible is that both are correct. For centuries the Law that God gave through Moses had required Jewish worshipers to make specific sacrifices and offerings, to observe festival days, and to conform to dietary and other requirements. Such “works of law,” or simply “works,” were no longer necessary after Jesus provided the ultimate sacrifice.—Romans 10:4.

But the fact that these works performed under the Mosaic Law were replaced by Jesus’ superlative sacrifice did not mean that we can ignore the Bible’s instructions. It says: “How much more will the blood of the Christ . . . cleanse our consciences from [the older] dead works that we may render sacred service to the living God?”—Hebrews 9:14.

How do we “render sacred service to the living God”? Among other things, the Bible tells us to combat the works of the flesh, to resist the world’s immorality, and to avoid its snares. It says: “Fight the fine fight of the faith,” put off “the sin that easily entangles us,” and “run with endurance the race that is set before us, as we look intently at the Chief Agent and Perfecter of our faith, Jesus.” And the Bible urges us not to ‘get tired and give out in our souls.’—1 Timothy 6:12; Hebrews 12:1-3; Galatians 5:19-21.

We do not earn salvation by doing these things, for no human could ever do enough to merit such an astounding blessing. We are not worthy of this magnificent gift, though, if we fail to demonstrate our love and obedience by doing the things that the Bible says God and Christ want us to do. Without works to demonstrate our faith, our claim to follow Jesus would fall far short, for the Bible clearly states: “Faith, if it does not have works, is dead in itself.”—James 2:17.
The harmonious answer is context.....one is before God the other is before men.......

Romans ---> Man justified "rendered innocent" before God by faith
James -----> The above faith is seen before men by our works

The contrast in James is between a mere acknowledgement that GOD is and true saving faith...the demons/devils believe in GOD because they know he is real, however, they have not exercised saving faith nor can they.......

Saved by faith without any embellishments ----->works do not save, keep saved, help stay saved, top off salvation, finish salvation and or any other consideration of like caliber and order........
 

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The harmonious answer is context.....one is before God the other is before men.......

Romans ---> Man justified "rendered innocent" before God by faith
James -----> The above faith is seen before men by our works

The contrast in James is between a mere acknowledgement that GOD is and true saving faith...the demons/devils believe in GOD because they know he is real, however, they have not exercised saving faith nor can they.......

Saved by faith without any embellishments ----->works do not save, keep saved, help stay saved, top off salvation, finish salvation and or any other consideration of like caliber and order........
That ignores the thing James is showing, that true fauth has works, feigned faith does not have worls and can not save:

James 2:17, "So also belief, if it does not have works, is in itself dead."

James 2:22, "Do you see that the belief was working with his works, and by the works the belief was perfected?"

James 2:24, "You see, then, that a man is declared right by works, and not by belief alone."

James 2:26, "For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so belief without works is dead also."

James 2:14, “My brothers, what use is it for anyone to say he has belief but does not have works? This belief is unable to save him.”

Also please do not caom with any "works salvationist" "cainology" nonsense for this. Clearly Yaaqob/James is not saying works save people he is saying true faith has works and this is the true and perfect faith that saves, the "faith" that ignores the Messiah;s path is a false faith that does not save.
 

dcontroversal

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That ignores the thing James is showing, that true fauth has works, feigned faith does not have worls and can not save:

James 2:17, "So also belief, if it does not have works, is in itself dead."

James 2:22, "Do you see that the belief was working with his works, and by the works the belief was perfected?"

James 2:24, "You see, then, that a man is declared right by works, and not by belief alone."

James 2:26, "For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so belief without works is dead also."

James 2:14, “My brothers, what use is it for anyone to say he has belief but does not have works? This belief is unable to save him.”

Also please do not caom with any "works salvationist" "cainology" nonsense for this. Clearly Yaaqob/James is not saying works save people he is saying true faith has works and this is the true and perfect faith that saves, the "faith" that ignores the Messiah;s path is a false faith that does not save.
In your mind alone it might be ignoring something.....contextually my statement is spot on.......Geesh man....get your mind out of this OBEY the LAW garbage to be saved or remain saved.....the contrast is made to DEMONS that BELIEVE there is A GOD.......and you must be as dense as lead or just like to get a chance to argue your law keeping drivel..........I POSTED clearly....

