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that's a good question, dude.
what if Christ actually is God?
what if He actually does give eternal life to those who put their trust in Him?
what if He really did split the veil?
what if He truly does save?
what if salvation actually is by grace through faith, not of works?
what if you, with the imaginary religious war going on your head, and your slander and preaching of self accomplished righteousness of deeds in the flesh, and your boasting and false accusations, are actually the pharisee?
what if your gospel of works and hopelessness is false?
John 8:47
He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear [them] not, because ye are not of God.
maybe you ought to get saved, dude.
what if Christ actually is God?
what if He actually does give eternal life to those who put their trust in Him?
what if He really did split the veil?
what if He truly does save?
what if salvation actually is by grace through faith, not of works?
what if you, with the imaginary religious war going on your head, and your slander and preaching of self accomplished righteousness of deeds in the flesh, and your boasting and false accusations, are actually the pharisee?
what if your gospel of works and hopelessness is false?
John 8:47
He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear [them] not, because ye are not of God.
maybe you ought to get saved, dude.
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that's maybe cuz you don't listen, and maybe every conversation you get into on this website turns into an argument because you preach false doctrine, slander people, and refuse correction.
if you are waiting for me to praise men, instead of the Lord, and faulting me for it, there is something very wrong with your little mainstream religion of works and vanity.
btw
my name should not be capitalized.
if you are waiting for me to praise men, instead of the Lord, and faulting me for it, there is something very wrong with your little mainstream religion of works and vanity.
btw
my name should not be capitalized.
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Your statement is exactly what anyone would expect coming from an nonbeliever; and ironically because "Jesus lives", and because "He gives us Eternal Life" likewise our life is now expendable, for nonbelievers just like you.
There is a "kindhearted" group of people here who like "posthuman" would like to see you "get saved." and you can count me on their side.
John14:18-20
18) I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 19) Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. "Because I live, you also will live." 20) On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.
John10:25-30
25) Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, 26) but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27) My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28) "I give them eternal life", and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29) My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all c ; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30) I and the Father are one.”
There is a "kindhearted" group of people here who like "posthuman" would like to see you "get saved." and you can count me on their side.
John14:18-20
18) I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 19) Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. "Because I live, you also will live." 20) On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.
John10:25-30
25) Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, 26) but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27) My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28) "I give them eternal life", and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29) My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all c ; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30) I and the Father are one.”
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Maybe he has not read these verses:
1 Corinthians 10:23-24 (KJV)
All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me,
but all things edify not. Let no man seek his own, but every man another's.
Romans 3:12 (KJV)
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Romans 3:23-24 (HCSB)
23 For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
24 They are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.
Romans 11:6 (HCSB)
6 Now if by grace, then it is not by works; otherwise grace ceases to be grace.
"Unbelief" Greek= apistia:- "Faithlessness, disbelief, unfaithfulness (Disobedience) disbelieve (by implication) disobey.
I didn't use my interpretation, but had sought out the Greek meaning for the word used. Shall I reject the greek meaning just because it exposes another religious doctrine of yours as false?
whether I "turn to God" and He Grafts me in, or I am chosen by some secret lottery which I have no part in, God's people are "Grafted in" and Partake of the Holy Root. You may preach there is another path to eternity, as "many" who call Him Lord, Lord, do.
But I don't believe There is another Holy Root not spoken of in the Word of God.
I believe God sent me His Word to save Me. And I believe on the One He sent. I also believe He changed the Priesthood as He said He would, and now we are cleansed by a "new and better way" than the sprinkling of the blood of goats. I also believe He writes God's Laws on the hearts of His People that "believe" in the Holy First Fruit. I most certainly believe His works are all sufficient, and that I can't only hear His Words and be justified, or honor Him with my lips as did the Mainstream preachers of His time,, but must actually have Faith to "Do" as He instructs. As did Abraham and EVERY other example of the Faithful in His Word.
I would continue, but to what end? You won't admit the TRuth about the Pharisees and their doctrine. You won't admit the Truth about what the word "Unbelief" means in Romans 11. You reject the fact that Abraham obeyed God, and that God's People, Jew and Gentile, are grafted into the same Holy Root that the Christ was Grafted into.
As I have said before, we believe in two different "firstfruits" and I am not going to "omit" so much of God's Words just so I can be part of the popular religions of the land.
