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Macabeus

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Cry me a river....and do us both a favor....do not address me again.......and read the whole thread......he is another deceiver, been here under different names and was banned once already.......and YES he has accused me numerous times.......after you go thru ALL posts he has made then come address me....
I saw the post that YOU QUOTED which you said was the one where he accused you. And guess what? THERE was no accusation. Only a reference on your stance (position) on the matter.
 

Macabeus

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on and on you go, obsessing over time, checking fruit, you did not judge in this post, but i.m sure you will .that is what you legalists do.
John 15:2- Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

We abide in Jesus. We bear fruit. Father purges us. We bear more fruit. Process continues until we are perfected, (basically when Jesus returns is when we are perfected)
 

Macabeus

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So what....love is a process of growth and maturity.....regardless of your inability to grasp that truth.........
LET the LOVE of GOD be PERFECTED IN YOU <-----MATURED PAL
You don't have to be mature to bear fruit. You don't have to have perfected fruit to bear fruit.

John 15:2- Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

Obviously, the believer is bearing fruit and then the Father purges him or her to bear more fruit, and the process is continued all the days of their lives (or should be)

Andrew began to bear fruit the day he met Jesus

Philip began to bear fruit the day he met Jesus

The Samaritan began to bear fruit the day she met Jesus
 

Macabeus

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Look.....do not address me with your drivel.....I was not addressing you and what I said is biblical....the word perfected = MATURED and GROWN.....I am sick of your incessant, ridiculous ignorance......do not address me every again unless you can start being HONEST.....

LET the LOVE of GOD be perfected IN YOU.....

But if anyone keeps His word, the love of God has been truly perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him:

The ROOT
teleioó: to bring to an end, to complete, perfect
Original Word: τελειόω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: teleioó
Phonetic Spelling: (tel-i-o'-o)
Definition: to bring to an end, to complete, perfect
Usage: (a) as a course, a race, or the like: I complete, finish (b) as of time or prediction: I accomplish, (c) I make perfect; pass: I am perfected.

THE WORD

τετελείωται --->has been perfected VERB
John 15:2- Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
 

gb9

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no one here saying that a believer is not supposed to bear fruit.

judgemental fruit checkers like you want to time how long with a stop watch.
 

Macabeus

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Look.....do not address me with your drivel.....I was not addressing you and what I said is biblical....the word perfected = MATURED and GROWN.....I am sick of your incessant, ridiculous ignorance......do not address me every again unless you can start being HONEST.....

LET the LOVE of GOD be perfected IN YOU.....

But if anyone keeps His word, the love of God has been truly perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him:

The ROOT
teleioó: to bring to an end, to complete, perfect
Original Word: τελειόω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: teleioó
Phonetic Spelling: (tel-i-o'-o)
Definition: to bring to an end, to complete, perfect
Usage: (a) as a course, a race, or the like: I complete, finish (b) as of time or prediction: I accomplish, (c) I make perfect; pass: I am perfected.

THE WORD

τετελείωται --->has been perfected VERB
I don't know what this has to do with the statement YOU MADE that "it takes a period of growth and maturity to bear fruit"

Now you shift the goalposts to being perfected. Yet a person can bear fruit without being perfected.

John 15:2- Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he
purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

So we bear fruit as we are being perfected.
 

Macabeus

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no one here saying that a believer is not supposed to bear fruit.

judgemental fruit checkers like you want to time how long with a stop watch.
A common and repeated false accusation and lie by you, but never substantiated with a post number, though I've asked you to provide post number several times.
 

Macabeus

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Let's put a stop watch on how long it takes GB9 to give post number documenting his accusation that I want to know how long it takes to bear fruit.
 

gb9

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A common and repeated false accusation and lie by you, but never substantiated with a post number, though I've asked you to provide post number several times.
you prove it with most of your posts. it's pretty much all you talk about.
 

Macabeus

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you prove it with most of your posts. it's pretty much all you talk about.
OKAY, it shouldn't be hard to pick ONE. One post where I wanted to know how long it takes to bear fruit.

14 minutes and counting.
 

Macabeus

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OKAY, it shouldn't be hard to pick ONE. One post where I wanted to know how long it takes to bear fruit.

14 minutes and counting.
Come on GB, I post a lot, and if most of my posts prove it you should be able to find one example in a couple minutes. sorry I had the wrong time on before. it stands at 4 minutes and coundting.
 

Macabeus

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here you go. unprompted, you just throw this out there.
UNPROMPTED? LOL, more evidence that you don't read the posts. Look at the post I was replying to and the post that the person I was replying to was replying to. :LOL:. No wonder you're so confused. You read posts out of context, ignoring what came immedietely before to prompt them. Do you read the Bible in this manner?
 

gb9

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Come on GB, I post a lot, and if most of my posts prove it you should be able to find one example in a couple minutes. sorry I had the wrong time on before. it stands at 4 minutes and coundting.
I already did. and, as far as that goes, it is the general tone and theme of what you say ( obsess over) that I refer to, not just specific posts.
 

gb9

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UNPROMPTED? LOL, more evidence that you don't read the posts. Look at the post I was replying to and the post that the person I was replying to was replying to. :LOL:. No wonder you're so confused. You read posts out of context, ignoring what came immedietely before to prompt them. Do you read the Bible in this manner?
all right, just keep pretending that you are not a judgemental fruit checker, but do not falsely accuse me of providing no evidence of your own words.
 

Macabeus

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Oh, you mean that was your evidence? That is LAUGHABLE. Look at the quote.

I think whether or not a new Christian is able to bear fruit is a very important issue.

Is able is not the same as does. So how is that trying to assert how long it takes to bear fruit? Ability does not necessarily mean that what one is able to do will be performed. This is the same error you have been making from the beginning. Confusing necessity with contingency.
 

Macabeus

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all right, just keep pretending that you are not a judgemental fruit checker, but do not falsely accuse me of providing no evidence of your own words.
Jimmy needed a fruit inspector to inspect his apples. So he called Budman

Jimmy- I need someone to inspect my apples.

Budman- Ok, I charge 10 dollars a bushel. How many bushels do you have?

Jimmy- That sounds fair. I have ten bushels

Budman- OK. Every apple that has maggots on it is bad. That will be 100 dollars. Do you want to pay over the phone?
 

PennEd

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But OK, I'm sorry if I said anything hurtful and I will move on. But I have not lied ONCE in these threads. Not once.

As long as no one here ever mentions me again, I will move on.

I will be watching for a while, and if my name comes up again, I will be back. If it doesnt come up again, I will not come back.
Curious if your name came up in the past week, or if you decided it was time again to dredge up this issue you like to bash DC with.

I honestly don't know which.
 

Macabeus

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here you go. unprompted, you just throw this out there.
That is all you have. That is a LAUGHABLE example of evidence for your claim. Look at the quote.

I think whether or not a new Christian is able to bear fruit is a very important issue.

Is able is not the same as does. So how is that trying to assert how long it takes to bear fruit? Ability does not necessarily mean that what one is able to do will be performed. This is the same error you have been making from the beginning. Confusing necessity with contingency.