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GodsGrace101

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Hi Fran, you are holding everyone here to a "high standard of journalism", correct; well I believe as you do that Jesus taught His follower's, "to be kind and loving", also to love God and our neighbor as thyself. But Jesus did not teach His follower's to "love everyone", as you say.

Not everyone is deserving of our "love and kindness", would you not agree, or should we "be kind to all and love everyone", without prejudice. Are there not some cases where we should rather show anger and withhold love and kindness like Jesus also did with the money changes in the Temple courts?

Attempting to be kind I know it's late in your beautiful country paradise Italy right now....
Italy :)

Matthew 21:12
Jesus entered the temple courts and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves
I'm sorry TT, I can't agree with the above.
I don't believe Jesus agrees with you either. In Mathew 5:44 Jesus tells us that we are to love our enemies too, and those that persecute us....IN ORDER to be Sons of our Father in Heaven.

This means that if we expect to be Sons of God, we must love our neighbor. Jesus continues to say that if we love only our friends and those that love us....what reward do we have? None! Even the tax gatherers do the same. He then tell us to be perfect like our Father in heaven is perfect...IOW,,,,to do what our Father expects from us...the best we can.

I like to be kind to everyone. At times I'm personally attacked and might make a harsh statement when pushed to it...this is because I'm not perfect and sin...It is NOT what Jesus would expect from me.

If we show anger...we turn the person off (as I have been turned off to some on this thread) and we no longer listen to them or care what they say. It's good to be nice to everyone...it's a good testimony of our Christianity.

Because Jesus was mad does not give us the right to be mad. Jesus was God,,,we're not. He was mad...a righteous mad... Being on a forum and discussing a difference of opinion on a doctrine does NOT give us the right to be mad.

Jesus wanted His church to be ONE.
Jesus and the writers spoke a lot about this. The tongue can kill. Here's one verse:

Ephesians 4:29
Let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such a word as is good for edification according to the need of the moment, so that it will give grace to those who hear.
 

FollowHisSteps

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And he soon died after marrying a witch and drinking blood in the ceremony......I watched an interview with him in the which he admitted to killing a man on a highway one night and he stated the mans spirit "leapt" into his soul and was there to that very day
I did not know this.
If life is actually purgatory, the place between heaven and hell, once you have closed the door, the door
will probably be closed on you.

We make Jesus more complicated than necessary and walking in His ways vastly more distant than He
has shown. 3 years living with the disciples, and they were clean, walking righteously.
That should make anyone think twice about their own simple compromises and wonder what does
Jesus actually mean.
 
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You make me laugh, really laugh.

This is people getting so high on their high horse, coming with the tanks, artillery and bombs
and then blowing themselves up.

Children need a safe place to learn and grow. In this safe place they can do what they like, but
they will get gently put right. Here we have tin pot dictators, one "crime" and booom, you spawn
of satan, burn them, here is the pyre ..............

Maybe it is a puritan southern baptist type thing ...... I only see these people on line so I do not know .....
sorry if I am slandering the puritan southern baptists ...... they are very blessed men and women of God.

I can see the pyre being built for me, ohhh no, I am so sorry, but hey, thank you Jesus for being released.
You seem like a a good honest person that really loves God, Who tries to see the best in everybody. That's a good quality to have, I need more of it
 

Hevosmies

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Why do you feel that
The Bible teaches imo its a sin to be unemployed.

"If a man does not work, neither should he eat" <-

It says the same thing in the OT too, the principle is clear.

I WOULD LOVE TO BE WRONG ON THIS THOUGH. So bring it on brother Bill, make me feel better :D
 
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False teaching is a serious thing with dire consequences for the saved who fall for its delusion and the unsaved who do not hear the true Gospel

I have no doubt there is an all out assault on the truth presently.....

Salvation is a one time event. It is not a lifelong process.
The True Gospel is Once Saved Always Saved, Eternal Security, No Works Required, all provided freely by the Grace of God.

Salvation is a process.


It begins with being born again.


It ends with us inheriting the kingdom of God; inheriting eternal life.


Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in;
Matthew 25:34-35


Again


And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or lands, for My name’s sake, shall receive a hundredfold, and inherit eternal life.
Matthew 19:29


again



In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while, if need be, you have been grieved by various trials, that the genuineness of your faith, being much more precious than gold that perishes, though it is tested by fire, may be found to praise, honor, and glory at the revelation of Jesus Christ, whom having not seen you love. Though now you do not see Him, yet believing, you rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory, receiving the end of your faith—the salvation of your souls.
1 Peter 1:6-9





JPT
 

cv5

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Are you saying the above are works?
I mean,,, I'm ready to hear anything nowadays.
Absolutely I am saying these are works. Abraham leaving Ur was a work, predicated upon the faith he was previously granted.....
 

GodsGrace101

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Absolutely I am saying these are works. Abraham leaving Ur was a work, predicated upon the faith he was previously granted.....
So...if we follow God's commandments and do these works,,,
it's good , right?
 

