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Why don't you relax, we are plenty awake. Would you not say that our faith will have works after we have been saved by grace? You keep implying we are trying to be saved by works, not true. I did not do anything to receive God's gift of life. Just like you, I was saved by grace.
Now, I do many different things than I did as an unbeliever. Next, someone comes along and condemns me for keeping the 10 Commandments. I have been to the mission field and worked drug rehab in Oakland, Cal. This was during the crack epidemic from 1985-1992. God has brought me down a path of faith that most wouldn't believe. When I get nervous is when I have no works.
Now, I do many different things than I did as an unbeliever. Next, someone comes along and condemns me for keeping the 10 Commandments. I have been to the mission field and worked drug rehab in Oakland, Cal. This was during the crack epidemic from 1985-1992. God has brought me down a path of faith that most wouldn't believe. When I get nervous is when I have no works.
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Dr. Martin would vehemently object to some of things you have been telling us. And you went from Dr. Walter Martin, to Trinity Broadcasting, the OPPOSITE side of the spectrum as far as I am concerned. Dr. Martin was a hardcore, conservative, Evangelical as you get, and then you go to the opposite side of theology, Trinity Broadcasting is mostly promoting Easy Believism, and Word of Faith Movement, both are false teachers in my opinion. No wonder your theology got so messed up.
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Like I said the discussion was about meat offered to idols not clean and unclean meats. A strawman with redirect an argument into another topic, just like you did.
The point I was trying to make is that in the OT certain foods were forbidden to eat because they were unclean so is that different to food sacrificed to idols?
All are prohibited and if one indulged in any is that not sin.
I was trying to draw a response.
I do see what you are saying though and thanks for clarifying.
I will let it go now
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@dcontroversal ..hiya d..bout TIME you joined in..
I agree and am a firm believer in:
Proverbs 22:4-6,4 The reward of humility is the fear of יהוה, Riches, and esteem and life."5 Thorns, snares are in the way of the perverse; He who guards his life keeps far away from them."6 Train up a child in the way he should go, Even when he is old he turns not away from it."
If the majority of humans were taught the teachings of Yahshua/Jesus the world would be a different place. Rather most are brought up by movies, music, etc.
It is sad to think so many get misled while they could be taught about Yahushua, well may Yah guide us and strengthen us to do His will and may others seed grow in Yah!
Proverbs 22:4-6,4 The reward of humility is the fear of יהוה, Riches, and esteem and life."5 Thorns, snares are in the way of the perverse; He who guards his life keeps far away from them."6 Train up a child in the way he should go, Even when he is old he turns not away from it."
If the majority of humans were taught the teachings of Yahshua/Jesus the world would be a different place. Rather most are brought up by movies, music, etc.
It is sad to think so many get misled while they could be taught about Yahushua, well may Yah guide us and strengthen us to do His will and may others seed grow in Yah!
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Of course you reject the bible when it contradicts you law abiding rigmarole....I suggest you get over your rose colored law glasses which bind your hands and blinds your eyes to the New Testament...and my quote was valid deceiver!!!
Now about food sacrificed to idols: We know that “We all possess knowledge.” But knowledge puffs up while love builds up.2 Those who think they know something do not yet know as they ought to know. 3 But whoever loves God is known by God.[a]
4 So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that “An idol is nothing at all in the world” and that “There is no God but one.” 5 For even if there are so-called gods,whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”),6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father,from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
But not everyone possesses this knowledge. Some people are still so accustomed to idols that when they eat sacrificial food they think of it as having been sacrificed to a god, and since their conscience is weak, it is defiled. 8 But food does not bring us near to God; we are no worse if we do not eat, and no better if we do.
9 Be careful, however, that the exercise of your rights does not become a stumbling block to the weak
Of course you reject the bible when it contradicts you law abiding rigmarole....I suggest you get over your rose colored law glasses which bind your hands and blinds your eyes to the New Testament...and my quote was valid deceiver!!!
Now about food sacrificed to idols: We know that “We all possess knowledge.” But knowledge puffs up while love builds up.2 Those who think they know something do not yet know as they ought to know. 3 But whoever loves God is known by God.[a]
4 So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that “An idol is nothing at all in the world” and that “There is no God but one.” 5 For even if there are so-called gods,whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”),6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father,from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
But not everyone possesses this knowledge. Some people are still so accustomed to idols that when they eat sacrificial food they think of it as having been sacrificed to a god, and since their conscience is weak, it is defiled. 8 But food does not bring us near to God; we are no worse if we do not eat, and no better if we do.
