Not By Works

[eternally-gratefull]

What's this young woman a preacher or your pastor? Is that what offended you so

Again, proof you have not gone back to read, and have no understanding of what is being said.

How can you claim to know what people may think when you have not gone to actually read.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So you do not want to know people and their pain?
How can you love another without feeling their pain?

We are called to have love for others

Put on then, as God’s chosen ones, holy and beloved, compassionate hearts, kindness, humility, meekness, and patience,
col 3:12

You make me think maybe I am wrong, we should actually hate evil doers and judge them to Hell.
"Get real." Sounds like the legalist, once a sinner always a sinner tribe........

You obviously have ulterior motives, you have no idea of what i am trying to say.

Good day sir.

 

[Hevosmies]

eternally-gratefull did you serve in American military and what southern state are you from?

dcontroversal do you have any sermons on youtube? Do you got a southern accent? or are you born and raised in Missouri?

PS: I find it TROUBLING that the MREs they give American soldiers are better than anything I can cook! That Spaghetti+beef+chocolate milk+jelly+bread is QUITE GOOD!

 

[BillG]

Yeah thanks bro. I feel a lot less like a rat now!

Economy is tough in Europe!

Yes it is.

I don't know what country you live but in England people will not work because they get more from the welfare system, and they manipulate it.

I know many who have flash T.V.s, cable and sky subscriptions, always upgrade to the latest top of the range smartphone.

When I was studying for my accountancy exams my salary was £25k before tax and NI.

A family we knew about 10 doors down got more than that in benefits and had a smaller family than me.

It does bug me.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

I never said i had a book called naomi, and would love for you to show were i did.
So your already assuming things which were never said.
Nor did you understand what i was saying.

Mormon book, i have one at home but i will not be home until saterday, it makes alot of sense though, as to why he believes the way he does. Never would have suspected him to be mormon though

Above is a demonstration of why this is a minefield to walk into.
It is always about our true objectives, persuasion or domination.

I love Jesus because He desires to persuade us that He is the Son of God, and that we might learn.
He is God and could have chosen another approach.

He will dominate at the judgement, so I am not saying He will not exert His authority or does not
exert it in the moment, but His will is that we might freely love Him because of who He is.

I do not apologise for making these comparisons, because our calling is sure and the truth will
always win, because it is Jesus.

 

[Hevosmies]

Yes it is.

I don't know what country you live but in England people will not work because they get more from the welfare system, and they manipulate it.

I know many who have flash T.V.s, cable and sky subscriptions, always upgrade to the latest top of the range smartphone.

When I was studying for my accountancy exams my salary was £25k before tax and NI.

A family we knew about 10 doors down got more than that in benefits and had a smaller family than me.

It does bug me.

Oy vey! I dont even have a phone with internet! No subscriptions to nothing!

But Sky sports I am familiar with! An english boxer called "ANTHONY JOSHUA" (and many others) is boxing on that platform and DAZN!

I like the UK, many of my favorite boxers are from there, Dillian Whyte, Dereck Chisora, Callum Smith, Billy Joe Saunders, Tyson Fury the gypsy king. We are the true gypsies indeed!
Nice country! Tea and crumpets and all that! Home of KING JIMMY bible!

 

[FollowHisSteps]

You obviously have ulterior motives, you have no idea of what i am trying to say.
Good day sir.

What are you trying to say?
You are very, very eloquent, make your feelings publically known, constantly, in the clearest terms.

If you cannot say what you are trying to say, I suggest you think more about the content, and
when you are ready, you share it.

I suggest you do not like shinning the light on what is happening, which the Holy Spirit brings into
all our lives in Christ Jesus. It is our faith, because in each believer the Holy Spirit dwells.

My motives are simply to follow Jesus, as my handle suggests. I am this clear and easy to see.
Let us encourage one another to bring praise to our King, because He is worthy of it. Amen

 

[stonesoffire]

If i said anything wrong, please share

I started asking him nicely, he not only continued, he got worse, then started to try to blame shift.

He is not the first one to act that way he will not be the last.

By the way, he was the one throwing arrows. Starting by saying a sister did not do something a sister not only did, but did a few times, he mocked her and then lied about her

Its time to start calling out sin for what it is and that started long before things got out of hand,

My post wasn't about anyone but Lightbearer. I was on the bible discussion site that he moderated for years and I know him. He's sensitive to others no matter who.

I know goodnewsman wasn't giving us good news at all. But, speaking the truth in love is difficult when we know how fast a spoiled apple can affect the whole basket. I get it.

Also, I saw too that Lightbearer was being attacked about the Sabbath day. He didn't say anything back but I know for a fact that he goes to the meetings because he loves the people. It doesn't mean that he believes the same. I remember reading what he said about it.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

eternally-gratefull did you serve in American military and what southern state are you from?

dcontroversal do you have any sermons on youtube? Do you got a southern accent? or are you born and raised in Missouri?