The harmonious answer is context.....one is before God the other is before men.......

Romans ---> Man justified "rendered innocent" before God by faith
James -----> The above faith is seen before men by our works
 

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The harmonious answer is context.....one is before God the other is before men.......

Romans ---> Man justified "rendered innocent" before God by faith
James -----> The above faith is seen before men by our works

The contrast in James is between a mere acknowledgement that GOD is and true saving faith...the demons/devils believe in GOD because they know he is real, however, they have not exercised saving faith nor can they.......

Saved by faith without any embellishments ----->works do not save, keep saved, help stay saved, top off salvation, finish salvation and or any other consideration of like caliber and order........
1 john 2
3 We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands. 4 Whoever says, “I know
him,” but does not do what he commands is a LIAR, and the truth is not in that person.
5 But if
anyone obeys his word,love for God is truly made complete in them. This is how we know we
are in him:6 Whoever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did.

revelations 21
8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who
practice magic arts, the idolaters and ALL LIARS—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of
burning sulfur. This is the second death.”


LIKE ANANIAS AND SAPPHIRA, WHO AFTER ŔECEIVING THE HOLY SPIRIT THROUGH
FAITH, LIED TO THE HOLY SPIRIT.
WILL THEY BE CONSIGNED TO THE FIERY LAKE OF BURNING SULFUR?

DOES THIS MAKE SENSE TO YOU?

9 “And you, my son Solomon, acknowledge the God of your father, and serve him with wholehearted devotion and with a willing mind, for the Lordsearches every heart and understands every motive behind the thoughts. If you seek him, he will be found by you; but if you forsake him, he will reject you forever.

6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things COMETH THE WRATH
OF .GOD ÙPON THE CHILDREN OF DISOBEDIENCE

MAN GOT SEPARATED FROM GOD BECAUSE OF THE SIN OF DISOBEDIENCE WHEN
MAN WAS DECEIVED BY THE SERPENT WHO SAID THAT “...Ye shall not surely
die.”(genesis 3:4)

DÈCEIVERS OF THIS AGE SAYS THE SAME THING;

“YE SHALL NOT SURELY DIE (PERIßH / BE CONDEMNED). ONCE YOU'RE SAVED, YOU
ARE ALWAYS SAVED. JUST HAVE FAITH VOID OF WORKS (OF RIGHTEOUSNESS /
ÒBEDIENCE) AND YOU WILL POSSESS ETERNAL LIFE THE MOMENT YOU BELIEVE.

For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in
among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for
immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

OSAS AND FAS ARE FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINES.

"GOD CANNOT BE MOCKED"

"LET GOD BE TRUE AND EVERY MAN A LIAR"
 

Shamah

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In your mind alone it might be ignoring something.....contextually my statement is spot on.......Geesh man....get your mind out of this OBEY the LAW garbage to be saved or remain saved.....the contrast is made to DEMONS that BELIEVE there is A GOD.......and you must be as dense as lead or just like to get a chance to argue your law keeping drivel..........I POSTED clearly....

The harmonious answer is context.....one is before God the other is before men.......

Romans ---> Man justified "rendered innocent" before God by faith
James -----> The above faith is seen before men by our works
You are adding to and changing what I said...

but...ok

James 2:17, "So also belief, if it does not have works, is in itself dead."

James 2:22, "Do you see that the belief was working with his works, and by the works the belief was perfected?"

James 2:24, "You see, then, that a man is declared right by works, and not by belief alone."

James 2:26, "For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so belief without works is dead also."

James 2:14, “My brothers, what use is it for anyone to say he has belief but does not have works? This belief is unable to save him.”
 

dcontroversal

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Just think.....Jesus became a curse for us when he hung on the tree and cried My God, My God why has thou forsaken me when he became a offering for sin for us while imputing his righteousness to us dia faith void of works and or some law keeping drivel....imagine how many religionists and Cainologists trample under foot the Son of God and how they count his blood a common ordinary base thing.........