="posthuman, post: 3746170, member: 170505"]that's you tho, not gb9 or EG. EG is trusting in Him, not in religious works. that's how he comes to be eternally-gratefull 
that's what you slander him for, for being grateful and believing.
you have said yourself, you are not saved, you don't believe He came to save you, and you believe that you are going to earn a wage of eternal life by establishing your own righteousness through your own personal religion of works.
that's what you slander him for, for being grateful and believing.
you have said yourself, you are not saved, you don't believe He came to save you, and you believe that you are going to earn a wage of eternal life by establishing your own righteousness through your own personal religion of works.
Matt. 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity (Lawlessness) shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Luke 13:
23 Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,
24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
John 5:34 But I receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye might be saved.
Acts 15:
10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
Acts 16:
30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Rom. 5:
8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Rom. 8:
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
Rom. 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
1 Cor. 10:33 Even as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved.
1 Cor. 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
Eph. 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
1 Tim. 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
1 Pet. 4:
17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
REv. 21:
22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
You all preach you are already saved, already immortal. This is your religion, the Mainstream Religion. You all have been convinced that you ALL are already saved.
What if my job is to warn you by showing you, not religions traditions from the well meaning folks of the land, but by the very Word's of the Word of God we are supposed to live by, that we are not ALL saved just because we declare it?
What if the Bible is right and you, like Eve, has been convinced you are already saved, when the Word of God clearly says you are not. We are "being saved". And not everyone, but those who "STRIVE to ENTER the NARROW PATH". But on this forum, according to all you guys, if I "Strive to Enter the Path the Christ Walked, I am trying to earn Salvation. I am a Pharisee, a Legalist, a "worker for salvation". Called all sorts of names, ridiculed, ignored.
Now I have just posted almost every example of what the word of God says about being saved. From the Christ's Word's all the way to Revelation.
And none of them even suggest that I am already immortal. In fact, they teach that I must stay diligent, continue in the faith of Abraham, protect myself from deception. Why???? Because I am not SAVED yet, I am not IMMORTAL yet. I have not received the "Gift" of immortality YET.
Now why would a bunch of religions try and convince me I am already immortal, that I am saved "Eternally" when so many scriptures, and I could post pages more, say just the opposite. Which tell me to "Take Heed" "Beware" "Be diligent" "Strive to Enter".
How is it trusting in Him to reject His Words and follow a religion which doesn't believe Him?
I believe these word's and ALL the Words of the Christ.
John 10:
1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
There is no doubt that the Sheep are safe if they listen to the Shepherd and not another voice as Eve did.
John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
So I am "testing the spirit" to see if a certain voice is the Shepherd, or a stranger. Even if it is uncomfortable. These questions I ask.
Did the Christ create images or acknowledge images of God in the likeness of man? God forbid. But "Many" who come in Christ's name do.
Did the Christ create His own or follow religious High Days from Pagan celebrations? God forbid. But "many" who come in Christ's name do.
Did the Christ preach to the world that the Pharisees were trying to "Earn" Salvation by obeying God? No!! He said the opposite. But "many" on this forum, who come in Christ's name do.
Did the Christ Honor His Fathers Sabbaths? Yes, He did. But "many" who come in Christ's name don't.
Did the Christ Honor His fathers Holy Days? Yes, He did. But "many" who come in Christ's name don't.
So if I "believe" on Him, will I "follow" Him? Or will I follow religions which call Him Lord, Lord, but doesn't "do the Works that He did"?
Shall I listen to His Word's and "Run the race that is set before me"? Shall "I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus" as Paul taught?
How is turning from these Word's and toward the "works" of the Mainstream Religions of the land going to "Get me saved"?
I truly ask these questions and bring these things up out of genuine Love for the Brethren. I don't mean for it to anger anyone. Now I can and have allowed myself to be drawn into foolish arguments, to my shame. And I am learning how do deal with these things.
But my questions are relevant. If they sting someone, why should that reflect on me? But it has been my experience that men's religion is sacred to them, and as history shows, they will do many things to preserve it, many evil things, even hating those who would dare question them.
But I truly believe there are some, as those in Acts, who might think about it and say. "Men and Brethren, what shall we do"? Unfortunately all I have experienced on this forum is: "When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth."
I came to terms with these things almost 30 years ago, but I have not forgotten how difficult it was to answer these questions myself. I still remember the divisions it caused in my life and the "Cost" of placing the Word of God before anything else. But it changed my life in ways I could have never imagined. And I have an understanding of scriptures and how they all flow together like a stream of living water. I would not trade this experience for anything in this world.
