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I pray you do not give people gifts expecting things in return, because those things you give are not gifts at all, they are things given to pay for something you desire, ie, you are not giving a gift, but a downpayment, or a payment in advance with the explicit knowledge that if they do not do what is demanded of you you will take that gift back.
This is not a gift which is given by grace and mercy, this is a overbearing god trying to get his own way by giving a kid a lolipop.
This thinking feeds right into satans lie, that god is not who God says he is.
This is not a gift which is given by grace and mercy, this is a overbearing god trying to get his own way by giving a kid a lolipop.
This thinking feeds right into satans lie, that god is not who God says he is.
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Let me try and put the above in a simple context.
A young child has a short attention span. They need to deal with conflicting emotions, desires, hunger, sleep, sadness,
anger, joy, safety, fear. As they grow they start to learn the balance of all the needs and to live a consistent life.
Should they feel condemned because the interactions of others does not fit in quite with their own?
Or is it sin when the frustration of the conflicts bursts out into hurtful actions which aim to do harm?
I would suggest it is the hurtful outbursts that define sin.
A young child has a short attention span. They need to deal with conflicting emotions, desires, hunger, sleep, sadness,
anger, joy, safety, fear. As they grow they start to learn the balance of all the needs and to live a consistent life.
Should they feel condemned because the interactions of others does not fit in quite with their own?
Or is it sin when the frustration of the conflicts bursts out into hurtful actions which aim to do harm?
I would suggest it is the hurtful outbursts that define sin.
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Gods promises were never based on me,
He saved me (completed action) based on his mercy. Not based on my wrks (titus 3: 5)
Discuss my sin life? This is not the thread for that, this thread is about how one receeves eternal life and given the right to be children of God.
But i will say ths, if you an I stood in front of god right now, we would both be condemned because of our sins. You better have your sins atoned or youuave no hope. My hope is in the blood.
He saved me (completed action) based on his mercy. Not based on my wrks (titus 3: 5)
Discuss my sin life? This is not the thread for that, this thread is about how one receeves eternal life and given the right to be children of God.
But i will say ths, if you an I stood in front of god right now, we would both be condemned because of our sins. You better have your sins atoned or youuave no hope. My hope is in the blood.
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No, Jesus is not a works-salvationists and just like Roman Catholics and other works-salvationists, you misinterpret the passage to support salvation by works. Jesus knows the hearts of all men and responds to each individual a little differently because He knows where their need is. He didn't respond to the woman at the well, or to Nicodemus or to the rich young ruler the exact same way, yet the consistent pattern in scripture is salvation by grace through faith, not works (Ephesians 2:8,9).
Jesus showed the rich young man how short he falls of keeping the first commandment (Exodus 20:3) which is the first of the two great commandments (Deuteronomy 6:5; Matthew 22:37). The rich young man confidently and (self righteously) declared that he has kept the commandments from his youth up and qualified for heaven under those terms. Yet Jesus knew the man's wealth had become his idolatrous god, which kept him from believing in Jesus.
The rich young man missed the point that Jesus was making (as did you) and failed to place his faith in Jesus for salvation, and continued instead to trust in his riches (vs. 21-23). The rich young man went away sad because he could not part from his great wealth, not even in exchange for eternal life.
If keeping the commandments is the basis by which we receive eternal life, then why isn't this remark the pattern for all discussions concerning eternal life? Paul would have said to the jailer who asked, "what must I do to be saved?" by replying in Acts 16:31 - keep the commandments, yet that's not what Paul said. Instead, Paul said - "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved." *We see this throughout scripture - (John 1:12; 3:15,16,18,36; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26; Acts 10:43; 13:39; Acts 15:7-9; Romans 1:16; 3:22-28; 4:5-6 etc..). What we don't see is salvation by works (Romans 4:4-6; Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9 etc..).