Trust JESUS....time is short, the night is far spent......!!
 

dcontroversal

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You are adding to and changing what I said...

but...ok

James 2:17, "So also belief, if it does not have works, is in itself dead."

James 2:22, "Do you see that the belief was working with his works, and by the works the belief was perfected?"

James 2:24, "You see, then, that a man is declared right by works, and not by belief alone."

James 2:26, "For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so belief without works is dead also."

James 2:14, “My brothers, what use is it for anyone to say he has belief but does not have works? This belief is unable to save him.”
I ignored nothing and added nothing, you're the one who added and said I did not say something I did day...get your facts straight man!
YOU said--->That ignores the thing James is showing, that true fauth has works, feigned faith does not have worls and can not save:
 

Shamah

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I ignored nothing and added nothing, you're the one who added and said I did not say something I did day...get your facts straight man!
YOU said--->That ignores the thing James is showing, that true fauth has works, feigned faith does not have worls and can not save:
James 2:14, “My brothers, what use is it for anyone to say he has belief but does not have works? This belief is unable to save him.”
 

dcontroversal

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James 2:14, “My brothers, what use is it for anyone to say he has belief but does not have works? This belief is unable to save him.”
Dang man....you just embellished the word of GOD..........wow......it is a question, not a statement....you're gonna pay a heavy price for embellishing the word of God

New International Version
What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them?

New Living Translation
What good is it, dear brothers and sisters, if you say you have faith but don't show it by your actions? Can that kind of faith save anyone?

English Standard Version
What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him?

Berean Study Bible
What good is it, my brothers, if someone claims to have faith, but has no deeds? Can such faith save him?

Berean Literal Bible
What is the profit, my brothers, if anyone says to have faith, but has no works? Is the faith able to save him?

New American Standard Bible
What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him?

King James Bible
What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

Christian Standard Bible
What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but does not have works? Can such faith save him?

Contemporary English Version
My friends, what good is it to say you have faith, when you don't do anything to show you really do have faith? Can this kind of faith save you?

Good News Translation
My friends, what good is it for one of you to say that you have faith if your actions do not prove it? Can that faith save you?

Holman Christian Standard Bible
What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can his faith save him?

International Standard Version
What good does it do, my brothers, if someone claims to have faith but does not prove it with actions? This kind of faith cannot save him, can it?

NET Bible
What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but does not have works? Can this kind of faith save him?

New Heart English Bible
What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith, but has no works? Can faith save him?

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
What good is it my brethren, if a man says, 'I have faith', and he does not have deeds? Can his faith save him?
 

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Dang man....you just embellished the word of GOD..........wow......it is a question, not a statement....
Hmmm, so I post only Scripture and Im adding to the Word.

James 2:14, “My brothers, what use is it for anyone to say he has belief but does not have works? This belief is unable to save him.”
 

dcontroversal

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Hmmm, so I post only Scripture and Im adding to the Word.
OH yeah....you are going to pay a heavy price pal for embellishing the word of God....you made a question into a statement to push your ideology......bad deal for you....

New International Version
What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them?

New Living Translation
What good is it, dear brothers and sisters, if you say you have faith but don't show it by your actions? Can that kind of faith save anyone?

English Standard Version
What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him?

Berean Study Bible
What good is it, my brothers, if someone claims to have faith, but has no deeds? Can such faith save him?

Berean Literal Bible
What is the profit, my brothers, if anyone says to have faith, but has no works? Is the faith able to save him?

New American Standard Bible
What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him?

King James Bible
What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

Christian Standard Bible
What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but does not have works? Can such faith save him?

Contemporary English Version
My friends, what good is it to say you have faith, when you don't do anything to show you really do have faith? Can this kind of faith save you?

Good News Translation
My friends, what good is it for one of you to say that you have faith if your actions do not prove it? Can that faith save you?

Holman Christian Standard Bible
What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can his faith save him?

International Standard Version
What good does it do, my brothers, if someone claims to have faith but does not prove it with actions? This kind of faith cannot save him, can it?

NET Bible
What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but does not have works? Can this kind of faith save him?

New Heart English Bible
What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith, but has no works? Can faith save him?

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
What good is it my brethren, if a man says, 'I have faith', and he does not have deeds? Can his faith save him?
 

