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Jaime, NO ONE HERE has said, or is saying, that we can sin all we want after we're saved. We are saying that WORKS DO NOT SAVE US. It's that simple, even a kid can understand. No matter how many works we do, they DO NOT give us salvation, nor keep us saved.
For whatever crazy reasons they have, some here refuse to believe that works don't save us, even though the bible SPECIFICALLY says they don't..
For whatever crazy reasons they have, some here refuse to believe that works don't save us, even though the bible SPECIFICALLY says they don't..
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im not at all offended man i can see how you would think that
also the question mainly for people who have a buncha cake stacked up
or a brand new shiny get outta hell free card
lol
you used understanding and scripture after ur innitial response
i only double checked because based on your first answer i wasnt sure if you had a shiny card or not
but you seem to know God
i appreciate you answering me haha
also the question mainly for people who have a buncha cake stacked up
or a brand new shiny get outta hell free card
lol
you used understanding and scripture after ur innitial response
i only double checked because based on your first answer i wasnt sure if you had a shiny card or not
but you seem to know God
i appreciate you answering me haha
Warning warning
Once you repent of your sin, though you commit sin again you do not have to repent
of it again, because it is already forgiven, except you did not know you would commit it
so it must be a magic automatic repeat blanket repentance.
So if as a child you repent of your sins, when you grow up as a homicidal maniac, these
are forgiven, even though you had no clue this would happen, or any commitment to stop
it or the consequences or what to do about it. It is like you gain forgiveness for a stranger.
Maybe forgiveness of the future self, is the same as forgiveness for everyone.
And so mr universalism arrives, no one is going to hell, they will all be saved, because people
are not really that bad, a quick step of faith, a quick prayer, new hearts, done deal. God to
fly..... lol....smh some people will believe anything to appease guilt.
Sin and repentance...
If any member of the community sins unintentionally and does what is forbidden in any of the Lord’s commands, when they realize their guilt and the sin they have committed becomes known, they must bring as their offering for the sin they committed a female goat without defect.
Lev 4:27-28
Knowing individual sin and dealing with it is important to God.
Repentance is not a general all in the pot job, it is working through ones sins
and resolving them, commiting to walk in love and Gods ways.
Ofcourse if you want blanket forgiveness and a once off repentance, this
reality has to be ignored. This is why it is unbiblical nonsense.
It does not make sense because dealing theft is different than dealing with
murder.
Once you repent of your sin, though you commit sin again you do not have to repent
of it again, because it is already forgiven, except you did not know you would commit it
so it must be a magic automatic repeat blanket repentance.
So if as a child you repent of your sins, when you grow up as a homicidal maniac, these
are forgiven, even though you had no clue this would happen, or any commitment to stop
it or the consequences or what to do about it. It is like you gain forgiveness for a stranger.
Maybe forgiveness of the future self, is the same as forgiveness for everyone.
And so mr universalism arrives, no one is going to hell, they will all be saved, because people
are not really that bad, a quick step of faith, a quick prayer, new hearts, done deal. God to
fly..... lol....smh some people will believe anything to appease guilt.
Sin and repentance...
If any member of the community sins unintentionally and does what is forbidden in any of the Lord’s commands, when they realize their guilt and the sin they have committed becomes known, they must bring as their offering for the sin they committed a female goat without defect.
Lev 4:27-28
Knowing individual sin and dealing with it is important to God.
Repentance is not a general all in the pot job, it is working through ones sins
and resolving them, commiting to walk in love and Gods ways.
Ofcourse if you want blanket forgiveness and a once off repentance, this
reality has to be ignored. This is why it is unbiblical nonsense.
It does not make sense because dealing theft is different than dealing with
murder.
Get outta here with your "salvation is a magic wand" and "magic repentance" bunk.. God is not a genie in a bottle and you're bordering on blasphemy, IMO..
CHRISTIANS STILL SIN SOMETIMES. There, I said it, for all who don't want to accept it, to see..Let the "burn the heretic" comments begin. :/ Since y'all like posting those stupid frickin' memes.
CHRISTIANS SIN. Deal with it...
CHRISTIANS STILL SIN SOMETIMES. There, I said it, for all who don't want to accept it, to see..Let the "burn the heretic" comments begin. :/ Since y'all like posting those stupid frickin' memes.
CHRISTIANS SIN. Deal with it...
warning, warning
You are not allowed to sin as much as you like, only you will never
resolve your sin issues because God and Christ never brought us victory,
or real purity or holiness or reality, it is always hypocracy and failure until
we meet him, just realising it more and more each day.
This belief is called total inability, and has dominated reformed thought for centuries.
The claim is Christ can save us despite our continued sinning.
I would ask, surely if Christ went to the Cross it is because He can bring real righteousness,
love and victory into our lives when we follow Him.
Now when you discover the same people who preach defeat hate the sermon on the mount
as a passage of condemnation and not spiritual inspiration, you begin to see the real picture.
And the real focus needs to be on love, the love Christ gave us through the cross flowing
out to others, except for different groups, it does not seem to be flowing.
