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It is not ok to eat meat sacrified to idols.. According to the Messiah:

Revelation 2:14, "But I have a few things against you: you have some there who hold the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to put a stumbling block before the sons of Israel, so that they might eat food sacrificed to idols and practice sexual immorality."

Revelation 2:20, "But I have this against you, that you tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess and is teaching and seducing my servants to practice sexual immorality and to eat food sacrificed to idols."

are you really claiming that it is ok? To kill an animal in sacrifice to a pagan idol and eat it?

The Most High says to not even make or have idols... it is the 2nd Commandment...

Exodus 20:4-6,4 “You do not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of that which is in the heavens above, or which is in the earth beneath, or which is in the waters under the earth,"5 you do not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, יהוה your Elohim am a jealous Ěl, visiting the crookedness of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me,"6 but showing loving-commitment to thousands, to those who love Me and guard My commands."
Another thing I have noticed with you...you are as deceptive as they come....go quote where I said anything about killing an animal....man you are such a deceptive deceitful embellisher....just like the Pharisees.....twist crap so out of proportion and then lie wabout what was actually said.....!!!
 

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I know about this passage, I think it VITAL to read a few verses before that too, to understand what is really going on there:

Jeremiah 33:14-18,14 See, the days are coming,’ declares יהוה, ‘when I shall establish the good word which I have promised to the house of Yisra’ĕl and to the house of Yehuḏah:"15 In those days and at that time I cause a Branch of righteousness to spring forth for Dawiḏ. And He shall do right-ruling and righteousness in the earth."16 In those days Yehuḏah shall be saved, and Yerushalayim dwell in safety. And this is that which shall be proclaimed to her: ‘יהוה our Righteousness.’"17 “For thus said יהוה, ‘For Dawiḏ there is not to cease a man to sit on the throne of the house of Yisra’ĕl."18 And for the priests, the Lĕwites, there is not to cease a man to offer ascending offerings before Me, to kindle grain offerings, and to sacrifice continually.’ ”

I think Psalm 89 is vital here as are many other passages. AS Ps132,

Isaiah 9:7 Of the increase of His rule and peace there is no end, upon the throne of Dawiḏ and over His reign,a to establish it and sustain it with right-ruling and with righteousness from now on, even forever. The ardour of יהוה of hosts does this. Footnote: aSee Isa 16:5, Psa 2:1-12, Psa 45:6, Mic 5:2, Luk 1:32-33."

Hebrews 1:8-9,8 But to the Son He says, “Your throne, O Elohim, is forever and ever, a sceptre of straightness is the sceptre of Your reign."9 “You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness. Because of this, Elohim, Your Elohim, has anointed You with the oil of gladness more than Your companions.” Psa 45:6-7."



I did notice "until all things are fulfilled" and ALL is not YET fulfilled:

There are 2 "it is done" statements...

Fulfilled already
John 19:30, “So when יהושע took the sour wine He said, “It is done!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.”

To be fulfilled in the future
Revelation 21:4-8, “And Yah shall wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there shall be no more death, nor mourning, nor crying. And there shall be no more pain, for the former matters have passed away. And He who was sitting on the throne said, “See, I make all matters new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and trustworthy. And He said to me, “It is done! I am the ‘Aleph’ and the ‘Taw’, the Beginning and the End. To the one who thirsts I shall give of the fountain of the water of life without payment. The one who overcomes shall inherit all this, and I shall be his Strength and he shall be My son. But as for the cowardly, and untrustworthy, and abominable, and murderers, and those who whore, and drug sorcerers, and idolaters, and all the false, their part is in the lake which burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.”

There are hundreds of "Old Testament" prophecies that are still future.



Mat 7:12-14, "Therefore, all things you want men to do to you, do the same to them, for this is the (intent of the) Law and the Prophets. Enter in through the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many are those who go that way. Because straight is the gate, and narrow is the way which leads to life, and few there are who find it."

As for the trinity the main "trinity" verse is a well known forgery:

1 John/Yahanan 5:7-8, "For there are three which testify: The Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three are of one accord."

Altered text from the 9th - 15th century:

1 John/Yahanan 5:7-8, "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."

1 John 5:7-8, “Because there are three who bear witness: the Spirit, and the water, and the blood. And the three are in agreement."