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Just think.....Jesus became a curse for us when he hung on the tree and cried My God, My God why has thou forsaken me when he became a offering for sin for us while imputing his righteousness to us dia faith void of works and or some law keeping drivel....imagine how many religionists and Cainologists trample under foot the Son of God and how they count his blood a common ordinary base thing.........

Trust JESUS....time is short, the night is far spent......!!
1 john 2
3 We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands. 4 Whoever says, “I know
him,” but does not do what he commands is a LIAR, and the truth is not in that person.
5 But if
anyone obeys his word,love for God is truly made complete in them. This is how we know we
are in him:6 Whoever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did.

revelations 21
8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who
practice magic arts, the idolaters and ALL LIARS—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of
burning sulfur. This is the second death.”


LIKE ANANIAS AND SAPPHIRA, WHO AFTER ŔECEIVING THE HOLY SPIRIT THROUGH
FAITH, LIED TO THE HOLY SPIRIT.
WILL THEY BE CONSIGNED TO THE FIERY LAKE OF BURNING SULFUR?

DOES THIS MAKE SENSE TO YOU?

9 “And you, my son Solomon, acknowledge the God of your father, and serve him with wholehearted devotion and with a willing mind, for the Lordsearches every heart and understands every motive behind the thoughts. If you seek him, he will be found by you; but if you forsake him, he will reject you forever.

6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things COMETH THE WRATH
OF .GOD ÙPON THE CHILDREN OF DISOBEDIENCE

MAN GOT SEPARATED FROM GOD BECAUSE OF THE SIN OF DISOBEDIENCE WHEN
MAN WAS DECEIVED BY THE SERPENT WHO SAID THAT “...Ye shall not surely
die.”(genesis 3:4)

DÈCEIVERS OF THIS AGE SAYS THE SAME THING;

YE SHALL NOT SURELY DIE (PERIßH / BE CONDEMNED). ONCE YOU'RE SAVED, YOU
ARE ALWAYS SAVED. JUST HAVE FAITH VOID OF WORKS (OF RIGHTEOUSNESS /
ÒBEDIENCE) AND YOU WILL POSSESS ETERNAL LIFE THE MOMENT YOU BELIEVE.

For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in
among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a LICENSE FOR IMMORALITY and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

OSAS AND FAS ARE FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINES.

"GOD CANNOT BE MOCKED"

"LET GOD BE TRUE AND EVERY MAN A LIAR"
 

Shamah

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OH yeah....you are going to pay a heavy price pal for embellishing the word of God....you made a question into a statement to push your ideology......bad deal for you....

New International Version
What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them?

New Living Translation
What good is it, dear brothers and sisters, if you say you have faith but don't show it by your actions? Can that kind of faith save anyone?

English Standard Version
What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him?

Berean Study Bible
What good is it, my brothers, if someone claims to have faith, but has no deeds? Can such faith save him?

Berean Literal Bible
What is the profit, my brothers, if anyone says to have faith, but has no works? Is the faith able to save him?

New American Standard Bible
What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him?

King James Bible
What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

Christian Standard Bible
What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but does not have works? Can such faith save him?

Contemporary English Version
My friends, what good is it to say you have faith, when you don't do anything to show you really do have faith? Can this kind of faith save you?

Good News Translation
My friends, what good is it for one of you to say that you have faith if your actions do not prove it? Can that faith save you?

Holman Christian Standard Bible
What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can his faith save him?

International Standard Version
What good does it do, my brothers, if someone claims to have faith but does not prove it with actions? This kind of faith cannot save him, can it?

NET Bible
What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but does not have works? Can this kind of faith save him?

New Heart English Bible
What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith, but has no works? Can faith save him?

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
What good is it my brethren, if a man says, 'I have faith', and he does not have deeds? Can his faith save him?
The Emphatic diagoalot retains the reading I ahve displayed, I own a hard copy, it is in my lap now it reads this way in the Koine Greek. However the Vatican Manuscript omits it.

Divergent manuscripts. maye the person who altered the Greek is the one who has sinned...

James 2:14, “My brothers, what use is it for anyone to say he has belief but does not have works? This belief is unable to save him.”