PS: I find it TROUBLING that the MREs they give American soldiers are better than anything I can cook! That Spaghetti+beef+chocolate milk+jelly+bread is QUITE GOOD!

Retired, and Ohio, not southern..lol

 

[GodsGrace101]

here is one-

lady ask man question ( about the Narrow Way).

man answers question.

lady cannot refute answer, so accuses the man of telling her she is going to hell, and says she does not respond to any who say such things. ( which were not said,)

man points out to lady he did not type the words that lady accused him of typing, and ask for an apology.

lady tells man to grow up.

now, this is a true story, involving me and fran.

some may call this an " misunderstanding " or say " well, that's an emotional subject".

I call falsely accusing someone , then refusing to acknowledge it.

in other words, sin.

many on here need to call sin out, and stop excusing it.

Oh yeah!
I agree with you on that.
The exact words "you are going to hell" don't even have to be said.
It could be that I will be with the plentious (not from you)
or some other such words.
It should not even be hinted by a Christian that another Christian can go to hell, or however you want to word it.

People have asked me to post direct scripture and I did.
Did I get an apology?
No. Not even a confirmation.

So you expect me to go back pages and pages to find where you told me this?
You've told me plenty of mean things and have not treated my like a sister in Christ that disagrees with your doctrine. You've treated me as an enemy and tax gatherer and this is wrong.
You don't have to like me but why hate me? What exactly have I done to you?
Have I moved you from your comfort zone? YOU don't agree with ME...do I tell YOU you're going to hell, or any such words? No.

In fact I've stated MANY TIMES that our DOCTRINE does not save us...Jesus does.
Now @dcontroversal does believe doctrine saves us and he has put me with the plentious, in those words.

If doctrine is what saves us then we're all in trouble because if we all think "I am right" then NO ONE is right and all has been misunderstood.

God help us to come to know how much we're loved and that we are to feel secure in HIS ARMS and are to be PROUD to be Christian and to WANT to follow EVERY COMMAND of His the best we can, and when we cannot, that we have an advocate with the Father.

 

[GodsGrace101]

My post wasn't about anyone but Lightbearer. I was on the bible discussion site that he moderated for years and I know him. He's sensitive to others no matter who.

I know goodnewsman wasn't giving us good news at all. But, speaking the truth in love is difficult when we know how fast a spoiled apple can affect the whole basket. I get it.

Also, I saw too that Lightbearer was being attacked about the Sabbath day. He didn't say anything back but I know for a fact that he goes to the meetings because he loves the people. It doesn't mean that he believes the same. I remember reading what he said about it.

Conversations such as this....which are a waste of time we all don't have....
would not be necessary if we just treated each other with respect.

If we did...we could get on to real conversation.

 

[stonesoffire]

Paul was worried that some of them may be deceived just like eve was deceived.

...But I AM AFRAID that just as Eve was DECEIVED by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be LED ASTRAY from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. 2 Corinthians 11:3

The truth is that the deceiver has been deceiving from the beginning until now.

These deceivers will REJECT and NULLIFY the Word and believe the deceiving spirits.(Isaiah 5:20-24, Mark 7:6-13)

...while evil men and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. 2 Timothy 3:13

...THE SPIRIT CLEARLY SAYS that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through HYPOCRITICAL LIARS, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 1 Timothy 4:1-2

How would we know who were the ones that were deceived?

We know that Eve was deceived when she believed the deceiver and disobeyed God's command.

Who are the deceivers and who were deceived?

..But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. 18 They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” 19 These are the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.

...At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. Matthew 24:10‭-‬14‭, ‬24

...For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve. 2 Corinthians 11:13‭-‬15

And those that were deceived believed in the deceivers mentioned above and disobeyed God's commands because they were made to believe that they would not surely die, IOW, "always saved". But scriptures warn us not to be deceived;

...Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore do not be partners with them. Ephesians 5:6‭-‬7

...Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?” The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’ ” “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. “For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”... Genesis 3:1‭-‬19

Just think what could have happened if Eve did not believe the serpents deception but OBEYED God instead. ...NO NEED TO DISCUSS SALVATION FOR SURE because no one needs to be saved.

The truth is that Adam and Eve were created according to the image of God's righteousness and holiness and they BELIEVE and OBEY God until they got DECEIVED and disobeyed God. If they were deceived, why can't you?

Did God warn us about the deception? If He did, then why refuse to take heed of them?

So who would say now that OBEDIENCE TO GOD HAS NO BEARING IN SALVATION?

Oh, give it a rest will you?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Above is a demonstration of why this is a minefield to walk into.
It is always about our true objectives, persuasion or domination.

