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stonesoffire

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I believe it is Christ in us that overcomes. How can we separate ourselves and the Holy Spirit within
as we walk in praise and thanks in all we do? I am not sure I fully know who I am separate from Him in who
I dwell.

As an ambassador, the work of His hands, we are Christ to those about us. Some talk like they can separate
themselves from the works that are uniquely in Christ and ones that are uniquely in the flesh or from self.

Paul says things of the flesh are obvious and things of the Spirit likewise. So we should sow to the Spirit and
reap eternal life, and not to the flesh and reap death.

But then those who say nothing we do has value, they cannot be members of the Kingdom, or be indwelt by
the Holy Spirit or be an ambassador, because only God can do His works........

The works that we do that have value in the sight of God are works of the Spiritual man or woman.
 

GodsGrace101

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Not born from above.
No Stone.

You're reading into the scripture.
Please read it again...Jesus does not even mention being born from above.
He's speaking about those that do good and those that do evil.

Compare it to John 5:28-29 It's the same idea.
28“Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice,
29and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.


Jesus said the above. Notice that there's no mention of being born from above...but what we did.

You can also compare this to Mathew 25:33-46
Notice, again, Jesus only speaks of what people DID...not about being born from above.

This does NOT mean that being born from above is not important...it's the way we're saved.
But what we DO is how we will be judged.

This is an important concept to understand...
Jesus is clear in His speech....no need to wonder.
 

stonesoffire

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No Stone.

You're reading into the scripture.
Please read it again...Jesus does not even mention being born from above.
He's speaking about those that do good and those that do evil.

Compare it to John 5:28-29 It's the same idea.
28“Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice,
29and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.


Jesus said the above. Notice that there's no mention of being born from above...but what we did.

You can also compare this to Mathew 25:33-46
Notice, again, Jesus only speaks of what people DID...not about being born from above.


This does NOT mean that being born from above is not important...it's the way we're saved.
But what we DO is how we will be judged.


This is an important concept to understand...
Jesus is clear in His speech....no need to wonder.
His own do not practice evil.
 

GodsGrace101

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The works that we do that have value in the sight of God are works of the Spiritual man or woman.
All of us here on this thread are born again.

So, yes, the works that we do have value in the eyes of God.

The works of atheists have NO value in the eyes of God.
 

FollowHisSteps

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Good bye again, Not-Goodnewsman, aka false prophet,

And please take notice dear friends that "FollowHisSteps, gave Goodnewsman, "a false prophet", a resounding approval for these self condemning words. Jesus said, "I will build my Church and the gates of hell will not prevail." Matthew 16:18

Winner

FollowHisSteps
Today at 7:11 AM

Matthew 7:15-16aBeware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will recognize them by their fruits.”
Thank you for highlighting my encouragement of an upset brother in Christ.
I do not agree with all he shared about Judas, but to call him a false prophet is very judgemental.

Is this your way of dealing with people? Do you hold back at all?
As you judge so you will be judged.

For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
Matt 7:2

Over the years I have gone through different positions, and I would fear for my position before the
Lord if every person I paused for thought over I called worthy of judgement because they were me once.

So I am wondering, do you pause and listen much.

Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry,
for man's anger does not bring about the righteous life that God desires.
James 1:19-20
 

GodsGrace101

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His own do not practice evil.
I knew you'd say that.
It's a thought process.

You don't know any person that says their Christian and then act badly?
There are some right here on this thread/forum....

Jesus said those that are LAWLESS will not see heaven.
NASB uses the word lawless....same thing, maybe easier to understand.

Lawless means to not follow the law.
Jesus wants us to follow HIS LAWS.
 

gb9

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I'd have to agree.

If we say "God does it all" then we have to accept that He also causes the sin in us because HE failed and not us.

When presented with any decision...we have a choice of which direction we want to take.
When we take the right direction, we can say that the Holy Spirit has helped us to do so...or God dwelling in us, as you put it.

But we can also choose the wrong path...surely God has nothing to do with this...but only the temptation of the evil one.
is the right direction to falsely accuse someone of typing out words that they never typed out?

an then won't address it?
 

stonesoffire

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I knew you'd say that.
It's a thought process.

You don't know any person that says their Christian and then act badly?
There are some right here on this thread/forum....

Jesus said those that are LAWLESS will not see heaven.
NASB uses the word lawless....same thing, maybe easier to understand.

Lawless means to not follow the law.
Jesus wants us to follow HIS LAWS.
Laws? Impersonal isn't it? Voice. Within...
 

Hevosmies

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You could read B,
Read.

I didn't post it for BUDDHISTS or MUSLIMS.

