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Studyman

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I'm really getting tired of responding to your long winded rants (full of scripture twisting, Hebrew Roots propaganda and rhetoric) only to have what I say (especially about the gospel) fall on deaf ears. So what is your ultimate goal in your continued long winded rants and obsession with the law? What is your ultimate goal in making continued false accusations about believers who disagree with you of holding to ancient religious traditions?

Are you ultimately trying to say that those of us who disagree with your perverted gospel are following ancient religious traditions and won't be saved (for lack of properly obeying the law), but you are properly obeying the law and will be saved based on that? Why do you continually obsess over the law/10 commandments (with a heavy emphasis on obsessing over the 4th commandment in SDA fashion)? What is your angle? :unsure: What do YOU believe the gospel IS and what do YOU believe it means to BELIEVE the gospel? (Romans 1:16)

Also, do you believe that the Church is under the old covenant, the new covenant, a combination of both or neither covenant? :unsure:

What else can you do but change the subject and deflect. I posted what God's New Covenant is, according to HIM, and you reject it for your own religion.

I believe I am under God's New Covenant, not yours.
 

mailmandan

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No Dan, it's about the religions and religious traditions and doctrines of the world which you promote VS. What the Word of God which became Flesh, actually teaches.

As the scriptures clearly demonstrate.
Why don't you name all the "religious traditions" and "doctrines of the world" that I "allegedly" promote that you condemn me for. :unsure:

The Word of God does not teach your perverted gospel of salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works" (Galatians 1:6-9) but the Word of God does teach salvation by grace through faith, not works. (Ephesians 2:8,9) It's really simple! The gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16). To "believe" the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation. (y)
 

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What else can you do but change the subject and deflect. I posted what God's New Covenant is, according to HIM, and you reject it for your own religion.

I believe I am under God's New Covenant, not yours.
I don't reject God's New Covenant. I just reject your Hebrew Roots religion that you call God's New Covenant and I also reject your perverted gospel that is not part of God's New Covenant.
 

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What things were written that John is speaking about so that we may believe?

1 John 5:
1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Matt. 7:
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. (Lawlessness)

There are folks who believe they are "Saved" that are not. This is a undeniable Biblical Fact. They believe in a "Christ", just not the one taught in the Bible.

you don't believe you're saved?
is that true?
 
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I am just going to tell you this one time, you will reject it , as you do all the truth you have been told by posthuman and others, you and your know-it-all-need - no- one-to-teach -me garbage theology, but here you go-

Leviticus 26- v. 40 - 46- God specifically tells Moses about the covenant he made with Jacob, Isaac, Abraham,.

then God states that even though Israel had sinned, broke the covenant , and were not in their land, that He would remember the Covenant he made with their ancestors He brought out of Egypt.

so, unless you can trace your ancestors back to the Red sea crossing, then that Covenant was not made with you.

and, what does verse 46 say? " these are the decrees, laws, regulations that the Lord established at Mt. Sinai between Himself and Israel through Moses.

so, their goes your Abraham had the Torah lie.

specific language here. very specific. of course, you will now lie and spin and defend your religion , but you cannot change the meaning of this Scripture.

good day. good luck. Trinity is truth. oneness is lies. Jesus was fully God and man on earth.
AMEN to the truth and I fully agree with your assessment.......ALL of it...........!
 
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Yes and yes.

Same God and you need to stop confusing religion with a personal relationship with Jesus Christ (John 17:3).

Old Covenant under the Law of Moses. Read it in context Exodus 12:43-50.

Romans 4:13 - For the promise that he would be the heir of the world was not to Abraham or to his seed through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if those who are of the law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise made of no effect, 15 because the law brings about wrath; for where there is no law there is no transgression. 16 Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all.

Be sure to read this revelation to Pau from Jesus Christ: Galatians 1:11 - For I would have you know, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. 12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ.

Believers understand that the gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16). To "believe" the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation.