Who is Christ to you? Is He the bringer of life and love to our souls through the Holy Spirit?
Amen, glory to God, for He overcame sin and death, our living example of the path we must
follow.
You are not allowed to sin as much as you like, only you will never
resolve your sin issues because God and Christ never brought us victory,
or real purity or holiness or reality, it is always hypocracy and failure until
we meet him, just realising it more and more each day.
This belief is called total inability, and has dominated reformed thought for centuries.
The claim is Christ can save us despite our continued sinning.
I would ask, surely if Christ went to the Cross it is because He can bring real righteousness,
love and victory into our lives when we follow Him.
Now when you discover the same people who preach defeat hate the sermon on the mount
as a passage of condemnation and not spiritual inspiration, you begin to see the real picture.
And the real focus needs to be on love, the love Christ gave us through the cross flowing
out to others, except for different groups, it does not seem to be flowing.
Who is Christ to you? Is He the bringer of life and love to our souls through the Holy Spirit?
Amen, glory to God, for He overcame sin and death, our living example of the path we must
follow.
Get outta here with your "salvation is a magic wand" and "magic repentance" bunk.. God is not a genie in a bottle and you're bordering on blasphemy, IMO..
CHRISTIANS STILL SIN SOMETIMES. There, I said it, for all who don't want to accept it, to see..Let the "burn the heretic" comments begin. :/ Since y'all like posting those stupid frickin' memes.
CHRISTIANS SIN. Deal with it...
CHRISTIANS STILL SIN SOMETIMES. There, I said it, for all who don't want to accept it, to see..Let the "burn the heretic" comments begin. :/ Since y'all like posting those stupid frickin' memes.
CHRISTIANS SIN. Deal with it...
And the magic wand is pass to heaven without collecting a righteous walk
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Get outta here with your "salvation is a magic wand" and "magic repentance" bunk.. God is not a genie in a bottle and you're bordering on blasphemy, IMO..
CHRISTIANS STILL SIN SOMETIMES. There, I said it, for all who don't want to accept it, to see..Let the "burn the heretic" comments begin. :/ Since y'all like posting those stupid frickin' memes.
CHRISTIANS SIN. Deal with it...
CHRISTIANS STILL SIN SOMETIMES. There, I said it, for all who don't want to accept it, to see..Let the "burn the heretic" comments begin. :/ Since y'all like posting those stupid frickin' memes.
CHRISTIANS SIN. Deal with it...
3 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
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thanks peter, more proof your trying to save yourself and not let God save you,
we repent of sin, of being guilty, of our pride that covers it all. Because in repenting, we also acknowledge we have no hope apart from Christ, because we know we will continue to fail to live to his standard,
so in Reality, we are asking God (who knows our every thought and action from birth to death as if it had already happened) to save us KNOWING ever sin we will commit from this day forward, even if we do not know it, because he is the all merciful God, and promises to save us forever based on his sons work, not our own.
see this way, when w do sin, we realisem wow, God saved me KNOWING I would do that sin, what an awesome God he is, and what a wretched soul I am, thank you God for forgiving me, help me next time to have more strength,
thanksgiving and and gratitude for god unfailing love is what causes us to love hose who sin against us, because we are not innocent, look at what we are forgive, that is what empowers our live, which empowers our Christian growth,m
not laws, not religion, not repenting every time we THINK we have sinned and thinking that makes us holy.. I personally think God sits in heaven and screams NOOOOO! That is not what I want, you got it all wrong" every time someon does that. It is based on Pride, not humility
we repent of sin, of being guilty, of our pride that covers it all. Because in repenting, we also acknowledge we have no hope apart from Christ, because we know we will continue to fail to live to his standard,
so in Reality, we are asking God (who knows our every thought and action from birth to death as if it had already happened) to save us KNOWING ever sin we will commit from this day forward, even if we do not know it, because he is the all merciful God, and promises to save us forever based on his sons work, not our own.
see this way, when w do sin, we realisem wow, God saved me KNOWING I would do that sin, what an awesome God he is, and what a wretched soul I am, thank you God for forgiving me, help me next time to have more strength,
thanksgiving and and gratitude for god unfailing love is what causes us to love hose who sin against us, because we are not innocent, look at what we are forgive, that is what empowers our live, which empowers our Christian growth,m
not laws, not religion, not repenting every time we THINK we have sinned and thinking that makes us holy.. I personally think God sits in heaven and screams NOOOOO! That is not what I want, you got it all wrong" every time someon does that. It is based on Pride, not humility
At the bottom of the day, when we take that last breath, and our times of choosing are over, then it will be up to God to decide where we go and what kind of a judgment we will have. In my mind I can see people in utter shock when they realize God is not going to let them into Heaven. In this life I know one thing for sure, in this realm God has given us the opportunity to be forgiven if we repent and ask for forgiveness in Jesus name, I plan on using that gift from God all I can...while I can. Also, what pleases God is for us to walk in truth, be certain that it is the truth of God and not some fabricated pseudo truth.
