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Hevosmies

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They are all part of the same clan.

The reason it is being exposed more and more is because they want to normalize it, slowly breaking down the horror of it, same play
I agree they are trying to make it normal, just like they did with the LGBT stuff, its considered regular now. If you speak against LGBT you are speaking hatespeech and you're the bad guy!

Well too BAD for the agenda, i dont care WHAT anyone says, i dont care what society considers normal. NEVER BACK DOWN!
 

YourTruthGod

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This language the Royal Law of Love is used by the unitarian church United Church of God.
This sounds like the denomination you might belong to.

It explains your reluctance to declare where you are coming from.
You are falsely judging me. The royal law is from the scriptures. I do not belong to any denomination. I go against things that unitarians teach.
 

FollowHisSteps

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I just go by the scriptures. I don't go by theological schools.

In what way do you think I am like a preterist?


No way does it do that.
How would man be held responsible for sin then?
Do you think that God made Abel do better than Cain? Abel was righteous.
Do you think that God made Noah not be as bad a sinners as the others? Noah was considered righteous.
I can give you more examples, but you really only needed one.
God did not make Noah more righteous. Noah made contact with God, repented and walked in the Lords ways.
It appears the Lord will make contact with people who are prepared to humble themselves and listen.

But the start all as sinners, lost and doomed to judgement just like Adam after the fall.
The way you are expressing your ideas is Preterist. In an odd way I like people to discover
their way of thinking and then are able to explore other perspectives.
 

YourTruthGod

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God did not make Noah more righteous.
You are the one who went against me about righteous people before being saved.
Noah made contact with God, repented and walked in the Lords ways.
It appears the Lord will make contact with people who are prepared to humble themselves and listen.
Give the scripture that says it like that.
But the start all as sinners, lost and doomed to judgement just like Adam after the fall.
The way you are expressing your ideas is Preterist. In an odd way I like people to discover
their way of thinking and then are able to explore other perspectives.
You falsely judge me.
 

FollowHisSteps

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You are falsely judging me. The royal law is from the scriptures. I do not belong to any denomination. I go against things that unitarians teach.
I am not saying you are this, I was just asking questions.
I did not know about the Nazarene church until recently and now realise my perspectives line
up well with what they are aiming at. What you find here is there are problems with all our
positions, and seeing them often can change how we handle our faith.

The royal law is not a phrase I have ever heard of before.
 

dcontroversal

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WOW.....the scum bag was sentenced ONLY ABOUT 6 years for RAPING A LITTLE BOY AND 5 OTHER counts of sexual abuse..........this judge must be a moron! And the news is calling it a lenghty sentence......shakes my head at the total lack of intelligence and or justice.....
 
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Well, the glory of God is a prominent factor throughout the entire Bible. It will be accomplished in entirety.
I do not believe that God would in any way put his divine glory, or my eternal destiny in the hands of an imperfect, sinful, mortal, being such as myself.
The will of God has been established somewhere in eternity past. Nothing, NOTHING, will alter, manipulate, or thwart that will whatsoever.
It is God and God alone who justifies. Myy justification is by no means conditional upon anything that pertains to a physical action or decision of my mortal mind (which is the enemy of the spirit of God).
I thank God for his wisdom, mercy, forgiveness, and love in which he bestows abundantly and generously upon me.
There is no "status quo" placed upon my imperfect self to obtain the perfection required to enter into the glory and presence of the most holy and perfect eternal creator.
If there's the smallest factor placed upon me to accomplish anything needed for the glory of God or my eternal destiny I need not hope nor adhere to accomplishing either.
 

Hevosmies

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You said this was in Australia right? They are known to give small sentences.

I know homies that did only a decade for MURRRDA! (parole after that)
 
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WOW.....the scum bag was sentenced ONLY ABOUT 6 years for RAPING A LITTLE BOY AND 5 OTHER counts of sexual abuse..........this judge must be a moron!
My take....He is one too, or he is compromised in some way that would hurt his position. Like I said it is a big sick club.
 

stonesoffire

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I know the language but it does not have a biblical foundation.
We are human not spirit. The Holy Spirit dwells within us.
This language of the eternal and supernatural is the world of spiritualism, 3rd heaven,
angels, special knowledge etc. Most we are banned from getting involved with and
leads to massive herisies and is a large part of the new age movement, NAR, and charismatic
movements, open heaven etc.