Paul also goes on to say in Ephesians 3:1-9:

1 - For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for you Gentiles— 2 if indeed you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which was given to me for you, 3 how that by revelation He made known to me the mystery (as I have briefly written already, 4 by which, when you read, you may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ), 5 which in other ages was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets: 6 that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel, 7 of which I became a minister according to the gift of the grace of God given to me by the effective working of His power. 8 To me, who am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ, 9 and to make all see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ.

Those who repent (change their mind) and place their faith in Jesus Christ for salvation (Acts 11:17,18; 20:21) and by doing so turn to God and works which follow are the fruit of repentance, (Matthew 3:8) but not the essence of repentance and also not the means of our salvation (Ephesians 2:8,9).

Galatians 3:28 - There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

This is old covenant, not new covenant. You continue to mix the old and new covenants and the end result is disastrous! - salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works." :eek:

Stop confusing the old covenant (for Jews under the law of Moses and Gentiles that join themselves to the Lord under the old covenant) with Jew and Gentile believers under the new covenant who are all baptized by one Spirit into one body, so the Gentiles are fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel (1 Corinthians 12:13; Ephesians 3:1-9). (y)

If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood (and the law given to the people established that priesthood) why was there still need for another priest to come, one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron? For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also (Hebrews 7:11-12).

The law was, in fact, changed when the new covenant was established! That's why Hebrews 4:9 uses the word sabbatismos (Sabbath rest) rather than sabbaton (Sabbath day). *Sabbatismos is only used once in the Bible. *Had the writer of Hebrews desired to emphasize the seventh day for sacred worship, the word sabbaton would have been used. Instead, Hebrews 4:9 describes a daily worship experience that brings us back to the Edenic ideal. Adam and Eve weren't given a particular day for worship. They were given every day for worship. Their Sabbath rest was to be perpetual. It was to be an every day experience of rest in fellowship with their Creator. Thus, Hebrews 4 tells us there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God and here the Sabbath rest is the perpetual rest to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with Jesus Christ, in contrast to keeping the weekly seventh day Sabbath under the Law.

The change from old covenant to new covenant is much more comprehensive than you had even imagined! :D
Amazing how the truth sets us free from false religion peddled by men like a rickshaw driver at the airport seeking a fare....
 
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Sorry this is a false statement. Nowhere in the bible does it say that obedience is required for salvation. For example; the obedience of water baptism; confession of the believer; "loving God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength, and love your neighbor as yourself." All of these acts of love are essential to the life of a believer but they come "after you are saved."

"Faith" and "Salvation" are absolutely essential for a true born again believer and both faith and salvation cannot be earned, they are a gift of God.

Every attribute of love can be said is true of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. And Jesus learned obedience through suffering and so will Christians do the same, "after we are saved"

Quote Argueless: "We cannot separate "obedience from salvation" for "THEY ARE WHAT LOVE IS."
We obey our Lord and Savior because He first "Loved us."

Where did you learn these things, are you a Catholic? We are saved by grace through faith, "Not By Works"

Ephesians2:8,9
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For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the "gift of God",9) "not by works", so that no one can boast

Hebrews5:8,9
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Son though he was, he learned obedience from what he suffered 9) and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him

1Corinthians13:4-8,13
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Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5) It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6) Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7) It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8) Love never fails.

13And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.



I said the same thing to no avail...........remember the old Saturday morning song.....conjunction junction what's your function, hooking up words, phrases and clauses......

I have a new version that accurately describes the workers for, Cainologists, Pharisees and those who conflate truths to peddle error....

CONFLATION STATION what's your function...ruining the truth and trashing the gospel.....
 
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can i get a witness?

1 John 5:13
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
He that believes on the SON IS HAVING everlasting life.
 
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How Can you get so much Right, and then go SO TOTALLY WRONG DURING THIS STATEMENT.

SALVATION has NEVER BEEN PART OF OBEDIENCE!

OBEDIENCE IS PART OF THE LOVE THAT GOD POURED INTO OUR HEARTS, AT THE MOMENT THE HOLY SPIRIT CAME INTO OUR HEARTS.