I posted it because YOU posted 1179 which does not tell the whole story.
The CCC is not something easily usable and that one goes to for ONE PARAGRAPH.
Do you know Catholic theology?
Then fahget abaut it.
Looks like catholics are all over the place saying one thing here and one thing there contradicting their own false teachings. Thats what happens when you follow Papa that looks like Mama.
 

gb9

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I believe it is Christ in us that overcomes. How can we separate ourselves and the Holy Spirit within
as we walk in praise and thanks in all we do? I am not sure I fully know who I am separate from Him in who
I dwell.

As an ambassador, the work of His hands, we are Christ to those about us. Some talk like they can separate
themselves from the works that are uniquely in Christ and ones that are uniquely in the flesh or from self.

Paul says things of the flesh are obvious and things of the Spirit likewise. So we should sow to the Spirit and
reap eternal life, and not to the flesh and reap death.

But then those who say nothing we do has value, they cannot be members of the Kingdom, or be indwelt by
the Holy Spirit or be an ambassador, because only God can do His works........
I agree with sowing to the Sprit and not to the flesh.

that is why I keep pointing that it is very important to properly define sin.

the flesh always leans toward " I did not really do anything wrong".

so, do not sow to that , sow to Sprit of truth that will lead you to be truthful about sin.
 

GodsGrace101

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is the right direction to falsely accuse someone of typing out words that they never typed out?

an then won't address it?
I've been accused of worse.
Grow up gb9. You've told me many mean things since I've been here.
If you can't take it...don't dish it out.
 

GodsGrace101

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Laws? Impersonal isn't it? Voice. Within...
We're all listening to the voice within.
We're coming up with different ideas.
why is that?

Aren't we supposed to be reading scripture so we could learn from God...

This is the reason we have the bible...so we could know what God wants.
What is the voice telling you?

I hope it's not telling you that if you just believe...
all we be just fine.
Because that's not what the N.T. or Jesus teaches.
 

GodsGrace101

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@justpassinthrough

Hi,

I wanted you to speak to the fact that no one went looking for the Prodigal Son.

The shepherd went to look for the lost sheep and found it and brought it back.
I like to point out that the sheep went willingly.

But no one went to look for the son.
Why?
And why did he go back to the father?
 

FollowHisSteps

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I understand you believe the words of a false prophet
I am struck by a situation from my past.
I was part of a ministry, which a "prophet" stood up and claimed judgement would fall on the ministry.
We did not know of this "prophets" warning, and it was not a repent of this or this will happen, it was judgement
will fall, until after the time the judgement had been told it would fall.

Safe to say they may have been sincere, but nothing happened, so by definition they were a false prophet, but not
because of what they believed, but because their prophecy failed to come about.

Now when events have been predicted, sadly, probably out of hurt, so the prophecy is probably not of God, but equally
I always check with the Lord to see if He brings conviction in my life that I need to resolve. God declares this

"It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God."
Heb 10:31

While equally we are protected by His hand, kept by His Spirit and encouraged by the Hope that dwells within.
Amen.

In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one.
Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.
Eph 6:16-17
 

gb9

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I've been accused of worse.
Grow up gb9. You've told me many mean things since I've been here.
If you can't take it...don't dish it out.
I can take it.

I just do not like someone of accusing me of typing out words I did not type.

I have never typed to you that you are going to hell.

so, apology. or pull the post where I said it. ( hint- in ain't there. I did not say those words.)
 

FollowHisSteps

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The works that we do that have value in the sight of God are works of the Spiritual man or woman.
I had a thought experiment. It was looking through time at the actions of each persons life.
And I saw eternal gifts of love, actions that reflected Gods love done and expressed by believers.
And it was these things that had real value, and were not temporary but like markers through time.

I liked this idea, because anyone in Christ can do these things, and it is these actions that matter.
Jesus alludes to this talking about rewards for certain deeds done. These deeds matter to our Lord,
so they matter to us as well. God bless you.
 

FollowHisSteps

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Judgement

I was touched by the disciples when they were rejected.

And he sent messengers on ahead, who went into a Samaritan village to get things ready for him;
but the people there did not welcome him, because he was heading for Jerusalem.
When the disciples James and John saw this, they asked, "Lord, do you want us to call fire down from heaven to destroy them?"
But Jesus turned and rebuked them, and they went to another village.
Luke 9:52-56

So a village did not want Jesus to come to them because he was going on to Jerusalem.
Is this a crime worthy of destruction? Nope, Jesus did not think so.

I wonder if we listen to our feelings when things do not go as we hoped, would there be anything
left? I am glad we are frail limited creatures who can learn how to walk in Gods Spirit. We need it.
 
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If you respect Gods word, are you aiming at perfection?
If not, you are not respecting His word. It is that simple.
I am aiming at serving others
Well... I was gonna reply to this, but saw the message from admin.

Of course this person needed to be banned, but I feel a little disturbed and sad not only for him, but I think he said he was the Pastor of a small Church.

This is a deranged individual. I pray in Jesus Name, he gets the help he needs, and causes no harm to those he impacts.
i misred him completely, i actually though we could communicate. Talk about being fooled!