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BillG

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Well there you go getting all math technical and stuff. :p That actually makes it worse than I originally thought. When long ago 32 simple words said it all. Ephesians 2:8-9 8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
Oh so I didn't have to do all that mental math?
Sorry it's the accountant in me (ps I'm not as boring as those who think we are given our profession)

Amen for 32 simple words.

Hmm let me think, 32 words in Ephesians, so how many words are there in the Bible and how many pages and what period of time was period were they written over?

So here is the maths.

66 books.

Only joking:)
 
Oh so I didn't have to do all that mental math?
Sorry it's the accountant in me (ps I'm not as boring as those who think we are given our profession)

Amen for 32 simple words.

Hmm let me think, 32 words in Ephesians, so how many words are there in the Bible and how many pages and what period of time was period were they written over?

So here is the maths.

66 books.

Only joking:)
:LOL: 783,137 words in the King James Version. Linked: Fun with accountants. ;)
Titus 3:
4. But when the kindness of God our Savior and His love for mankind appeared, 5 He saved us, not by the righteous deeds we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of new birth and renewal by the Holy Spirit. 6 This is the Spirit He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior
 

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Lol.. My cats used to attentively watch BIG CAT DIARY on the animal planet chamnel (re big cats in africa..lions..chetahs etc)
We had a new addition to the family recently

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Not a cat.
She is 6 months old.
If she sees a cat or dog when watching TV with us she runs up to it and yaps away
 

BillG

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:LOL: 783,137 words in the King James Version. Linked: Fun with accountants. ;)
Titus 3:
4. But when the kindness of God our Savior and His love for mankind appeared, 5 He saved us, not by the righteous deeds we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of new birth and renewal by the Holy Spirit. 6 This is the Spirit He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior
Ah but what if you use the NIV and it's difference between the KJV.
727,969 words per the NIV

Is it material enough to qualify it and not sign off as giving a fair and true view.
 
Ah but what if you use the NIV and it's difference between the KJV.
727,969 words per the NIV

Is it material enough to qualify it and not sign off as giving a fair and true view.

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I'm not tellin. For the deep math pertaining to other versions ya gotta click the accountant link I shared. :p There are more words depending on the version.
 

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Hi Magenta...It is so nice to see you back sister...You have been greatly missed , I wandered often about you...Sending you lot`s of love my purple , Lavender , Lilac friend :)...xox...
 

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I realize that we can choose to block the false teachers but what of those that are either lost and seeking the truth or babes in Christ that can be deceived? Is it not better to ban these people seeing they are already accursed, according to Paul.

"I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed" (Galatians 1:6-9).

There is likely no legitimate reason to provide a free soapbox for those that deny the free gift of salvation and have departed from the old paths of God's truth.

"Remove not the ancient landmark, which thy fathers have set" (Proverbs 22:28).
WHAT A SHAME. NOTICE AND WATCH THESE OSAS PASTORS AND CHURCH LEADERS WHO CLAIM AND DECLARE THAT “FAITH ALONE” SAVES AND IT IS “NOT BY WÒRKS” OF RIGHTEOUSNESS AND OBEDIENCE, WHILE ON THE OTHER HAND COLLECTS TITHES FROM THEIR MEMBERS SAYING THAT IF THEY WOULD NOT GIVE TITHES, THEY ARE ROBBING GOD.

19 Their destiny is destruction, their god is their stomach, and their glory is in their shame.

..THAT TITHE-GIVING IS A TEST OF FAITH AND THAT GOD WILL BLESS THEM ABUNDANTLY BECAUSE WHAT THEY GIVE WILL COME BACK TO THEM IN GOOD MEASURE AND RUNNING OVER.(luke 6:38)

“NOT BY WORKS” OF THE LAW, THEY SAY, BUT THEY COLLECT TITHES ACCORDING TO THE LAW WHILE AT THE SAME TIME CLAIM THAT THEY ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW.

THEY HAVE CREATED A MAN MADE DOCTRINE PASSED ON FROM GENERATION TO GENERATION OUT OF A GOD-GIVEN LAW FOR HIS CHOSEN PEOPLE.

THAT’S HOW THESE VIPERS IN THEIR GREED AND HYPOCRISY DECEIVE THEIR PREYS.(UNKNOWING VICTIMS)

THEY THINK THEY CAN BR IBE GOD.