Romans 5:1-10 (NASB)
1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
2 through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand; and we exult in hope of the glory of God.
3 And not only this, but we also exult in our tribulations, knowing that tribulation brings about perseverance;
4 and perseverance, proven character; and proven character, hope;
5 and hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.
6 For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly.
7 For one will hardly die for a righteous man; though perhaps for the good man someone would dare even to die.
8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.
10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.


WE WERE SAVED BEFORE WE EVER DID ANY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, WHILE WE WERE STILL ENEMIES OF GOD.

NOTICE IN VERSE 5 above, GOD's LOVE was poured into our HEARTS (Human Spirit), and then that LOVE IN US SPAWNS THE SAME KIND OF LOVE TOWARDS GOD AND THE BRETHREN. SEE IT, it is PART OF GOD's LOVE that was Poured into our HEARTS.

Read 1 John 3:14-19, it will explain it to you that OBEDIENCE is PART OF THE LOVE GOD POURED INTO OUR HEARTS.

1 John 3:17 (HCSB)
17 If anyone has this world’s goods and sees his brother in need but closes his eyes to his ⌊need⌋
—how can God’s love reside in him?

1 John 5:3 (HCSB)
3 For this is what love for God is: to keep His commands. Now His commands are not a burden,


OBEDIENCE IS PART OF LOVE, and that LOVE CAME FROM GOD!
Simple....a failure in A, B or Both...

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mailmandan

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As long as I believe on the Word of God which became Flesh, according to His definition of "Believe" then yes, I shall die, but I have faith that He will raise me from the dead and give me the gift of immortality, a gift I do not yet have.
You mean, as long as you believe on the Word of God, according to YOUR definition of "Believe" then you have your fingers crossed that you will receive the gift of eternal life based on the merits of your performance/law keeping. So what is the passing grade? Does God grade on a curve? :unsure:

Matt.7:22
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. (Lawlessness)
In Matthew 7:23, the NASB says - ..you who practice lawlessness. - "descriptive of children of the devil."

1 John 3:4 - Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness. 5 You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin. 6 No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him. 7 Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; 8 the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. 9 No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.

He said we are to "live by EVERY WORD of God". That would include these scriptures as well, yes? What if don't believe these Words?
What if you manipulate those Words to teach salvation by works? Is that living by EVERY WORD of God? These many people (unbelievers) in Matthew 7:22 had the wrong foundation. It wasn't that they had the wrong works and just didn't have all the right works. The problem was they were trusting in their works to save them and NOT IN CHRIST ALONE. *Jesus NEVER knew them which means they were NEVER saved.

John 17:3 - And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent (which is an intimate, experiential knowledge, found only in a relationship). The term "know" implies intimate, experiential knowledge, through a personal relationship with the Lord and not merely theoretical knowledge.

The hearts of these many people in Matthew 7:22 were not right with God, so their attempted external obedience was stained with sin. *Seeking salvation by works is not the will of the Father. (Matthew 7:21)

John 6:40 - For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in Him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.

Shall I be saved anyway in your religion?
We are not saved by religion, but by grace through faith in Jesus Christ and not by works (Ephesians 2:8,9).
 
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theanointedsinner

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You mean, as long as you believe on the Word of God, according to YOUR definition of "Believe" then you have your fingers crossed that you will receive the gift of eternal life based on the merits of your performance/law keeping.

In Matthew 7:23, the NASB says - ..you who practice lawlessness.

1 John 3:4 - Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness. 5 You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin. 6 No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him. 7 Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; 8 the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. 9 No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.

What if you manipulate those Words to teach salvation by works? Is that living by EVERY WORD of God? These many people (unbelievers) in Matthew 7:22 had the wrong foundation. It wasn't that they had the wrong works, but that they were trusting in their works to save them and NOT IN CHRIST ALONE. Jesus NEVER knew them which means they were NEVER saved.

John 17:3 - And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent (which is an intimate, experiential knowledge, found only in a relationship). The term "know" implies intimate, experiential knowledge, through a personal relationship with the Lord and not merely theoretical knowledge.

The hearts of these many people in Matthew 7:22 were not right with God, so their attempted external obedience was stained with sin. *Seeking salvation by works is not the will of the Father. (Matthew 7:21)

John 6:40 - For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in Him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.