BillG

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The Bible teaches imo its a sin to be unemployed.

"If a man does not work, neither should he eat" <-

It says the same thing in the OT too, the principle is clear.

I WOULD LOVE TO BE WRONG ON THIS THOUGH. So bring it on brother Bill, make me feel better :D
Not having a job is not a sin.

The following is what upsets Paul.

2 Thessalonians 3:11-12
Paul’s Commands
11 Yet we hear that some of you are living idle lives, refusing to work and meddling in other people’s business. 12 We command such people and urge them in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ to settle down and work to earn their own living.

I can't see unemployment in any of the things Paul said that if you do then you will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

If you do not have a job it does not stop you doing work though, even if unpaid.
 

Hevosmies

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Not having a job is not a sin.

The following is what upsets Paul.

2 Thessalonians 3:11-12
Paul’s Commands
11 Yet we hear that some of you are living idle lives, refusing to work and meddling in other people’s business. 12 We command such people and urge them in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ to settle down and work to earn their own living.

I can't see unemployment in any of the things Paul said that if you do then you will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

If you do not have a job it does not stop you doing work though, even if unpaid.
So you would say its the REFUSAL to work thats a sin? Okay. That makes sense. I wont refuse work! NEVER HAVE!
 

FollowHisSteps

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Hi Fran, you are holding everyone here to a "high standard of journalism", correct; well I believe as you do that Jesus taught His follower's, "to be kind and loving", also to love God and our neighbor as thyself. But Jesus did not teach His follower's to "love everyone", as you say.

Not everyone is deserving of our "love and kindness", would you not agree, or should we "be kind to all and love everyone", without prejudice. Are there not some cases where we should rather show anger and withhold love and kindness like Jesus also did with the money changes in the Temple courts?

Attempting to be kind I know it's late in your beautiful country paradise Italy right now....
Italy :)

Matthew 21:12
Jesus entered the temple courts and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves
"Jesus did not teach His follower's to "love everyone" "

I have to say this subject is sunday school level of bible teaching.
And my friend TT, you have been in the church longer than sunday school I think.

It also worries me.

Jesus said we must "Love our neighbour as yourself" mark 12:31
Jesus said we must "Love your enemies" Matt 5:43
Jesus said we must "Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. " Matt 13:34

1. Is this the list of Jesus's commands about loving people?
2. Is there any human who is not our neighbour, our enemy, or a brother and sister in Christ?

If there is no one outside Jesus's description, He calls us to love everyone.
But this is not forgiving everyone, dealing with them without taking sin into account, not
going to war with them etc.

This is why the word "loving" is not a simple phrase but multilayered.
 
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Currently its 3:39PM!

Im sinning by not having a job atm so thats why im typing here
You're not sinning by not having a job. God knows the desires of your heart. Just keep looking he will open a door for you

Sometimes life throws us a curveball we find ourselves in places and situations we don't like. Jesus told his disciples one day to get in the boat and cross the sea.... while they were in the boat that Jesus told them to get in a storm came up and they were fighting for their lives. Right in the middle of a deadly storm but also right in the middle of the will of God. Just remember he is the eye of the storm

I like what Warren wiersbe said when God allows his children to go through the fire he has his eye on the clock and his hand is on the thermostat, he knows how hot to let the fire get and how long to leave us in it

I will be praying you find a job
 

FollowHisSteps

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News flash, God was not laughing.
Laughter often comes in ridiculous and hopelessly confused situations.
And if this thread proves anything, it actually needs a lot more praise, rejoicing, laughter and
grace.

But maybe if we did this, it would not play to your strengths my friend, putting everyone right,
on the important issues ....... :ROFL:

I am sure you were this fun in school :eek: :love: :ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL:
 

BillG

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So you would say its the REFUSAL to work thats a sin? Okay. That makes sense. I wont refuse work! NEVER HAVE!
I would say so.

If a person is looking for work but cannot get work, why would that be a sin?

Big difference between will not and wanting to and looking.
 

Hevosmies

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You're not sinning by not having a job. God knows the desires of your heart. Just keep looking he will open a door for you

Sometimes life throws us a curveball we find ourselves in places and situations we don't like. Jesus told his disciples one day to get in the boat and cross the sea.... while they were in the boat that Jesus told them to get in a storm came up and they were fighting for their lives. Right in the middle of a deadly storm but also right in the middle of the will of God. Just remember he is the eye of the storm

I will be praying you find a job
Thanks a lot!

I will start mopping floors, I DONT MIND THAT!
 
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Did you ever find that book you said you owned called the book of Naomi...I think I read were you said you had one at home????

I hope you find that book and send a picture....I wouldn't you to be accused of lying...........
I never said i had a book called naomi, and would love for you to show were i did.

So your already assuming things which were never said.

Nor did you understand what i was saying.