Again the fruit of such dabbling has lead to a prophesy movement which spouts rubbish
and claims God is telling them to do this. It is obvious sinful behaviour, similar to adultery
and new age ideas. A prophet who claims to speak from God but talks falsely should be put
to death. But such fellowship praise such attempts of faith.

So if you are talking about this, no thanks, not ever.
Seeing Todd Bentley and the fiasco, along with Bethel, gold dust and feathers, really?
I'm speaking of identity. You will be only what you see.

The spiritual man/woman. It's not just a concept but reality.
 

FollowHisSteps

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You are the one who went against me about righteous people before being saved.
Give the scripture that says it like that.
You falsely judge me.
My friend, please do not think I am going against you.
I am trying to understand how you are expressing your ideas.

I follow a position that as unbelievers we are born into sin.
Just not acknowledging God and His position is sinful, and the first things humans do
against strangers. One could express this as a lack of spirituality and a rejection of God,
which we are born into. Within this perspective, no one is righteous, and this lack
of communion and being hurt as we grow leads us to sinful behaviour.

However one expresses this idea, all falling short is a fundamental Christian belief.
 

YourTruthGod

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I am not saying you are this, I was just asking questions.
I did not know about the Nazarene church until recently and now realise my perspectives line
up well with what they are aiming at. What you find here is there are problems with all our
positions, and seeing them often can change how we handle our faith.

The royal law is not a phrase I have ever heard of before.
You have been falsely judging me. I already told you before that I did not belong to any denomination.
 

FollowHisSteps

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I'm speaking of identity. You will be only what you see.
The spiritual man/woman. It's not just a concept but reality.
I read you statement. Where is this in scripture, anywhere?
I have seen people saying we can all get a new spirit heart from God by just asking God to give it to us,
an eternal heart that will never die, and is the real us. Funnily they did this to a TV audience, asking them
to respond within 20 seconds of being asked the question.

So I am somewhat cynical of such language and ideas, unless you can show any foundation in scripture.
 

YourTruthGod

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Well, the glory of God is a prominent factor throughout the entire Bible. It will be accomplished in entirety.
I do not believe that God would in any way put his divine glory, or my eternal destiny in the hands of an imperfect, sinful, mortal, being such as myself.
The will of God has been established somewhere in eternity past. Nothing, NOTHING, will alter, manipulate, or thwart that will whatsoever.
It is God and God alone who justifies. Myy justification is by no means conditional upon anything that pertains to a physical action or decision of my mortal mind (which is the enemy of the spirit of God).
I thank God for his wisdom, mercy, forgiveness, and love in which he bestows abundantly and generously upon me.
There is no "status quo" placed upon my imperfect self to obtain the perfection required to enter into the glory and presence of the most holy and perfect eternal creator.
If there's the smallest factor placed upon me to accomplish anything needed for the glory of God or my eternal destiny I need not hope nor adhere to accomplishing either.
No scripture anywhere says that God saves unbelievers. No scripture anywhere says God makes us obey.
 

FollowHisSteps

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You have been falsely judging me. I already told you before that I did not belong to any denomination.
In these arennas it is helpful if people show similarities with different groups and
where they have problems. If you can be open, this can actually be helpful.

I have told you the general area of theology I am aligned to. Does this help?
 

stonesoffire

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Not sure about that not chastening with whips thing you were talking about.
We are told that we get disciplined.
We have to watch our lives and doctrine carefully.
It is good to know that if we sin, we have forgiveness and mercy through Jesus.
The Word, the blood washes me. I think I hear a poem starting. :;)
 

YourTruthGod

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My friend, please do not think I am going against you.
I am trying to understand how you are expressing your ideas.
You are going against me when you insinuate that I lied when I said I did not belong to a denomination.
I follow a position that as unbelievers we are born into sin.
Just not acknowledging God and His position is sinful, and the first things humans do
against strangers. One could express this as a lack of spirituality and a rejection of God,
which we are born into. Within this perspective, no one is righteous, and this lack
of communion and being hurt as we grow leads us to sinful behaviour.
There are many scriptures that speak of righteous men. You don't understand that the scriptures actually are about there is no righteous man who hasn't sinned ever.
You seem to have a mixture of beliefs from Calvin and or Luther?
However one expresses this idea, all falling short is a fundamental Christian belief.
I have no idea what you mean by that.
 

YourTruthGod

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