33 Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God!
How unsearchable his judgments,
and his paths beyond tracing out!
34 “Who has known the mind of the Lord?
Or who has been his counselor?”
35 “Who has ever given to God,
that God should repay them?”
36 For from him and through him and for him are all things.
To him be the glory forever! Amen.

THESE VIPERS WILL STILL BE SAVED ACCORDING TO THE OSAS DOCTRINE…

...WHICH IS CONTRARY TO WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES.

11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or GREEDY, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.

9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men 10 nor thieves nor the GREEDY nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

5 For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or GREEDY person—such a person is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. 7 Therefore do not be partners with them.

MAN GOT SEPARATED FROM GOD BECAUSE OF THE SIN OF DISOBEDIENCE WHEN MAN WAS DECEIVED BY THE SERPENT WHO SAID THAT “...Ye shall not surely die.”(genesis 3:4)

DÈCEIVERS OF THIS AGE SAYS THE SAME THING;

“YE SHALL NOT SURELY DIE (PERIßH / BE CONDEMNED). ONCE YOU'RE SAVED, YOU ARE ALWAYS ßAVED. JUST HAVE FAITH VOID OF WORKS (OF RIGHTEOUSNESS / ÒBEDIENCE) AND YOU WILL POSSESS ETERNAL LIFE THE MOMENT YOU BELIEVE

DO NOT BE DECEIVED!!!

OSAS AND FAS ARE FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINES!!!

3 What if some were unfaithful? Will their unfaithfulness nullify God’s faithfulness?4 Not at all! Let God be true, and every human being a liar. As it is written:

“So that you may be proved right when you speak
and prevail when you judge.”
 
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I realize that we can choose to block the false teachers but what of those that are either lost and seeking the truth or babes in Christ that can be deceived? Is it not better to ban these people seeing they are already accursed, according to Paul.

"I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed" (Galatians 1:6-9).

There is likely no legitimate reason to provide a free soapbox for those that deny the free gift of salvation and have departed from the old paths of God's truth.

"Remove not the ancient landmark, which thy fathers have set" (Proverbs 22:28).
Make no mistske migo....we have been firing the gospel non stop...a cursory read of the thread will leave no doubt and the correct message "gospel" can shine right through the working for false gospels peddled by the Cainologists and Pharisees.......
 

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Remember my prayer......tooth and nail.......!!! Time is short and there are many false gospels spewing from the Cainologists, workers for and Pharisees!!
dcon says;

BLAH BLAH BLAH more working for pseudo salvation.....My bible teaches salvation is a present CURRENT possession.....

Not by works of righte4 s7ousness which we have done, but according to his mercy HAS HE SAVED US <--PAST TENSE
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YES..JESUSe did become SIN for us....<--Only a deceiver would reject this truth as well....

He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

JESUS was BORN of a WOMAN, BORN UNDER THE LAW and “was CURSED” when he hung on a TREE....<--Only deceivers would reject the word of God which states as much....

Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us-- for it is written, "CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO HANGS ON A TREE "

FOLKS any and all who deny the above truths have proven they are not of GOD....DO NOT BELIEVE POST 59510..HE DENIES these truths and supplants them with HALF truths and deceit just like the garden when the serpent removed and then added his own words to the bible.......

dcontroversial said:

...”JESUS was BORN of a WOMAN, BORN UNDER THE LAW and “was CURSED” when he hung on a TREE....<--Only deceivers would reject the word of God which states as much....”

Seohce said;
THIS IS A CLEAR DECLARATION BY DCON THAT JESUS WAS “CURSED”.

WHO CURSED JESUS AND WHY?

I DECLARE THAT OUR LORD JESUS IS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD, PURE, HOLY AND UNDEFILED. HE IS THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE AND THE WORD THAT BECAME FLESH.

SINCE WHEN HAS THE GOSPEL CHANGED? WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT JESUS “WAS CURSED”?


... THAT IF YOU CONFESS WITH YOUR MOUTH “JESUS IS LORD” …...AND YOU WILL BE SAVED. (rom 10:9)

John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

1 Corinthians 15:1-4 Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain. For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,

God has said, “Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you.” So we say with confidence, “The Lord is my helper; I will not be afraid. What can man do to me?” Remember your leaders, who spoke the word of God to you. Consider the outcome of their way of life and imitate their faith. Jesus Christ is THE SAME yesterday and today and forever.(heb 13:5-8)

John 6:63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life.