‘Comma Johanneum’ or ‘the Heavenly Witnesses’ refers to a short clause in John 5:7-8 in the Latin Vulgate text which was transmitted since the Early Middle Ages. It was later included in the Textus Receptus (published in 1516) in support of trinity doctrine. The ‘comma’ does not appear in the older Greek text. The comma first appeared in the Vulgate manuscripts of the 9th century. The first Greek (Textus Receptus) manuscript that contains the comma dates from the 15th century. The comma is absent from the Ethiopiac, Aramaic, Syriac, Slavic, Armenian, Georgian, and Arabic translations of the Greek New Testament. The scholarly consensus is that that passage is a Latin corruption that entered the Greek manuscript tradition in some subsequent copies. As the ‘comma’ does not appear in the manuscript tradition of other languages.

I personally take joy in knowing YHWH is the Father and Yahshua is the Messiah, beyond that I dont get into to much of a debate or make a big deal. Nowhere does it say the trinity is a salvation issue in Scripture, so I like to spend my mind and heart seeking Yah.
Trinity..all same entinty..different purposes and in different forms...God the Father..Jesus His son and the Holy Spirit..
 

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Of course you reject the bible when it contradicts you law abiding rigmarole....I suggest you get over your rose colored law glasses which bind your hands and blinds your eyes to the New Testament...and my quote was valid deceiver!!!

Now about food sacrificed to idols: We know that “We all possess knowledge.” But knowledge puffs up while love builds up.2 Those who think they know something do not yet know as they ought to know. 3 But whoever loves God is known by God.[a]
4 So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that “An idol is nothing at all in the world” and that “There is no God but one.” 5 For even if there are so-called gods,whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”),6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father,from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
But not everyone possesses this knowledge. Some people are still so accustomed to idols that when they eat sacrificial food they think of it as having been sacrificed to a god, and since their conscience is weak, it is defiled. 8 But food does not bring us near to God; we are no worse if we do not eat, and no better if we do.
9 Be careful, however, that the exercise of your rights does not become a stumbling block to the weak
Ahh I see the venom is flowing freely...

Well the Messiah says no and so does Acts 15, that is enough evidence for me, for the Messiah is the King:

Revelation 2:14, "But I have a few things against you: you have some there who hold the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to put a stumbling block before the sons of Israel, so that they might eat food sacrificed to idols and practice sexual immorality."

Revelation 2:20, "But I have this against you, that you tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess and is teaching and seducing my servants to practice sexual immorality and to eat food sacrificed to idols."

Acts 15:28-29, “For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements: that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.”
 
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So are you saying that it is ok to "eat meat sacrificed to idols" as long as it is not done while having a sexual orgy?

I think both, either done alone or togather are not permissable.
Another example where you embellish what one has said to make an invalid point......very very deceptive....GOD would not lead one to be as deceptive as you are.....
 

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Another thing I have noticed with you...you are as deceptive as they come....go quote where I said anything about killing an animal....man you are such a deceptive deceitful embellisher....just like the Pharisees.....twist crap so out of proportion and then lie wabout what was actually said.....!!!
To sacrifice an animal, an animal as to be killed.

Really think about "eating meat sacrificed to an idol"

it can not be done without killing an animal...

I think this an important thing to think about when that is the actual topic.
 
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Ahh I see the venom is flowing freely...

Well the Messiah says no and so does Acts 15, that is enough evidence for me, for the Messiah is the King:

Revelation 2:14, "But I have a few things against you: you have some there who hold the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to put a stumbling block before the sons of Israel, so that they might eat food sacrificed to idols and practice sexual immorality."

Revelation 2:20, "But I have this against you, that you tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess and is teaching and seducing my servants to practice sexual immorality and to eat food sacrificed to idols."

Acts 15:28-29, “For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements: that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.”
Yeah who said that......NOT A MAN INSPIRED AS PAUL WAS.....see...you quote words that were not inspired.....just another HEBREW laying his Hebrew roots on people, binding their hands by religious hoop jumping...Hahahha no wonder you will not make the cut....you cannot even distinguish between who is inspired and who is not.....about as bad as quoting Satan in the garden as valid......
 

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Another example where you embellish what one has said to make an invalid point......very very deceptive....GOD would not lead one to be as deceptive as you are.....
You are being deceptive...

Bill said

Pagan feasts involved meat sacrifice and sexual orgies.
and we were discussing all things concerning this. You are isolating my word out of an ongoing conversation...
 

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John 14:23-26, “יהושע answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our stay with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me. These Words I have spoken to you while still with you. But the Helper, the Set-apart Spirit, whom the Father shall send in My Name, He shall teach you all, and remind you of all that I said to you.”
 