It is this reason why I am on this forum knowing full well that what I have to say will garner much anger. But I have also found that there are others who understand and have experienced the same thing, in them I am encouraged.
So TT, I appreciate your offer to "Save me", but I'm already "being saved". So I would love for you to discuss the questions I posed and maybe we can learn something together.
John 10:
1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
There is no doubt that the Sheep are safe if they listen to the Shepherd and not another voice as Eve did.
John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
So I am "testing the spirit" to see if a certain voice is the Shepherd, or a stranger. Even if it is uncomfortable. These questions I ask.
Did the Christ create images or acknowledge images of God in the likeness of man? God forbid. But "Many" who come in Christ's name do.
Did the Christ create His own or follow religious High Days from Pagan celebrations? God forbid. But "many" who come in Christ's name do.
Did the Christ preach to the world that the Pharisees were trying to "Earn" Salvation by obeying God? No!! He said the opposite. But "many" on this forum, who come in Christ's name do.
Did the Christ Honor His Fathers Sabbaths? Yes, He did. But "many" who come in Christ's name don't.
Did the Christ Honor His fathers Holy Days? Yes, He did. But "many" who come in Christ's name don't.
So if I "believe" on Him, will I "follow" Him? Or will I follow religions which call Him Lord, Lord, but doesn't "do the Works that He did"?
Shall I listen to His Word's and "Run the race that is set before me"? Shall "I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus" as Paul taught?
How is turning from these Word's and toward the "works" of the Mainstream Religions of the land going to "Get me saved"?
I truly ask these questions and bring these things up out of genuine Love for the Brethren. I don't mean for it to anger anyone. Now I can and have allowed myself to be drawn into foolish arguments, to my shame. And I am learning how do deal with these things.
But my questions are relevant. If they sting someone, why should that reflect on me? But it has been my experience that men's religion is sacred to them, and as history shows, they will do many things to preserve it, many evil things, even hating those who would dare question them.
But I truly believe there are some, as those in Acts, who might think about it and say. "Men and Brethren, what shall we do"? Unfortunately all I have experienced on this forum is: "When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth."
I came to terms with these things almost 30 years ago, but I have not forgotten how difficult it was to answer these questions myself. I still remember the divisions it caused in my life and the "Cost" of placing the Word of God before anything else. But it changed my life in ways I could have never imagined. And I have an understanding of scriptures and how they all flow together like a stream of living water. I would not trade this experience for anything in this world.
It is this reason why I am on this forum knowing full well that what I have to say will garner much anger. But I have also found that there are others who understand and have experienced the same thing, in them I am encouraged.
So TT, I appreciate your offer to "Save me", but I'm already "being saved". So I would love for you to discuss the questions I posed and maybe we can learn something together.
16 For if the firstfruit be holy, (Isn't Jesus the First fruit?)
1 Cor. 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
the lump is also holy: (Was He also Holy before He was resurrected? as a man?)
and if the root be holy, (And why was He Holy, did He follow Mainstream Religions, or make up His own religion? or did He Follow the Path "ordained by God that He should walk in them"?)
Is. 53:2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
so are the branches. (Are the branches also produced by the Holy Root, Those in the Faith chapter?)
1 Cor. 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
the lump is also holy: (Was He also Holy before He was resurrected? as a man?)
and if the root be holy, (And why was He Holy, did He follow Mainstream Religions, or make up His own religion? or did He Follow the Path "ordained by God that He should walk in them"?)
Is. 53:2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
so are the branches. (Are the branches also produced by the Holy Root, Those in the Faith chapter?)
the man who called Him good teacher did not believe He is Christ. so his only hope was Moses. previously discussed.
Christ is God so there is no distinction. as a human form He gave us the example to live alway at rest, doing only the will of God. always working. also previously discussed.
Isaiah 53:2 proves both that He is YHWH and that He is the root, not a wild ingrafted branch.
and now that several of your deflections are taken care of would you like a sure hope? would you like to hear the gospel? ♥
Christ is God so there is no distinction. as a human form He gave us the example to live alway at rest, doing only the will of God. always working. also previously discussed.
Isaiah 53:2 proves both that He is YHWH and that He is the root, not a wild ingrafted branch.
and now that several of your deflections are taken care of would you like a sure hope? would you like to hear the gospel? ♥
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