Isaiah 5:20-24 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter. Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes and clever in their own sight. Woe to those who are heroes at drinking wine and champions at mixing drinks, who acquit the guilty for a bribe, but deny justice to the innocent. Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw and as dry grass sinks down in the flames, so their roots will decay and their flowers blow away like dust; for THEY HAVE REJECTED THE LAW OF THE LORD ALMIGHTY and SPURNED THE WORD OF THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL.

WOE TO THOSE WHO CALL JESUS “CURSED".

YOU HAVE TO GIVE ACCOUNT FOR THE FF;
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  1. FOR REJECTING THE LAW OF THE LORD ALMIGHTY
  2. FOR HAVING SPURNED THE WORD OF THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL
  3. FOR CALLING JESUS “CURSED".

1 Corinthians 12:3 Therefore I tell you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 12:36-37 But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken. For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.”
 
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NOW, that was not one of the answers. However, it is not what my second question is all about,
But it gave me a MAJOR clue where you are coming from, and it is a FALSE DOCTRINE.
Our SALVATION is NEVER in our hands to KEEP or to LOSE.
And just so you know, MOST OF US HERE, do NOT think our SALVATION can be KEPT BY US, because it is a FREE GIFT FROM GOD.


John 10:28-30 (HCSB)
28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish—ever! No one will snatch them out of My hand.
29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all. No one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.
30 The Father and I are one.”

Philippians 1:6 (HCSB)
6 I am sure of this, that He who started a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.

Jonah 2:9 (HCSB)
9 but as for me, I will sacrifice to You with a voice of thanksgiving. I will fulfill what I have vowed. Salvation is from the LORD!

Ephesians 2:8-9 (HCSB)
8 For you are saved by grace through faith, and this is not from yourselves; it is God’s gift
9 not from works, so that no one can boast.

Titus 3:5-7 (HCSB)
5 He saved us— not by works of righteousness that we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewal by the Holy Spirit.
6 He poured out this ⌊Spirit⌋ on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
7 so that having been justified by His grace, we may become heirs with the hope of eternal life.


And the
Coup de grâce
to your FALSE DOCTRINE of "we have to KEEP our Salvation or Lose it":


Romans 11:6 (HCSB)
6 Now if by grace, then it is not by works; otherwise grace ceases to be grace.


You are wasting your time on this site, almost all of us have the Holy Spirit in our hearts convincing us that we cannot earn our Salvation, NOR KEEP it by our Works. We wholeheartedly believe that our works HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH SALVATION, and ONLY confirm that WE LOVE HIM and OTHERS. Our Works are PART OF LOVE, Rom. 5:1-5, and not SALVATION; and we CANNOT BE SWAYED BY YOUR FALSE DOCTINE.

BYE NOW.
I think you misunderstood what she said......she missed the "o" and was saying that works have NO BEARING on us keeping or losing our salvation.
 
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I grew up Roman Catholic then converted to Mormonism - and the Lord saved me in 1976! The blood of Jesus Christ washed away all my filthy sins and am washed and clothed in His righteousness!

However, it doesn't much matter what we call ourselves as far as denominational badges go - but what God the Father calls us. We are either His blood-bought children or children of the other one, the god of this world.
Haahahha that was like outta the pan into the fire and like 3 or 4 fold the child of hell....from lost to Catholic to Mormon hahha thank the Lord above he opened your eyes migo.....Jesus alone deserves all the credit....exactly why a working for dogma is a slap in the face of Jesus and devalues hiw work, power, promises and faith....I DESPISE a working for false dogma!
 
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Im going to officially call you a moron because you take 4 words out of context and ASSUME my entire faith is based on those 4 words..have you NOT READ ANY OF MY OTHER POSTS? Assumably not or you would havr to take your big shoe out of your mouth with your "false doctorine" crap bout me..DO YOUR HOMEWORK FIRST BEFORE ACCUSING!
Hahah I knew you missed the "o" in NO BEARING......BUT I did have to read it twice only because I had jet lag hahahhah
 
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I am not a betting man, but it seems HIGHLY LIKELY that your Baptist Pastor would not agree with your, "we have to KEEP our Salvation or Lose it" theory.
Bro, she never said that.....she missed the "o" in No......go back and read it like that....she fully trusts Christ and is 100% secure and solid on eternal security.
 
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I think in my original post..due to me "losing letters" when typing on this site (that many others know) i put "n" bearing..it losts the "o" that shouldve been NO bearing on keeping or losing ones salvation..but VCO flipped out! Read post 70552...
I got it..........and knew you meant No Bearing..... haha ;)