We are not saved by religion, but by grace through faith in Jesus Christ and not by works (Ephesians 2:8,9).
a birthday wish can take care of that, but that logic, just blow out the candle, by that logic
 
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theanointedsinner

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a birthday wish can take care of that, but that logic, just blow out the candle, by that logic
a birthday wish can take care of that, by that logic, (the person mailman is referring to) just blow out the candle, by that logic (the person mailman is referring to)


or, God set the target, you keep trying to aim at that target repeatedly, and the spot you hit the most by "missing the point", God will set that target board so that you can just throw darts, and most of your darts will happen to land on it, no skill required from you, lowering down standards, etc.

now, where is that "insert sarcasm here sign"?
and why is it so hard to "copy and paste" that sign here?
 

posthuman

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now, where is that "insert sarcasm here sign"?
and why is it so hard to "copy and paste" that sign here?
what if we all agree to use a certain font for sarcasm?
maybe Courier New?
like,
this is sarcastic and this is not.


o yeah for sure

o yeah for sure

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so why don't you believe you are saved?
there is not a sin that God will not forgive

unless, if the belief in false doctrine becomes the reason

however, last time I checked in Hebrews, there's the "and" statement

for the logic truth table
Sin ^ Doctrine
T ^ F = F

so Hebrews doesn't apply, so why else? we do not deny the existence of profession, unless if it's deeper
 

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Sorry this is a false statement. Nowhere in the bible does it say that obedience is required for salvation. For example; the obedience of water baptism; confession of the believer; "loving God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength, and love your neighbor as yourself." All of these acts of love are essential to the life of a believer but they come "after you are saved."

"Faith" and "Salvation" are absolutely essential for a true born again believer and both faith and salvation cannot be earned, they are a gift of God.

Every attribute of love can be said is true of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. And Jesus learned obedience through suffering and so will Christians do the same, "after we are saved"

Quote Argueless: "We cannot separate "obedience from salvation" for "THEY ARE WHAT LOVE IS."
We obey our Lord and Savior because He first "Loved us."

Where did you learn these things, are you a Catholic? We are saved by grace through faith, "Not By Works"

Ephesians2:8,9
8)
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the "gift of God",9) "not by works", so that no one can boast

Hebrews5:8,9
8)
Son though he was, he learned obedience from what he suffered 9) and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him

1Corinthians13:4-8,13
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Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5) It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6) Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7) It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8) Love never fails.

13And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.



You said;
"Nowhere in the bible does it say that obedience is required for salvation."

God said:

“You have said harsh things against me,” says the Lord. “Yet you ask, ‘What have we said against you?’ “You have said, ‘It is futile to serve God. What did we gain by CARRYING OUT HIS REQUIREMENTS and going about like mourners before the Lord Almighty? But now we call the arrogant blessed. Certainly the evildoers prosper, and even those who challenge God escape.’” Then those who feared the Lord talked with each other, and the Lord listened and heard. A scroll of remembrance was written in his presence concerning those who feared the Lord and honored his name. “They will be mine,” says the Lord Almighty, “in the day when I make up my treasured possession. I WILL SPARE THEM, just as in compassion a man spares his son who serves him. And you will again see the distinction between the righteous and the wicked, between those who serve God and those who do not. Malachi 3:13-18

The Lord Jesus said;

“Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.”Matthew 19:17

Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.” Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me. John 14:21,23-24

The Apostle Paul said:

Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient.Ephesians 5:6

In Romans 6:16-22 Paul tells us that obedience leads to righteous that leads to holiness and the result is eternal life.

John said;

And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love. 2 John 1:6

John the baptist said;

the ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.” Luke 3:9


Am I a Catholic? No.
I fellowship with the G12 born again congregation and I learned these things from the WORD of God.


This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers. And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. Those who obey his commands live in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us. 1 John 3:16,23-24

But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, Philippians 3:20

..."OUR SALVATION IS NEARER NOW THAN WHEN WE FIRST BELIEVED"
 
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You said;
"Nowhere in the bible does it say that obedience is required for salvation."

