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amen i believe in easy believism. and once saved always saved. i quote what i said in other topic:

its easy to be saved

its as easy as:

drinking a glass of water:
John 4:14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

eating:
John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

entering through a door:
John 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

looking:
John 3:14-15 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Yes, but all the works of salvation are done by God, and you are emphasizing what YOU DO.

Regeneration is a work of God. Therefore it is not easy, it is IMPOSSIBLE (for us), but with God all things are possible

Easy believism is justification without true regeneration. Scripture says you must be born again, hereby we know that we know Him...and then lists several effects of regeneration, which people say have nothing to do with salvation. But they are conflating salvation and justification. Regeneration is also an aspect of salvation, and if you are not regenerate, you are not justified. Now go study what the Bible gives as characteristics of those who are regenerate.

They keep His commands. 1 John 2:4

They love brother. 1 John 2:10

Love is not in mere words, but in action. 1 John 3:18

They persevere. Hebrews 3:6

These are effects of regeneration, and there are many more. The scripture says if we do not have these, we are not regenerate. And if we are not regenerate, we are not justified. They go together infallibly

These effects do not save, they are not the cause, but scripture is clear that they always accompany regeneration. You need to deeply study the epistles of John, James, Peter, and Paul who go into this inndepth

Not fruit inspecting. Just stating clear teaching of scripture
 

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Fyi Melach ......."Easy believism" is another slur by lordship salvationists
im getting tired of christianity

so many terms and words. "lordship salvationist", dispensationalist, annihilationist, conditionalist, replacement theology, calvinism, arminianism, cessationist, continuationist.
 

Melach

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Yes, but all the works of salvation are done by God, and you are emphasizing what YOU DO.

Regeneration is a work of God. Therefore it is not easy, it is IMPOSSIBLE (for us), but with God all things are possible

Easy believism is justification without true regeneration. Scripture says you must be born again, hereby we know that we know Him...and then lists several effects of regeneration, which people say have nothing to do with salvation. But they are conflating salvation and justification. Regeneration is also an aspect of salvation, and if you are not regenerate, you are not justified. Now go study what the Bible gives as characteristics of those who are regenerate.

They keep His commands. 1 John 2:4

They love brother. 1 John 2:10

Love is not in mere words, but in action. 1 John 3:18

They persevere. Hebrews 3:6

These are effects of regeneration, and there are many more. The scripture says if we do not have these, we are not regenerate. And if we are not regenerate, we are not justified. They go together infallibly

Not fruit inspecting. Just stating clear teaching of scripture
i went to the shed and got my calvinist-catcher(deluxe edition) and i showed your post to it. and it went red, meaning this is calvinism. nobody is regenerated before they believe the gospel. only calvinists believe you are first regenerated then believe.
 
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im getting tired of christianity

so many terms and words. "lordship salvationist", dispensationalist, annihilationist, conditionalist, replacement theology, calvinism, arminianism, cessationist, continuationist.
I never used any of these. I am using scriptural terms. Regeneration is a forgotten (by some) doctrine in the Bible.

Don’t worry about the teachings of men who ignore large portions of scripture. Concern yourself with what the Bible says. The Bible is all you need.

Solo scriptural. Scripture only

Toto scriptural. All of scripture
 
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i went to the shed and got my calvinist-catcher(deluxe edition) and i showed your post to it. and it went red, meaning this is calvinism. nobody is regenerated before they believe the gospel. only calvinists believe you are first regenerated then believe.
Sorry, I am non Calvinist, and I do not believe in regeneration before faithI am just not a Semi pelagian, ie I do not think we initiate salvation, and meet God halfway. Regeneration is a work of God. He draws, we believe, He regenerates. He begins and finishes the work, not us.

Who began a good work in you? Who is the author of your salvation. Easy believism makes it us instead of God
 
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Sorry, I am non Calvinist, and I do not believe in regeneration before faithI am just not a Semi pelagian, ie I do not think we initiate salvation, and meet God halfway. Regeneration is a work of God. He draws, we believe, He regenerates. He begins and finishes the work, not us.

Who began a good work in you? Who is the author of your salvation. Easy believism makes it us instead of God
Your Calvinist catcher is wrong. What I said is the view of all orthodox Christians. The view that we initiate regeneration is semi-pelagianism. Plus many “believe” and are not saved, because repentance and faith are not wrought in them. Not all belief is faith, and not all faith is living faith

Living faith is faith that regenerates and it is a gift of God. Ephesians 2:9
 
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im getting tired of christianity

so many terms and words. "lordship salvationist", dispensationalist, annihilationist, conditionalist, replacement theology, calvinism, arminianism, cessationist, continuationist.
I hear ya.... sad eh?
 
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Your Calvinist catcher is wrong. What I said is the view of all orthodox Christians. The view that we initiate regeneration is semi-pelagianism. Plus many “believe” and are not saved, because repentance and faith are not wrought in them. Not all belief is faith, and not all faith is living faith

Living faith is faith that regenerates and it is a gift of God. Ephesians 2:9
Salvation is the gift from God... we are called to believe in Christ Jesus

There is only only one belief that saves.