I love Jesus because He desires to persuade us that He is the Son of God, and that we might learn.
He is God and could have chosen another approach.

He will dominate at the judgement, so I am not saying He will not exert His authority or does not
exert it in the moment, but His will is that we might freely love Him because of who He is.

I do not apologise for making these comparisons, because our calling is sure and the truth will
always win, because it is Jesus.

See, and thanks for showing

I said i have the book of mormon, i did not onow if the book of naomi was in it, and could not look to verify until i got hom on saturday.

He said i had a naomi book, and insinuatd something i nver said or even suggested. Proving he did not read what i said.

Yet he can judge us for juding nonewsman wrong and attacking him??

Now if people were paying attention, they would have noticed, this, but far to many people are just trying to prove others wrong they do not see what is really being said, or they made an honest mistake and will freely admit such

When they do not admit they made an error, that is the people who are dangerous, because they are not focused on what is said, they are focused on some goal which is usually to prove someone else wrong, or prove themselves right.

If i get to the point i refuse to admit a mistake and try to blame shift, then i am in trouble, because my belief should be able to stand without me trying to defend myself at all costs.
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[eternally-gratefull]

My post wasn't about anyone but Lightbearer. I was on the bible discussion site that he moderated for years and I know him. He's sensitive to others no matter who.

I know goodnewsman wasn't giving us good news at all. But, speaking the truth in love is difficult when we know how fast a spoiled apple can affect the whole basket. I get it.

Also, I saw too that Lightbearer was being attacked about the Sabbath day. He didn't say anything back but I know for a fact that he goes to the meetings because he loves the people. It doesn't mean that he believes the same. I remember reading what he said about it.

This was not what i was trying to say,

 

[FollowHisSteps]

See, and thanks for showing

I said i have the book of mormon, i did not onow if the book of naomi was in it, and could not look to verify until i got hom on saturday.

He said i had a naomi book, and insinuatd something i nver said or even suggested. Proving he did not read what i said.

Yet he can judge us for juding nonewsman wrong and attacking him??

Now if people were paying attention, they would have noticed, this, but far to many people are just trying to prove others wrong they do not see what is really being said, or they made an honest mistake and will freely admit such

When they do not admit they made an error, that is the people who are dangerous, because they are not focused on what is said, they are focused on some goal which is usually to prove someone else wrong, or prove themselves right.

If i get to the point i refuse to admit a mistake and try to blame shift, then i am in trouble, because my belief should be able to stand without me trying to defend myself at all costs.
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Is this the good works we are called to do?
Mountains rise from mole hills, blows are struck because prides are hurt, so blows are given back.

This is how the world works. Jesus bring us peace, patience, kindness, forgiveness and self control.

Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God. Matt 5:9

 

[stonesoffire]

Conversations such as this....which are a waste of time we all don't have....
would not be necessary if we just treated each other with respect.

If we did...we could get on to real conversation.

Respect and true love is posting truth. All about Jesus and His work. I'm not in disagreement with my brethren.

 

[stonesoffire]

This was not what i was trying to say,

EG, your post was the first one I read. I wasn't targeting anyone. Just defending one.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Conversations such as this....which are a waste of time we all don't have....
would not be necessary if we just treated each other with respect.

If we did...we could get on to real conversation.

Good afternoon Grace101,

I feel very blessed today. I repaired our washing machine, the motor had died, and I found a way to test its
circuits, bought a new one, put it in, and it worked. Wife very pleased, but did not believe it would work.

Also, saw how Jesus calls us to have patience with one another, just as He had patience with the disciples.
And they wanted some wacky things. What a good day to praise His name, Amen.

 

[stonesoffire]

I wonder at the art of becoming a king of the mountain, using words, religious ideas, picking a battle cry,
and then metaphorically slaying all comers.

I do love the interplay, and how to get better at the rules.
But when the players think they are playing a real game, thats when it goes pear shaped.

The real game is to be like Jesus, transformed through the Holy Spirit working in our hearts.
But sadly few know the bible that well, and His words do not dwell in their hearts unless it confirms
their bias. No wonder, our hearts need to say every day we are ok, or else why would we get out of bed.

I just want to meet Jesus and embrace Him, because He is Lord, and my friend.
His words I once did not understand, and now ring truer than anything else I have found, a true
jewel hidden in a field I was able to buy. Amen.

Nobody but PJ ever said amen after his own sayings.

 

[GodsGrace101]

Respect and true love is posting truth. All about Jesus and His work. I'm not in disagreement with my brethren.

Very sad to hear this.
It must mean I'm not your sister in Christ.

Sad indeed.
And which LIE would you say I posted?

Could you list it please and post some supporting scripture to support your belief, that is exactly the same as your brethren....

And so other Christians that do not agree with you are not your brethren?
Sad indeed.

This is what false doctrine brings to.