God said:

“You have said harsh things against me,” says the Lord. “Yet you ask, ‘What have we said against you?’ “You have said, ‘It is futile to serve God. What did we gain by CARRYING OUT HIS REQUIREMENTS and going about like mourners before the Lord Almighty? But now we call the arrogant blessed. Certainly the evildoers prosper, and even those who challenge God escape.’” Then those who feared the Lord talked with each other, and the Lord listened and heard. A scroll of remembrance was written in his presence concerning those who feared the Lord and honored his name. “They will be mine,” says the Lord Almighty, “in the day when I make up my treasured possession. I WILL SPARE THEM, just as in compassion a man spares his son who serves him. And you will again see the distinction between the righteous and the wicked, between those who serve God and those who do not. Malachi 3:13-18

The Lord Jesus said;

“Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.”Matthew 19:17

Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.” Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me. John 14:21,23-24

The Apostle Paul said:

Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient.Ephesians 5:6

In Romans 6:16-22 Paul tells us that obedience leads to righteous that leads to holiness and the result is eternal life.

John said;

And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love. 2 John 1:6

John the baptist said;

the ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.” Luke 3:9


Am I a Catholic? No.
I fellowship with the G12 born again congregation and I learned these things from the WORD of God.


This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers. And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. Those who obey his commands live in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us. 1 John 3:16,23-24

But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, Philippians 3:20

..."OUR SALVATION IS NEARER NOW THAN WHEN WE FIRST BELIEVED"
Sorry...did not get past your out of context use of and quote of Malachi, which was 7 assertions made against the JEWS, and has no bearing on the New Covenant salvation found in JESUS......

Gotta love those who google a word found in a verse and then hang a belief on scripture to prove an erroneous point...........

con·text
/ˈkäntekst/
noun

  1. the circumstances that form the setting for an event, statement, or idea, and in terms of which it can be fully understood and assessed.
    "the decision was taken within the context of planned cuts in spending"
    synonyms:circumstances, conditions, factors, state of affairs, situation, background, scene, settingMorethe parts of something written or spoken that immediately precede and follow a word or passage and clarify its meanin
 

mailmandan

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Sorry...did not get past your out of context use of and quote of Malachi, which was 7 assertions made against the JEWS, and has no bearing on the New Covenant salvation found in JESUS......

Gotta love those who google a word found in a verse and then hang a belief on scripture to prove an erroneous point...........

con·text
/ˈkäntekst/
noun

  1. the circumstances that form the setting for an event, statement, or idea, and in terms of which it can be fully understood and assessed.
    "the decision was taken within the context of planned cuts in spending"
    synonyms:circumstances, conditions, factors, state of affairs, situation, background, scene, setting More the parts of something written or spoken that immediately precede and follow a word or passage and clarify its meaning
Yes, we must rightly divide the Word of Truth and we also must not confuse DESCRIPTIVE passages of Scripture with PRESCRIPTIVE passages of Scripture. ;)
 
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theanointedsinner

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who was that person who claimed to be saved 10,000 times in a week?

whoever s/he is, the testimony of that one week, no matter how shortened it will be, would be a book, or longer

probably one of the longest autobiography ever written in humankind

unless if mass amounts of "times being saved" are to be omitted

clearly, an error that can quickly be reduced to an absurdity, if one is willing to think about it's implications
 
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theanointedsinner

Guest
Sorry...did not get past your out of context use of and quote of Malachi, which was 7 assertions made against the JEWS, and has no bearing on the New Covenant salvation found in JESUS......

Gotta love those who google a word found in a verse and then hang a belief on scripture to prove an erroneous point...........

con·text
/ˈkäntekst/
noun

  1. the circumstances that form the setting for an event, statement, or idea, and in terms of which it can be fully understood and assessed.
    "the decision was taken within the context of planned cuts in spending"
    synonyms:circumstances, conditions, factors, state of affairs, situation, background, scene, settingMorethe parts of something written or spoken that immediately precede and follow a word or passage and clarify its meanin
let's also google a person named salvador, and let's also google "standing ovation"

put the two together, it would sound like "sal - vation"

another way to get incorrect definitions that's lightyears away from the truth