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HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAA Theologians HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHAH you mean people that reject verb tense, context, word definitions, and OBVIOUS truth while twisting the truth, embellishing the truth and what we say??.....HAD you said that I would have agreed.......
English has its flaws. i think there is a reason that God chose to pitch His tent among us when Greek had become the universal language of the area. His hand was certainly with Alexander, or that man could never have prospered as he did; it was God's will to raise him up and give so much into his hands.
the Bible is amazingly complex & self-referential in a way that no other text in the history of the world, that i'm aware of, has ever been. that's a really neat picture-analogy you put, about 'hyper text' - all these verses linking to others!
i never really had any inkling of just how extraordinary this Book is, until i started taking John 5:39 seriously as a command. i believed it, for sure, but i saw it just like the Vedas or the Koran or the I-Ching etc -- collective wisdom & history and law, with the exception that this was pure wisdom, untainted, and perfectly true. i think that's how most Christians view the Bible, actually.
but in John 5:39 we find Christ commanding to search the scriptures, saying that they testify of Him. ((a lot of translations have this wrong, IMO, in an awkward, interpretive attempt to make it readable in English, whatever 'readable' means -- it is specifically an imperative verb form, "search." He's not describing what they do, He's telling them, do this. and He tells them what to be searching for, because He says they testify of Him))
so when i look at the Bible searching for it testifying of Christ? it really comes alive. every single page, every single paragraph is webbed together with all other scripture in a fantastic, synchronous mesh of spiritual truth, speaking of and describing the work and person of Jesus, the Son and perfect projection of God into flesh. it's fractal, with repeating motifs on both large and small scales, and with what are called 'strange attractors' in math, like super-nodes in a graph, with a multitude of connections that hundreds of paths cross through - like Genesis 3, like John 1. there is no other book like this; it is alive, and powerful, and complex beyond human understanding!
.. as if God Himself is the only one who could have written it ((lol))
Of course Bill......the salvation loser and workers for MUST twist the truth on a regular basis in order to peddle a losable salvation.......just like the last several days of people trying to peddle was saved and the lost it.......pure ignorance....
you are the pearl.
He is the one who sold everything and bought the whole field - the whole field of 'you' for the priceless treasure that is in you, that He sees, and knows, and went out to seek and save. His inheritance
if these parables are about salvation, we have to understand that it is not something man can buy - eternal life isn't something that rich man could inherit by 'doing some good thing' as though earning it. but we were the ones bought at a price: a price He paid
Oh Fran is an emotional person.
In have known her for a long time and she does have emotions.
She reacts emotionally as we all do.
Positively and negatively.
But if ever we met I would love to spend time with her and share a meal with her.
Having got to know her and talk about life I know a bit about what is going on.
Given what I know she is a stalwart as we say over here, I won't divulge.
Infact she gave me reassurance when I thought I was not saved whilst deep in sin.
The fact that I was deep in sin but not lost faith in Jesus she reassured me I was saved.
Now compared with a few on here who believe that you can lose salvation through sin she is far removed from that.
Fran I hope you don't mind me saying the above.
But I know you, I love you as a sister and know what you are going through.
Even though we disagree with some theology.
Anyway to finish off.
God does not predestine sin.
He can't, if he does then he is the cause of sin.
Bill,,,Jesus used the sheep analogy because there were shepherds in those days.
He said that heaven will rejoice over one sinner...
one sheep that is found...
even one that had wandered off....
because Jesus knew that it could also happen that sheep are NOT found.
You must know about this....
This is what could happen to a sheep when it wanders off...
The reason being is that there are some on here who believe that we do not know what faith means and what it entails.
I made this point yesterday concerning belief.
I have friends who believe Jesus is an historical figure, therefore a belief of Jesus.
Yet it stops there. I even know a few who hope their good works will outweigh the bad ones, and then compare themselves against others.
Which is different from someone who believes in and upon Jesus for salvation, and that alone.
Now when we say that then we are accused of using that as an excuse to sin, sit back and do nothing and get into heaven.
Even though the term genuine faith is not used a faith that is genuine will bear fruit.
The field is the world.....FRAN....if yo cannot be honest with what is said and what Christ said himself, quit addressing me....I am sick to death of your complete dishonesty and stupid accusations like above!
It depends on the situation.
If he leaves the others alone,,,maybe an hour or so.
If there's someone with the others,,,,longer.
Sheep are precious and are worth money....
in this case he will go further and most probably find the sheep,
either dead or alive.