9 Be careful, however, that the exercise of your rights does not become a stumbling block to the weak
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I know about this passage, I think it VITAL to read a few verses before that too, to understand what is really going on there:
Jeremiah 33:14-18,14 See, the days are coming,’ declares יהוה, ‘when I shall establish the good word which I have promised to the house of Yisra’ĕl and to the house of Yehuḏah:"15 In those days and at that time I cause a Branch of righteousness to spring forth for Dawiḏ. And He shall do right-ruling and righteousness in the earth."16 In those days Yehuḏah shall be saved, and Yerushalayim dwell in safety. And this is that which shall be proclaimed to her: ‘יהוה our Righteousness.’"17 “For thus said יהוה, ‘For Dawiḏ there is not to cease a man to sit on the throne of the house of Yisra’ĕl."18 And for the priests, the Lĕwites, there is not to cease a man to offer ascending offerings before Me, to kindle grain offerings, and to sacrifice continually.’ ”
I think Psalm 89 is vital here as are many other passages. AS Ps132,
Isaiah 9:7 Of the increase of His rule and peace there is no end, upon the throne of Dawiḏ and over His reign,a to establish it and sustain it with right-ruling and with righteousness from now on, even forever. The ardour of יהוה of hosts does this. Footnote: aSee Isa 16:5, Psa 2:1-12, Psa 45:6, Mic 5:2, Luk 1:32-33."
Hebrews 1:8-9,8 But to the Son He says, “Your throne, O Elohim, is forever and ever, a sceptre of straightness is the sceptre of Your reign."9 “You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness. Because of this, Elohim, Your Elohim, has anointed You with the oil of gladness more than Your companions.” Psa 45:6-7."
I did notice "until all things are fulfilled" and ALL is not YET fulfilled:
There are 2 "it is done" statements...
Fulfilled already
John 19:30, “So when יהושע took the sour wine He said, “It is done!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.”
To be fulfilled in the future
Revelation 21:4-8, “And Yah shall wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there shall be no more death, nor mourning, nor crying. And there shall be no more pain, for the former matters have passed away. And He who was sitting on the throne said, “See, I make all matters new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and trustworthy. And He said to me, “It is done! I am the ‘Aleph’ and the ‘Taw’, the Beginning and the End. To the one who thirsts I shall give of the fountain of the water of life without payment. The one who overcomes shall inherit all this, and I shall be his Strength and he shall be My son. But as for the cowardly, and untrustworthy, and abominable, and murderers, and those who whore, and drug sorcerers, and idolaters, and all the false, their part is in the lake which burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.”
There are hundreds of "Old Testament" prophecies that are still future.
Mat 7:12-14, "Therefore, all things you want men to do to you, do the same to them, for this is the (intent of the) Law and the Prophets. Enter in through the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many are those who go that way. Because straight is the gate, and narrow is the way which leads to life, and few there are who find it."
As for the trinity the main "trinity" verse is a well known forgery:
1 John/Yahanan 5:7-8, "For there are three which testify: The Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three are of one accord."
Altered text from the 9th - 15th century:
1 John/Yahanan 5:7-8, "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."
1 John 5:7-8, “Because there are three who bear witness: the Spirit, and the water, and the blood. And the three are in agreement."
‘Comma Johanneum’ or ‘the Heavenly Witnesses’ refers to a short clause in John 5:7-8 in the Latin Vulgate text which was transmitted since the Early Middle Ages. It was later included in the Textus Receptus (published in 1516) in support of trinity doctrine. The ‘comma’ does not appear in the older Greek text. The comma first appeared in the Vulgate manuscripts of the 9th century. The first Greek (Textus Receptus) manuscript that contains the comma dates from the 15th century. The comma is absent from the Ethiopiac, Aramaic, Syriac, Slavic, Armenian, Georgian, and Arabic translations of the Greek New Testament. The scholarly consensus is that that passage is a Latin corruption that entered the Greek manuscript tradition in some subsequent copies. As the ‘comma’ does not appear in the manuscript tradition of other languages.