We have here a command of Jesus to go and make disciples of all nations, then baptize them and teach them to observe all things that Jesus has commanded them NOT as a means of becoming saved but BECAUSE they are already saved. Don't put the cart before the horse.
Jesus is not a works-salvationists because the one who are obeying His teachings have already been saved through faith.
So in Hebrews 5:9, who obeys Him? The saved or the lost? Hebrews 5:9 is yet another commonly used verse that I've heard many works salvationists use in an effort to try and support salvation by works (including Roman Catholics, Mormons and Campbellites). *Only believers have obeyed Him by choosing to believe the gospel (Romans 1:16) in order to become saved, and only believers obey Him after they have been saved through faith by keeping (guarding, observing, watching over) His commandments and practicing righteousness and not sin (1 John 2:3; 3:9,10). *In either sense, only believers obey Him.
Unbelievers have not obeyed Him by refusing to believe the gospel (Romans 10:16) and without faith its impossible to please God (Hebrews 11:6), so unbelievers do not obey Him no matter how much "so called" obedience that they attempt to conjure up through the flesh in a vain effort to receive salvation by works. *So in either sense, unbelievers do not obey Him.
No, they are His disciples who are obedient to God BECAUSE they are saved and not in order to become saved by works.
Scripture.
Oh the irony.
Jesus showed the rich young man how short he falls of keeping the first commandment (Exodus 20:3) which is the first of the two great commandments (Deuteronomy 6:5; Matthew 22:37). The rich young man confidently and (self righteously) declared that he has kept the commandments from his youth up and qualified for heaven under those terms. Yet Jesus knew the man's wealth had become his idolatrous god, which kept him from believing in Jesus.
The rich young man missed the point that Jesus was making (as did you) and failed to place his faith in Jesus for salvation, and continued instead to trust in his riches (vs. 21-23). The rich young man went away sad because he could not part from his great wealth, not even in exchange for eternal life.
If keeping the commandments is the basis by which we receive eternal life, then why isn't this remark the pattern for all discussions concerning eternal life? Paul would have said to the jailer who asked, "what must I do to be saved?" by replying in Acts 16:31 - keep the commandments, yet that's not what Paul said. Instead, Paul said - "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved." *We see this throughout scripture - (John 1:12; 3:15,16,18,36; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26; Acts 10:43; 13:39; Acts 15:7-9; Romans 1:16; 3:22-28; 4:5-6 etc..). What we don't see is salvation by works (Romans 4:4-6; Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9 etc..).
We have here a command of Jesus to go and make disciples of all nations, then baptize them and teach them to observe all things that Jesus has commanded them NOT as a means of becoming saved but BECAUSE they are already saved. Don't put the cart before the horse.
Jesus is not a works-salvationists because the one who are obeying His teachings have already been saved through faith.
So in Hebrews 5:9, who obeys Him? The saved or the lost? Hebrews 5:9 is yet another commonly used verse that I've heard many works salvationists use in an effort to try and support salvation by works (including Roman Catholics, Mormons and Campbellites). *Only believers have obeyed Him by choosing to believe the gospel (Romans 1:16) in order to become saved, and only believers obey Him after they have been saved through faith by keeping (guarding, observing, watching over) His commandments and practicing righteousness and not sin (1 John 2:3; 3:9,10). *In either sense, only believers obey Him.
Unbelievers have not obeyed Him by refusing to believe the gospel (Romans 10:16) and without faith its impossible to please God (Hebrews 11:6), so unbelievers do not obey Him no matter how much "so called" obedience that they attempt to conjure up through the flesh in a vain effort to receive salvation by works. *So in either sense, unbelievers do not obey Him.
No, they are His disciples who are obedient to God BECAUSE they are saved and not in order to become saved by works.
Scripture.
Oh the irony.
And oh there's more irony on these verses below....
