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I'm sure Catholics are not interested in having YOU make up their doctrine...
they can do that all by themselves.
Now God inspired the Greek word....
So now God speaks Greek specially for YOU.
And as for Catholics setting standards...
If it wasn't for THEM,,, YOU wouldn't have a faith.
They're the ones that saved the Christian faith for you.
They're the ones that put the inspired N.T. together.
And I'll tell you something else,,,
THEY have the truth more than YOU do.
Can't bring yourself to saying...
sorry,,,I made a mistake.
I guess as the experts in greek and concordances cannot answer the questions I will have to. I gotta tell you, I’m not that bright, no more than an average IQ at best, shame on you scholarly types
My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one AS we are one – 23 I in them and you in me – so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me
How can believers be in Father and Son? Through the Holy Spirit who dwells in them, there is no other way. just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us
So Father and Son are in each other through the Holy Spirit.
I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they(believers) may be one as(AS) we are one
How can believers be as one?
then make my joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and of one mind. Phil2:2
Believers can be as one, of one heart and one mind through the Spirit who dwells in them and leads them into truth. That is the only way believers can be as one.
And Jesus said:
that they may be one AS we are one – 23 I in them and you in me – so that they may be brought to complete unity
Unity of purpose/belief, of one heart and one mind through the Holy Spirit. The answer to both questions relates to the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit fully resides in Christ, we get a portion of that Spirit.
Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
I highlighted the word "I know them" because Jesus KNOWS the sheep. Now this proves sheep will always be sheep:
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
There Jesus casts folks into hell and He NEVER knew them, not used to know them.
CANT REFUTE IT. Will you believe it? its irrefutable, this will never be touched. I will probably keep bringing this up OCCASIONALLY from now on.
Thanks H, For including me with those other members.
I see I'm in good company.
I didn't see this before...it's getting late here, but I'll answer you like this:
Eternal Security is scriptural...it does HOWEVER have conditions, and you've perfectly laid them out in the verses you quoted.
Let's go through them one by one.
a. Hear His voice.
b. He knows them.
c. They follow Him.
Jesus gives His sheep eternal life because they are following the conditions, which are
a, b and c.
Praise God...no MAN will be able to pluck you out of God's hand...
the devil might...and has....
and you could always walk out on your own...unless God has taken away your free will.
I still have my free will because I'm made in the image of God and HE also has free will (of course).
What exactly is this new idea I hear on this thread...
A sheep will always be a sheep.
Are they supposed to become a giraffe, or something?
OF COURSE a sheep always remains a sheep.
Why bother to guess?
Jesus clearly states to whom He will profess "depart from Me, I never knew you".
You wrote it....He will say this to those who work iniquity...IOW, they're lawless and very sinful.
And look....He doesn't even mention the words "being saved".
Gosh...you'd think He was talking about WORKS.
Can it be? You better believe it.
You're going to keep bringing up something that does not agree with you?
I'll make a copy of this page and will paste it when you do.
You are making it PRESCRIPTIVE instead of DESCRIPTIVE.
Instead of describing what saved born again individuals do, you are making it "you must do this and that, X Y Z to become saved or to REMAIN saved" whatever brand you wish to market here! Jumping through hoops to get saved. THATS LIKE CATHOLICISM! You gotta keep coming to mass on sunday, you got to keep confessing to the priest. YOU ARE ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE REFORMATION!
Show me where i did this???? i gave you scripture........not my opinion
Thats WORKS SALVATION!
Jumping through different hoops to become saved and remain saved! That would be justified by keeping the law and the Bible says none are justified by the law! Not by works of righteousness which WE HAVE done Titus 3:5!
I hate it how it was done to me in the pentecostal circles. They told me how easy it was to be saved, but then after you join, they lay HEAVY BURDENS on you to REMAIN saved. Its actually harder to STAY saved than to get saved in their system.
Its kind of like back in the days when people got baptized right before death to remit their sins. Thats what its like in this system too, just give your life to Jesus at the last second of your life, thats when you have the most chances of "STAYING SAVED". IF you do it today you will likely end up lost! Since its upto you to maintain it, GOD IS OUT THE PICTURE
Paul said TODAY is the day of salvation.
I believe the Holy Spirit led me to find out John 10:26-27 and Matthew 7:21-23 CONNECTION! Jesus knows the sheep, never knew those cast to hell, THEREFORE none of the people cast there were SHEEP and then evolutionized into goats! Rather they were always goats, and Jesus knew the sheep.
Romans 8:28-30 the golden chain of redemption! Ephesians 1! From the foundation of the world!
I got my eye on you buddy. I see you. You tried to trick everyone already by throwing in Romans 2:6-7 in there without telling them about the CONCLUSION Paul goes to in Romans 3!
HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHA You did not defeat me and if you believe eh above, your'e not that bright....
Worship of idols, hair, nail clippings, bone fragments, MEN, MARY and numerous other idols
Buy sins and pre-purchase iniquity
priests that rape little boys
Believing the Pope is GOD
MARY can intercede
Pray people into heaven
Pope can make saints
MURDER some 60 to 80 million people that refuse to confess to a priest or take communion
JESUS still on the cross
worship of bleeding and weeping statues of MARY
YEAH..sure the set the standard for biblical Christianity alright....NOT HARDLY
My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them(believers) may be one,Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as(AS) we are one— 23 I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me John17:20-23
How can believers be in Father and Son as they are in each other?
How can believers be one as(AS) Father and Son are one?
but we've been asking you a very, very simple question: is Christ God?
i don't even care if you have to give an oblique answer -- but i think it's more telling that a person absolutely refuses even to address this extraordinarily fundamental thing, than it is for a person to give a somewhat mysterious reply to one of the greatest mysteries in scripture. i didn't ignore you; that wouldn't be love. you on the other hand, slapped your hand over your mouth, covered your eyes with a veil, and plugged your fingers in your ears.