There is only one sin that cannot be forgiven. Blaspheming the Holy Spirit.
This means refusing THE GOSPEL. If you WILL die, and refuse the ONLY cure that saves you, you have blasphemed the Holy Spirit.
So it's silly to talk about any other sin sending someone to hell.
Now for those that don't understand Grace, this seems like an endorsement of sin.
We can tell them til we're blue in the face, but until the Holy Spirit reveals this Truth to them, as He did to me, they will continue to kick against the goads.
This means refusing THE GOSPEL. If you WILL die, and refuse the ONLY cure that saves you, you have blasphemed the Holy Spirit.
So it's silly to talk about any other sin sending someone to hell.
Now for those that don't understand Grace, this seems like an endorsement of sin.
We can tell them til we're blue in the face, but until the Holy Spirit reveals this Truth to them, as He did to me, they will continue to kick against the goads.
Let us get real about life. As children we learn it is infinitely complex and sometimes very simple.
Not all the issues are dealt with in one day which is why we spend 12 years in school, and often
3 years at university. And we are still pretty dumb at the end.
So in one realisation of God and our need, reaching out to God in repentance and faith is all
there ever needs to be? Nope.
It is why we have a bible of 66 books with vast issues and complexities touched on but not
resolved.
Ofcourse the one off zappers brigade want to condemn as leading you to hell anything that
says we have a walk, a progression, a relationship. But just look at the life you are born into,
everything is a walk, nothing is zap you have arrived. If you want a definative statement,
those who claim it is a simple single event are always going to be wrong. Events are beginnings
with a lead up and consequences that roll from them, but they acknowledge the flow and progress
always looking forward to the next step.
Not all the issues are dealt with in one day which is why we spend 12 years in school, and often
3 years at university. And we are still pretty dumb at the end.
So in one realisation of God and our need, reaching out to God in repentance and faith is all
there ever needs to be? Nope.
It is why we have a bible of 66 books with vast issues and complexities touched on but not
resolved.
Ofcourse the one off zappers brigade want to condemn as leading you to hell anything that
says we have a walk, a progression, a relationship. But just look at the life you are born into,
everything is a walk, nothing is zap you have arrived. If you want a definative statement,
those who claim it is a simple single event are always going to be wrong. Events are beginnings
with a lead up and consequences that roll from them, but they acknowledge the flow and progress
always looking forward to the next step.
Odd. I have not said I do not sin in the past, I do not know about the future, that is in Gods
hands. I cannot deny what I have not said.
Let us put this in context, some have said they sin every second of the day, which means
they are not free from sin ever and the cross means nothing.
This is how confused some are.
hands. I cannot deny what I have not said.
Let us put this in context, some have said they sin every second of the day, which means
they are not free from sin ever and the cross means nothing.
This is how confused some are.
I never said YOU post such memes. And no matter how you spin it, salvation is not a magic wand.. We all sin, you included. I sinned earlier this morning when I swore. YES *gasp* I SINNED. lol.. I admit it, why can't you??
Funny but I do not post such things, this is the opposition on your side, smh
And the magic wand is pass to heaven without collecting a righteous walk
And the magic wand is pass to heaven without collecting a righteous walk
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Yeah let's get real,
peter jeans has, is and will continue to sin and fall short of the glory of God, as will EG, as will every other man woman and child who is living today, has lived in the past, and is yet to be born.
for this reason, God sent his son, to redeem us from our sin, to restore us to the relationship broke when sin entered the world, and to prove to all creation his unfathonable love, that whoever places their faith in him will not perish into everlasting darkness, but be granted eternal life in Christ, sealed by the HOLY SPIRIT.
christ being seeded at the right hand of God, makes intercessionwhen the accuser accuses us, he does not say wait, EG has not yet repented, wait for it,,wait forever r it there EG repented of that sin, now I can intercede on his behalf.
no when the accuser comes, he said, yes EG sinned, and I payed for it on the cross, and I forgave knowing he would do that sin, so satan, please tell me something I do not know,,next!
I pray ray for you Peter, I pray one day you see it mm the lighbulb goes on, and your like , wow. Ok I get it..
peter jeans has, is and will continue to sin and fall short of the glory of God, as will EG, as will every other man woman and child who is living today, has lived in the past, and is yet to be born.
for this reason, God sent his son, to redeem us from our sin, to restore us to the relationship broke when sin entered the world, and to prove to all creation his unfathonable love, that whoever places their faith in him will not perish into everlasting darkness, but be granted eternal life in Christ, sealed by the HOLY SPIRIT.
christ being seeded at the right hand of God, makes intercessionwhen the accuser accuses us, he does not say wait, EG has not yet repented, wait for it,,wait forever r it there EG repented of that sin, now I can intercede on his behalf.
no when the accuser comes, he said, yes EG sinned, and I payed for it on the cross, and I forgave knowing he would do that sin, so satan, please tell me something I do not know,,next!
I pray ray for you Peter, I pray one day you see it mm the lighbulb goes on, and your like , wow. Ok I get it..