James 2:17, "So also belief, if it does not have works, is in itself dead.
 

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The Emphatic diagoalot retains the reading I ahve displayed, I own a hard copy, it is in my lap now it reads this way in the Koine Greek. However the Vatican Manuscript omits it.

Divergent manuscripts. maye the person who altered the Greek is the one who has sinned...

James 2:14, “My brothers, what use is it for anyone to say he has belief but does not have works? This belief is unable to save him.”


James 2:17, "So also belief, if it does not have works, is in itself dead.
You should quote the WHOLE verses so you arent taking them out of context

JAMES 2: 14-26

Faith and Deeds
14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them?15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”

Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.

20 You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless[d]? 21 Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,”[e] and he was called God’s friend. 24 You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.

25 In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? 26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead."

IN POSTING THIS..DEEDS DOES NOT EARN YOU SALVATION NOR DO YOU LOSE YOUR SALVATION FROM LACK OF IT...JAMES IS NOT TALKING BOUT SALVATION..just to be clear
 

Shamah

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The Emphatic diagoalot retains the reading I ahve displayed, I own a hard copy, it is in my lap now it reads this way in the Koine Greek. However the Vatican Manuscript omits it.

Divergent manuscripts. maye the person who altered the Greek is the one who has sinned...

James 2:14, “My brothers, what use is it for anyone to say he has belief but does not have works? This belief is unable to save him.”


James 2:17, "So also belief, if it does not have works, is in itself dead.
Here is a rip from the PDF and I have a hard copy to confirm this is how it reads:

James 2-14.jpg
 

VCO

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ATTN:
EVERYONE WHO BELIEVES SALVATION DOES NOT TAKE PLACE, UNTIL AFTER WE DO SOME WORKS.



I know some verses that should convince you, that SALVATION takes place the Day we first genuine BELIEVED.

Everyone should remember that Rom. 5:5, is one of my favorite Verses, but the proof of when it happens is in Rom. 5:1.
What reminded me of that Verse was today's Sermon, and it was primarily on Rom. 5:1-5. It reminded me of the importance to not just give people the ONE verse out of the middle, Rom. 5:5, but give them the entire context.

Romans 5:1-10 (NASB)
1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
2 through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand; and we exult in hope of the glory of God.
3 And not only this, but we also exult in our tribulations, knowing that tribulation brings about perseverance;
4 and perseverance, proven character; and proven character, hope;
5 and hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.
6 For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly.
7 For one will hardly die for a righteous man; though perhaps for the good man someone would dare even to die.
8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.
10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.


SALVATION HAPPENED the Day we first genuinely BELIEVED, before there were ANY WORKS.
As in Eph. 2:8, it is the GIFT OF GOD.
JUSTIFIED and SALVATION are the pretty much Same thing.
NOTICE: by faith into this grace in which we stand; it does NOT say in grace we will WALK.
The stand is in the Greek Perfect Tense, that is ongoing because of an action that was completed in the past.
Then comes our spiritual grow, AFTER GRACE HAS FINISHED IT PERFECT WORK.
Because GOD's LOVE has been there since the beginning, it produces LOVE FOR GOD in US.
Obedience is Produced by that LOVE.
Then in verses 6-9, he REPEATS HIS absolute TRUTH from verses 1 and 2.
THEN in verse 10, HE EVEN PROCLAIMS: while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son.


NOW TRY TO CLAIM ANY CREDIT FOR YOUR SALVATION.

Romans 11:6 (HCSB)
6 Now if by grace, then it is not by works; otherwise grace ceases to be grace.
 

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You should quote the WHOLE verses so you arent taking them out of context

JAMES 2: 14-26

Faith and Deeds
14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them?15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”

Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.

20 You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless[d]? 21 Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,”[e] and he was called God’s friend. 24 You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.

25 In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? 26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead."

IN POSTING THIS..DEEDS DOES NOT EARN YOU SALVATION NOR DO YOU LOSE YOUR SALVATION FROM LACK OF IT...JAMES IS NOT TALKING BOUT SALVATION..just to be clear
Just another Mr. Twisty..............he cannot admit the truth nor his many errors in twisting the word to push his law keeping religious creed....
 
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