I personally take joy in knowing YHWH is the Father and Yahshua is the Messiah, beyond that I dont get into to much of a debate or make a big deal. Nowhere does it say the trinity is a salvation issue in Scripture, so I like to spend my mind and heart seeking Yah.
Jeremiah 33:14-18,14 See, the days are coming,’ declares יהוה, ‘when I shall establish the good word which I have promised to the house of Yisra’ĕl and to the house of Yehuḏah:"15 In those days and at that time I cause a Branch of righteousness to spring forth for Dawiḏ. And He shall do right-ruling and righteousness in the earth."16 In those days Yehuḏah shall be saved, and Yerushalayim dwell in safety. And this is that which shall be proclaimed to her: ‘יהוה our Righteousness.’"17 “For thus said יהוה, ‘For Dawiḏ there is not to cease a man to sit on the throne of the house of Yisra’ĕl."18 And for the priests, the Lĕwites, there is not to cease a man to offer ascending offerings before Me, to kindle grain offerings, and to sacrifice continually.’ ”
I think Psalm 89 is vital here as are many other passages. AS Ps132,
Isaiah 9:7 Of the increase of His rule and peace there is no end, upon the throne of Dawiḏ and over His reign,a to establish it and sustain it with right-ruling and with righteousness from now on, even forever. The ardour of יהוה of hosts does this. Footnote: aSee Isa 16:5, Psa 2:1-12, Psa 45:6, Mic 5:2, Luk 1:32-33."
Hebrews 1:8-9,8 But to the Son He says, “Your throne, O Elohim, is forever and ever, a sceptre of straightness is the sceptre of Your reign."9 “You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness. Because of this, Elohim, Your Elohim, has anointed You with the oil of gladness more than Your companions.” Psa 45:6-7."
I did notice "until all things are fulfilled" and ALL is not YET fulfilled:
There are 2 "it is done" statements...
Fulfilled already
John 19:30, “So when יהושע took the sour wine He said, “It is done!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.”
To be fulfilled in the future
Revelation 21:4-8, “And Yah shall wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there shall be no more death, nor mourning, nor crying. And there shall be no more pain, for the former matters have passed away. And He who was sitting on the throne said, “See, I make all matters new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and trustworthy. And He said to me, “It is done! I am the ‘Aleph’ and the ‘Taw’, the Beginning and the End. To the one who thirsts I shall give of the fountain of the water of life without payment. The one who overcomes shall inherit all this, and I shall be his Strength and he shall be My son. But as for the cowardly, and untrustworthy, and abominable, and murderers, and those who whore, and drug sorcerers, and idolaters, and all the false, their part is in the lake which burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.”
There are hundreds of "Old Testament" prophecies that are still future.
Mat 7:12-14, "Therefore, all things you want men to do to you, do the same to them, for this is the (intent of the) Law and the Prophets. Enter in through the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many are those who go that way. Because straight is the gate, and narrow is the way which leads to life, and few there are who find it."
As for the trinity the main "trinity" verse is a well known forgery:
1 John/Yahanan 5:7-8, "For there are three which testify: The Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three are of one accord."
Altered text from the 9th - 15th century:
1 John/Yahanan 5:7-8, "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."
1 John 5:7-8, “Because there are three who bear witness: the Spirit, and the water, and the blood. And the three are in agreement."
‘Comma Johanneum’ or ‘the Heavenly Witnesses’ refers to a short clause in John 5:7-8 in the Latin Vulgate text which was transmitted since the Early Middle Ages. It was later included in the Textus Receptus (published in 1516) in support of trinity doctrine. The ‘comma’ does not appear in the older Greek text. The comma first appeared in the Vulgate manuscripts of the 9th century. The first Greek (Textus Receptus) manuscript that contains the comma dates from the 15th century. The comma is absent from the Ethiopiac, Aramaic, Syriac, Slavic, Armenian, Georgian, and Arabic translations of the Greek New Testament. The scholarly consensus is that that passage is a Latin corruption that entered the Greek manuscript tradition in some subsequent copies. As the ‘comma’ does not appear in the manuscript tradition of other languages.
I personally take joy in knowing YHWH is the Father and Yahshua is the Messiah, beyond that I dont get into to much of a debate or make a big deal. Nowhere does it say the trinity is a salvation issue in Scripture, so I like to spend my mind and heart seeking Yah.
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