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limey410

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sinners have to repent and are not chosen when they sin... coz sin is of the evil one...
Yes, and that battle has already been won. Not by me, not by you, our lives aren't worth that. Only Jesus! For that I am thankful, my repentance is demonstrated by my faith that it was real. Not by a constant state of being repentant. That would just paralyze me.
I am moving forward with God in His Glory, by His grace. My focus is on Him, not on repeating a cycle and going back to the battle that is finished. I am in a state of constant thankfulness to Him. I live out of the abundance of what He has already given me, which is everything I need for life and godliness. Satan has done a work on believers by paralyzing them with this constant fear of sin. (Usually other peoples sin). Your relationship with God can only truly grow when you move on and stop believing that God holds your sin against you.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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The promises are conditional on the believer remaining in the faith. He will not drag you into heaven kicking and screaming against it.

He is also not going to give you a gift paid for by his own blood knowing that you do not really want it to begin with, and knowing you will deny him in the future.

God is not like man, He knew everything you would ever think, and do before you were even born.
 

BillG

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seariously... i didnt expect this from you..:( being in a state of repentance is Good brother.
No upset intended

I was just trying to draw from you what you meant when you posted

yes mate spot on as bad works will send you to hell and sinners have to repent and are not chosen when they sin coz sin is of the evil one
In a sense what I saw was you have sinners need to repent. Who are those sinners?
Believers or non beleivers or both?

I was trying to ask you to expand your position. That's all
 

BillG

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The promises are conditional on the believer remaining in the faith. He will not drag you into heaven kicking and screaming against it.
Hi Chris

What does Jesus say about the lost sheep?
 

AllenW

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The promises are conditional on the believer remaining in the faith. He will not drag you into heaven kicking and screaming against it.
I gave you Scripture.
Now you give me some.
Or is this just your opinion?
Your opinion doesn't hold up against God's Word.
 
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No upset intended

I was just trying to draw from you what you meant when you posted



In a sense what I saw was you have sinners need to repent. Who are those sinners?
Believers or non beleivers or both?

I was trying to ask you to expand your position. That's all
No i was simply implying that repentance is a Good works that must come from the believer... even if it repenting for not doing enough..

It was you who took offence not me i only said repent.. Now dont get me wrong here but to repent is to be humble too...

So where is your humblesness if ye say you are my brother why do you get mad at being asked to repent...
 
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And yet Jesus Himself said " The Holy Spirit will be in you forever" John 14:16

Is Jesus now a liar? Did Jesus actually accomplish anything with His work on the cross and resurrection. Does the blood of Jesus have any worth?

If we keep mixing up the Covenants - we will end up in a complete mess and it creates a works-based belief system that denies Christ and His work on the cross and resurrection.

Saul is not indicative of a New Covenant believer that is sealed in Christ for all eternity because of what Christ has done.

Lord send us more missionaries to help the unbelieving Christians to see You and all that You have done on the cross and in the resurrection.
Did Jesus die and rise from the dead so you could go on sinning?

Imagine your life is on the line. What you have to do is list all the sins
you know or condemn yourself about and find them in scripture.

After listening to many I am sure the sins they feel bad about are not
listed but the real issues are, and the ones they feel worst about, God
has forgiven them but they cannot.

So many talk in generalities, it could mean anything, and they are scared
to face the truth. Our lives depend on these things, or you think sin is just
General and not specific to YOU!!!!

Until people start to see themselves as Christ does, warts and all little will
progress. God bless you all, saved and unsaved, young and old, rich and
poor, wise and challenged
 
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I hope i have raised your eyebrows...that was my intension of a good work today..
 

Magenta

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No i was simply implying that repentance is a Good works that must come from the believer... even if it repenting for not doing enough..

It was you who took offence not me i only said repent.. Now dont get me wrong here but to repent is to be humble too...

So where is your humblesness if ye say you are my brother why do you get mad at being asked to repent...
Why do you say he is mad? His is a gentle spirit...
 

BillG

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He is also not going to give you a gift paid for by his own blood knowing that you do not really want it to begin with, and knowing you will deny him in the future.

God is not like man, He knew everything you would ever think, and do before you were even born.
Very intersting.

We as limited tempora human beings can judge based only on what we see. That's outward workings.
Yet we dont know what truly is going on inside a persons heart.

A person may be really really struggling and may not act as they should and walk as the should.

BUT in their heart they are crying out to God "I need you, I hate what I'm doing, I don't get what I'm doing please please help me"

I had a severe gambling problem, hated it with passion. The truth is it was an escape as a result of my faulty believe of me as as a person and my hurts from past experiences and how I felt how god felt about me.

A useless person, not fit for purpose and unless I shaped up I'd be shipped out.

Yet something changed.

Someone who had no idea what I was going through pulled me aside and said "continue to be like Jacob"

Then it hit me.

God I will not let go, I'm gonna cling on and on to you.

That reversed what some said to me "Stop gambling and God will bless you"

See the difference between the two?

I have not gambled for the last 7 years and not even had an urge to. This is a man who would find himself gambling and had no idea he was actually in a gambling establishment.
 

AllenW

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Okay, where's the good works in all this arguing?

Time for a jelly roll gum drop.
 

BillG

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No i was simply implying that repentance is a Good works that must come from the believer... even if it repenting for not doing enough..

It was you who took offence not me i only said repent.. Now dont get me wrong here but to repent is to be humble too...

So where is your humblesness if ye say you are my brother why do you get mad at being asked to repent...
Off the mark my friend.

I did not take offence I just asked you questions.
You seem to have taken offence by saying

serously I didn't expect this from you
So honestly my friend I have not taken offence or been offended and I really don't understand why I have offended you.
 

BillG

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another raised eyebrow lol...
Come on let's be serious we all know the answer.

Did Jesus die so we could keep on sinning?
Romans 6 addressed this with the answer?

Yet to to raise an eyebrow and condemn let's explain it to those that done realise that it's not right to walk in this way, cause that's what Gods grace was meant for.