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stonesoffire

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Just keep your right to sin and still be saved budman, for that is what you are saying.
 

Budman

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Nice try. Continuous can mean uninterrupted, but it is also used as a synonym for Progressive. And I even used the word progressive in conjunction with continuous. Nice try though
It wasn't a "try" it's a fact. You said a true Christian will/must always continue to believe, and then you said they may "lapse" in unbelief.

It's a clear contradiction, but you're simply not honest enough to admit it.

Nice try, though.
 
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Budman, you are all about entrapment.
Budman is guilty here of an EQUIVOCATION FALLACY.

Sin is anything that misses the standard of perfection. When we say we sin everyday, it could mean an impure motive, a careless word, an omission, etc. No one would think that sin in this manner indicates a lack of faith. But Paul does say

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

SO Budman is conflating single occurances of sins of frailty with continual willful sins. That is an equivocation fallacy.

If any one sins willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there remains no sacrifice for sin. The sin willfully is also present, continuous, progressive tense.
 

Budman

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SO Budman is conflating single occurances of sins of frailty with continual willful sins. That is an equivocation fallacy.
No. It's exposing hypocrisy.

And "single occurrences" is a contradiction in terms.

If any one sins willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there remains no sacrifice for sin. The sin willfully is also present, continuous, progressive tense.
How many of your daily sins are willful? Are they all "accidents"?
 
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By that reasoning, since all sin is against God, and you sin every single day, I guess that proves you don't love God.
Equivocation fallacy

You are conflating acts of sin which are based on human frailty and not habitual with willful habitual, progressive, continual sin.

If anyone sins (present, active, progressive tense) willfully, there remains no sacrifice for sins.

Progressive means it continuing step by step, not an isolated occurance of sin, like a thoughtless word or a momentary occurance.
 

Budman

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If anyone sins (present, active, progressive tense) willfully, there remains no sacrifice for sins.

Progressive means it continuing step by step, not an isolated occurance of sin, like a thoughtless word or a momentary occurance.
"Step by step" being the sins you willfully commit daily?
 

stonesoffire

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Ask him what happens if Christian starts sinning and sins like a Hitlar - what happens? LOL!
Chester, I don't believe that a true Spirit filled, born again child of God can be lost either. But with Budman, I most certainly do not agree.
 
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No. It's exposing hypocrisy.

And "single occurrences" is a contradiction in terms.



How many of your daily sins are willful? Are they all "accidents"?
You missed the continual and progressive part. And no one said anything about accidents.

By your argument, I can say "oh, I just got angry at someone and said a thoughtless word" and having a untamed tongue all the time are the same thing. It's an absurd argument when you take it to it's logical conclusion