The people who are not saved have not believed.... end of story!!!
 

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Your Calvinist catcher is wrong. What I said is the view of all orthodox Christians. The view that we initiate regeneration is semi-pelagianism. Plus many “believe” and are not saved, because repentance and faith are not wrought in them. Not all belief is faith, and not all faith is living faith

Living faith is faith that regenerates and it is a gift of God. Ephesians 2:9
here is the difference in what you say vs. what you have e.g. quoted as saying-

what he said was true, but notice he just made a statement and left it. he did not embellish details about how that would look , because there is no time frame or some type of formula as to how that looks.

what your false lordship theology lies and says is one MUST manifest this or that in a certain ( short) time frame.

so, you start out as telling the truth , but you keep talking and talk yourself into a lie.
 
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i went to the shed and got my calvinist-catcher(deluxe edition) and i showed your post to it. and it went red, meaning this is calvinism. nobody is regenerated before they believe the gospel. only calvinists believe you are first regenerated then believe.
Every orthodox Christian will tell you that if you came to Jesus in faith, you were regenerated. And on the flip side, if you came to Jesus, it is because you were drawn by the Father

So give thanks to God that when you were spiritually dead, He drew you, and you came in faith and were regenerated by the same power that raised Christ from the dead, and you are raised with Him to sit in heavenly places.
 
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here is the difference in what you say vs. what you have e.g. quoted as saying-

what he said was true, but notice he just made a statement and left it. he did not embellish details about how that would look , because there is no time frame or some type of formula as to how that looks.

what your false lordship theology lies and says is one MUST manifest this or that in a certain ( short) time frame.

so, you start out as telling the truth , but you keep talking and talk yourself into a lie.

Mr. gb9 ....................I am soooo happy you are not a LORDSHIP SALVATIONIST!!
 
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God draws all men ... the word of God draws... the Holy Spirit draws...

The gospel is the POWER of God unto salvation for EVERYONE who believes (Rom 1:16) The righteousness of God is revealed in the preaching of the gospel (Rom 1:17).

The Holy Spirit convicts the unbeliever (the world) of the sin of unbelief, and of righteousness, and of judgment. (Jn 16:7-11)
 

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Fyi Melach ......."Easy believism" is another slur by lordship salvationists
If God's unmerited grace was so easy to believe in, there wouldn't be so many who argue against what Jesus did for us.....

It was easier for me to believe that I needed to do x y and z to enter into heaven since that is the way of this world....

Praise God for opening my eyes not only to His righteousness but also His mercy....

I will place my faith (belief, trust, confidence) in Jesus till the day I die.
 

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Every orthodox Christian will tell you that if you came to Jesus in faith, you were regenerated. And on the flip side, if you came to Jesus, it is because you were drawn by the Father

So give thanks to God that when you were spiritually dead, He drew you, and you came in faith and were regenerated by the same power that raised Christ from the dead, and you are raised with Him to sit in heavenly places.
thanks but i believe the orthodox christians are heretics

they pray to mary and kiss icons and images. its idolatry. i dont care about them. they also preach works salvation.
 
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If God's unmerited grace was so easy to believe in, there wouldn't be so many who argue against what Jesus did for us.....

It was easier for me to believe that I needed to do x y and z to enter into heaven since that is the way of this world....

Praise God for opening my eyes not only to His righteousness but also His mercy....

I will place my faith (belief, trust, confidence) in Jesus till the day I die.
I believed when I first heard the Gospel and was relieved because I was trying to doing x, y z

Who preaches saved by grace through faith anymore... they are few and far between..... the predominant Gospel in the churches is turn from sin.

Easy believism is used to state someone was never really saved, is not really a statement about the "rightness" of the belief
 
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If God's unmerited grace was so easy to believe in, there wouldn't be so many who argue against what Jesus did for us.....

It was easier for me to believe that I needed to do x y and z to enter into heaven since that is the way of this world....

Praise God for opening my eyes not only to His righteousness but also His mercy....

I will place my faith (belief, trust, confidence) in Jesus till the day I die.
Well some have let their faith be shipwrecked because of the trials of life but it does not mean they were not saved.

Sapphira and Ananias were saved and look what happened to them.
 

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im getting tired of christianity

so many terms and words. "lordship salvationist", dispensationalist, annihilationist, conditionalist, replacement theology, calvinism, arminianism, cessationist, continuationist.
Embrace the simplicity of Jesus Christ. It makes for joy and inner peace.
 
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thanks but i believe the orthodox christians are heretics

they pray to mary and kiss icons and images. its idolatry. i dont care about them. they also preach works salvation.
I wasn’t using orthodox in that sense. The word orthodox refers to Christians who cut straight, ie rightly divide the Word. It’s use in this way predates orthodox churches, which applied it to themselves.