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WHO PERVERTS THE GRACE OF OUR GOD INTO A LICENSE FOR IMMORALITY?

ARE THEY THOSE PROMOTING OBEDIENCE OR THOSE WHO NULLIFY AND REJECT GOD'S WORD TO PROMOTE A FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINE THAT DO NOT PROMOTE OBEDIENCE TO GOD?

New International Version 1984 Matthew 25:28-30 “‘Take the talent from him and give it to the one who has the ten talents. For everyone who has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’
 
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Seohce said:
WHO PERVERTS THE GRACE OF OUR GOD INTO A LICENSE FOR IMMORALITY?

ARE THEY THOSE PROMOTING OBEDIENCE OR THOSE WHO NULLIFY AND REJECT GOD'S WORD TO PROMOTE A FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINE THAT DO NOT PROMOTE OBEDIENCE TO GOD?

New International Version 1984 Matthew 25:28-30 “‘Take the talent from him and give it to the one who has the ten talents. For everyone who has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’
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WHO IS PROMTING DISOBEDIANCE TO GOD? I havent heard that from ANYONEon here..
 
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New International Version 1984 Ephesians 5:1-21 Be imitators of God, therefore, as dearly loved children and live a life of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God. But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people. Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving. For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person—such a man is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore do not be partners with them. For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light (for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth) and find out what pleases the Lord. Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather EXPOSE THEM. For it is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret. But everything exposed by the light becomes visible, for it is light that makes everything visible. This is why it is said: “Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you.” Be very careful, then, how you live—not as unwise but as wise, making the most of every opportunity, because the days are evil. Therefore do not be foolish, but understand what the Lord’s will is. Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit. Speak to one another with psalms, hymns and spiritual songs. Sing and make music in your heart to the Lord, always giving thanks to God the Father for everything, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.
 
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Jewel5712 said:
WHO IS PROMTING DISOBEDIANCE TO GOD? I havent heard that from ANYONEon here..
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WHO DO YOU THINK ARE THOSE WHO MOCK, INSULT, BELITTLE AND CALL THEM NAMES, THOSE WHO PROMOTE OBEDIENCE TO GOD?
 
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New International Version 1984 Ephesians 5:1-21 Be imitators of God, therefore, as dearly loved children and live a life of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God. But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people. Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving. For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person—such a man is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore do not be partners with them. For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light (for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth) and find out what pleases the Lord. Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather EXPOSE THEM. For it is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret. But everything exposed by the light becomes visible, for it is light that makes everything visible. This is why it is said: “Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you.” Be very careful, then, how you live—not as unwise but as wise, making the most of every opportunity, because the days are evil. Therefore do not be foolish, but understand what the Lord’s will is. Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit. Speak to one another with psalms, hymns and spiritual songs. Sing and make music in your heart to the Lord, always giving thanks to God the Father for everything, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.
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I love the book of Ephesians...a lot of good stuff in there ..and thank you for posting references..just not sure what your post is directing too? I think all would agree on what you put in bold print but whats your purpose for doing it?
 
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Seohce said:
WHO DO YOU THINK ARE THOSE WHO MOCK, INSULT, BELITTLE AND CALL THEM NAMES, THOSE WHO PROMOTE OBEDIENCE TO GOD?
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Ok..im totally lost..who are you talking about to begin with?
 
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Seohce said:
WHO DO YOU THINK ARE THOSE WHO MOCK, INSULT, BELITTLE AND CALL THEM NAMES, THOSE WHO PROMOTE OBEDIENCE TO GOD?
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I see others CC users belittle..call names n sometimes mock other USERS on tgier lack of understanding or mis interpretation of Gods word but no one is doing those things REGARDING Gods Word..just when a user uses scripture out of context..etc..
 
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Ok..im totally lost..who are you talking about to begin with?
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THEY CANNOT PROMOTE OBEDIENCE TO GOD BECAUSE THAT WILL CONTRADICT THEIR FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINES.

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7 the sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. 8 Those controlled by the sinful nature cannot please God.
 
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Seohce said:
THEY CANNOT PROMOTE OBEDIENCE TO GOD BECAUSE THAT WILL CONTRADICT THEIR FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINES.

romans 8
7 the sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. 8 Those controlled by the sinful nature cannot please God.
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I think those verses are regarding the unsaved..;)
 
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Seohce said:
THEY CANNOT PROMOTE OBEDIENCE TO GOD BECAUSE THAT WILL CONTRADICT THEIR FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINES.

romans 8
7 the sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. 8 Those controlled by the sinful nature cannot please God.
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See..and again..theres so much MORE to those verses to get the complete concept..

Life Through the Spirit
8 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you[a] free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh,[b] God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering.[c] And so he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

5 Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. 6 The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace. 7 The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. 8 Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God.

9 You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ. 10 But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life[d]because of righteousness. 11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodiesbecause of[e] his Spirit who lives in you.

12 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. 13 For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live.

14 For those who are led by the Spirit of Godare the children of God. 15 The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship.[f] And by him we cry, “Abba,[g] Father.”16 The Spirit himself testifies with our spiritthat we are God’s children. 17 Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory."

I especially like verses 2 n 3 about not being "under the law" n why and also verses 9 n 10..

SEE how important it is to get the WHOLE concept???
 
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Jewel5712 said:
I think those verses are regarding the unsaved..;)
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Reminds me of 1 Cor 2:14:

The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.

Those who confess the basic biblical doctrines of Christianity such as the Trinity, the Deity of Christ, His physical resurrection, justification by grace through faith, etc., is affirming the necessary elements that must be held by faith to be Christian.
 
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Jewel5712 said:
I think those verses are regarding the unsaved..;)
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EXACTLY!

New International Version 1984 Ephesians 5:5-7 For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person—such a man is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore do not be partners with them.

New International Version 1984 1 Corinthians 5:9-13 I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked man from among you.”

NO-ONE CAN BE SAVED BY A FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINE. (Ref: mark 7:6-13)
 
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Reminds me of 1 Cor 2:14:

The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.

Those who confess the basic biblical doctrines of Christianity such as the Trinity, the Deity of Christ, His physical resurrection, justification by grace through faith, etc., is affirming the necessary elements that must be held by faith to be Christian.
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So regarding the first part of your post...the unsaved will have no "acceptance" of things and think its foolish etc..thats a no-brainer..
 
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EXACTLY!

New International Version 1984 Ephesians 5:5-7 For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person—such a man is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore do not be partners with them.

New International Version 1984 1 Corinthians 5:9-13 I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked man from among you.”

NO-ONE CAN BE SAVED BY A FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINE. (Ref: mark 7:6-13)
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Theres only ONE WAY to BECOME saved but that doesnt mean that AFTER youre saved youll LOSE IT

And yes..we are not supposed to assiciate in close company with drunkards..swindlers (the unsaved) because i think we as christians will be more easily tempted ourselves..we should INSTEAD witness to them..telling them of Jesus..

Again..talking about the saved and unsaved..not regarding the saved n the saved..
 
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This guy sounds angry for some reason because he is yelling in ALL CAPS. He really needs to chillax.
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I THINK YOU NEED TO BE GOD FOR YOU TO SEE MY HEART AND NOT JUDGE ME BY A MERE HUMAN JUDGMENT.

New International Version 1984 Romans 3:3-4 What if some did not have faith? Will their lack of faith nullify God’s faithfulness? Not at all! Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is written: “So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge.”
 
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