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To sacrifice an animal, an animal as to be killed.

Really think about "eating meat sacrificed to an idol"

it can not be done without killing an animal...

I think this an important thing to think about when that is the actual topic.
I think was was inspired and you are not anf he said it was ok because we KNOW IT IS MEAT AND AN IDOL.....you either receive him or not......you cannot pick a choose like Burger King pal.....
 

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Let me bring to your attention that MacArthur has said you can take the mark of the beast and still be saved, which is a very serious blunder to make. It was a Q&A session where someone asked if you can still be saved after taking the mark of the beast and he said yes and rambled on. As people caught wind of this and made all kinds of videos exposing him teaching falsehoods his follower Phil Johnson posted an article about the controversy, which you can read HERE and as you can see, they are teaching the same falsehood and babble on in this "correction" article.


To add insult to injury, johnny is a calvinist.

DID YOU READ THE READ OF THE ARTICLE that is the REBUTTAL of the opening Paragraph. That is the tactic of the Fake News Media, telling ONLY the Distorted part of the Story that Makes the Person they are talking about, LOOK BAD. Dr. John MacArthur DOES NOT ADVOCATE that anyone accept the Mark of the Beast at all. He was answering a question on how for would GOD's Grace and Mercy reach. And if GOD wanted to, He could even Save those who accept the Mark, and genuinely Repent. HOWEVER WE KNOW and Dr. MacArthur actually TEACHES, they will refuse to Repent.


Mark 3:28-30 (HCSB)
28 I assure you: People will be forgiven for all sins and whatever blasphemies they may blaspheme.

29 But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin”—
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because they were saying, “He has an unclean spirit.”


There is the ONLY ONE OF MANKIND'S SINS, that was NOT paid for on the Cross. The Holy Spirit will Try to get PEOPLE to Believe the TRUTH ABOUT CHRIST. If they REJECT that TRUTH, there is NOTHING LEFT that can SAVE them from Eternity in Hades/Hell, because they have Blasphemed the work of the HOLY SPIRIT.
 
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You are being deceptive...

Bill said



and we were discussing all things concerning this. You are isolating my word out of an ongoing conversation...
Not hardly....you accused Bill of saying that the above was acceptable...quit lyin
 

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John 14:23-26, “יהושע answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our stay with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me. These Words I have spoken to you while still with you. But the Helper, the Set-apart Spirit, whom the Father shall send in My Name, He shall teach you all, and remind you of all that I said to you.”
Good scripture but my reference doesnt day" set apart spirit"..

“All this I have spoken while still with you.26 But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. 27 Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.
 

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Not hardly....you accused Bill of saying that the above was acceptable...quit lyin
You feeling ok?

So are you saying that it is ok to "eat meat sacrificed to idols" as long as it is not done while having a sexual orgy?

I think both, either done alone or togather are not permissable.
 

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John 8:51 “Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone guards My Word he shall never see death at all.”





John 12:25-26, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it remains alone. But if it dies, it bears much fruit. He who loves his life shall lose it, and he who hates his life in this world shall preserve it for everlasting life." Whoever serves me must follow me; and where I am, my servant also will be. My Father will honor the one who serves me.”





John/Yahanan 10:16, "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice. So there will be one flock, one Shepherd (4166 – poimén)."





Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”
 

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I think was was inspired and you are not anf he said it was ok because we KNOW IT IS MEAT AND AN IDOL.....you either receive him or not......you cannot pick a choose like Burger King pal.....
Ahhhh..you burst my burger king bubble :( ill take a whopper no cheese or tomato..whoops..im being a 'strawman' again..lol
 
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Ahhhh..you burst my burger king bubble :( ill take a whopper no cheese or tomato..whoops..im being a 'strawman' again..lol
I get sick of the Pharisees and lawyers and working for Cainologists rejecting the words of Paul who was taught by direct revelation from Jesus, was inspired of God and wrote the words of Jesus......he wrote almost 1/2 of the N.T. and his words are the words of God.....it peeves me off and really fires me up when these deceivers reject the word of God at the hand of Paul.......
 

Jewel5712

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I get sick of the Pharisees and lawyers and working for Cainologists rejecting the words of Paul who was taught by direct revelation from Jesus, was inspired of God and wrote the words of Jesus......he wrote almost 1/2 of the N.T. and his words are the words of God.....it peeves me off and really fires me up when these deceivers reject the word of God at the hand of Paul.......
I can SEE that..is that called a modern day zeolot? ;)