...We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. The man who says, “I know him,” but DOES NOT DO WHAT HE COMMANDS is A LIAR, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM. But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him MUST WALK as Jesus did. 1 John 2:3-6
...Some of you have become arrogant, as if I were not coming to you. But I will come to you very soon, if the Lord is willing, and then I will find out not only how THESE ARROGANT PEOPLE ARE TALKING, but what power they have. For the kingdom of God is NOT A MATTER OF TALK BUT OF POWER. 1 Corinthians 4:18-20
... As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead. James 2:26
DEAD... NO LIFE...NO POWER.
... I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead. Wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have not found your deeds complete in the sight of my God. Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; obey it, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you. Revelation 3:1-3
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That is a descriptive passagem not prescriptive,
Anyone can act morally good and appear to do works, only those given the right to be children of god by recieving him are saved.
Thats why so many workers think they are saved, but are decieved, because their faih is in their works, not the god who offers to save them.
Anyone can act morally good and appear to do works, only those given the right to be children of god by recieving him are saved.
Thats why so many workers think they are saved, but are decieved, because their faih is in their works, not the god who offers to save them.
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1John3:9 refers to those who claim to make a commitment to Christ but nothing changes in their lives, they carry on continuing in their sins as before. They were never truly born of God in the first place. Faith without works is dead faith
Gal5:19-21 refers to people who drift back into sin/a sinfull lifestyle once saved, for those verses are in relation to following after the Spirit not the flesh. Only believers can follow after the Spirit
When Jesus said all sins would be forgiven apart from blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, he was referring to the unsaved who could make a commitment to him and have their sins forgiven
Good to rightly divide the word
The above is not in reference to anything you have written, but others not rightly dividing the word
Gal5:19-21 refers to people who drift back into sin/a sinfull lifestyle once saved, for those verses are in relation to following after the Spirit not the flesh. Only believers can follow after the Spirit
When Jesus said all sins would be forgiven apart from blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, he was referring to the unsaved who could make a commitment to him and have their sins forgiven
Good to rightly divide the word
The above is not in reference to anything you have written, but others not rightly dividing the word
When I give my children a bicycle, I expect them to learn to ride it, not throw it in the bin.
I expect them to enjoy the experience and to actually want it, because they have expressed such a desire beforehand.
This is normal parenting. Somehow in this discussion the link between the gift and its outcome has been disconnected.
This only makes sense if the speaker hates any sense of connection, and will deny it no matter what.
A climber of a mountain carries a map so that they do not get lost and do not walk off a cliff.
The map is given freely, to be used to keep the climber safe. It is a gift of love and care, and not
over bearing but it implies the desire the climber will read it, use it and stay safe. To suggest the
giving is not related to keeping the climber safe and helping them is a dis-service to the giver.
But the condition of the gift and safety is to use it. If it is not used the climber will die.
I expect them to enjoy the experience and to actually want it, because they have expressed such a desire beforehand.
This is normal parenting. Somehow in this discussion the link between the gift and its outcome has been disconnected.
This only makes sense if the speaker hates any sense of connection, and will deny it no matter what.
A climber of a mountain carries a map so that they do not get lost and do not walk off a cliff.
The map is given freely, to be used to keep the climber safe. It is a gift of love and care, and not
over bearing but it implies the desire the climber will read it, use it and stay safe. To suggest the
giving is not related to keeping the climber safe and helping them is a dis-service to the giver.
But the condition of the gift and safety is to use it. If it is not used the climber will die.
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If we keep the whole law yet stumble in one part, we are guilty of the whole law
You need to realise, your legalism causes slavery, your a slave to all the laws of god, because of you do not obey every one, your cursed.
You may think you can handle that yoke, but sadly, you can’t your sin will conde,n you where you stand. So you better find grace before it is too late
You need to realise, your legalism causes slavery, your a slave to all the laws of god, because of you do not obey every one, your cursed.
You may think you can handle that yoke, but sadly, you can’t your sin will conde,n you where you stand. So you better find grace before it is too late
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