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UnderGrace

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go to : https://christianchat.com/account/preferences

and untick "Show people's signatures with their messages "
Wow everything is sure less cluttered, there was one person who no longer is around I think, but their signature line took the whole screen it seemed and it was nothing that I cared to read.

Very helpful...:cool:

But I like my signature line...:(
 

Macabeus

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i cant see any signatures
Some People don’t like my sig because it shows that one person who anathemizes me says the same thing I do, and six others liked it, a couple of whom argue with me tooth and nail for saying the same thing the quote in my sig says. 🤗

Good thing I can look up things said in the past. I can show inconsistencies in argument for a lot of people who like to flip flop. All ad hominem people
 

Macabeus

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Interesting exercise. If you dare, read post 88,712 and 91,547 and observe who “liked” those posts, then compare that with how they respond WHEN I SAY THE SAME thing Dan said. It is an epiphany into some people’s character, when they flip flop based on convenience.
 

VCO

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Fyi Melach ......."Easy believism" is another slur by lordship salvationists

THAT is Not really a Slur. It is a false Gospel that got started by TV evangelists. They say, if you just accept Jesus as Savior, you are SAVED; and the TV evangelist's gets to put another Feather in his Bonnet; EVEN THO you still do not need to accept HIM as Lord.

That is a totally False Gospel, and let me prove it to you.

John 1:12-13 (HCSB)
12 But to all who did receive Him, He gave them the right to be children of God,
to those who believe in His name, [.That NAME, is ALL THAT HE IS, which includes LORD.]
13 who were born, not of blood, or of the will of the flesh, or of the will of man, but of God.
[.The is a Synonym for Born Again.]

So is Receiving HIM as SAVIOR enough, or is it less than enough, because you have to receive HIM as LORD to be BORN AGAIN.

Colossians 2:6 (NIV)
6 So then, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to live in him,


Paul certainly considered receiving HIM as Lord, is part of every Born Again Christian. Lord Means MASTER.

(quote) LORD means =
Greek kurios, a supreme master, etc. In the LXX. this is invariably used for "Jehovah" and "'Adonai."
Illustrated Bible Dictionary: And Treasury of Biblical History, Biography, Geography, Doctrine, and Literature. (end quote)


Romans 10:8-10 (NASB)
8 But what does it say? "THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART [.Human Spirit.]"—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,
9 that if you confess [.Almost every single Version says you have to CONFESS, not Just Profess; it has to be true about you in your Heart (Human Spirit) or it is only a profession.] with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 2222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222🖣
10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, 🖝 resulting in salvation.🖜
[.HE does not become your SAVIOR until after you have received HIM in your Heart
as LORD, meaning Supreme Master.] 🖢



Those TV Preachers are teaching a FALSE GOSPEL, when they say "Just receive HIM as Savior and you are SAVED." A Lie that puts you on the Broad Road to Destruction.
 

Macabeus

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THAT is Not really a Slur. It is a false Gospel that got started by TV evangelists. They say, if you just accept Jesus as Savior, you are SAVED; and the TV evangelist's gets to put another Feather in his Bonnet; EVEN THO you still do not need to accept HIM as Lord.

That is a totally False Gospel, and let me prove it to you.

John 1:12-13 (HCSB)
12 But to all who did receive Him, He gave them the right to be children of God,
to those who believe in His name, [.That NAME, is ALL THAT HE IS, which includes LORD.]
13 who were born, not of blood, or of the will of the flesh, or of the will of man, but of God.
[.The is a Synonym for Born Again.]

So is Receiving HIM as SAVIOR enough, or is it less than enough, because you have to receive HIM as LORD to be BORN AGAIN.

Colossians 2:6 (NIV)
6 So then, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to live in him,


Paul certainly considered receiving HIM as Lord, is part of every Born Again Christian. Lord Means MASTER.

(quote) LORD means =
Greek kurios, a supreme master, etc. In the LXX. this is invariably used for "Jehovah" and "'Adonai."
Illustrated Bible Dictionary: And Treasury of Biblical History, Biography, Geography, Doctrine, and Literature. (end quote)


Romans 10:8-10 (NASB)
8 But what does it say? "THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART [.Human Spirit.]"—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,
9 that if you confess [.Almost every single Version says you have to CONFESS, not Just Profess; it has to be true about you in your Heart (Human Spirit) or it is only a profession.] with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 2222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222🖣
10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, 🖝 resulting in salvation.🖜
[.HE does not become your SAVIOR until after you have received HIM in your Heart
as LORD, meaning Supreme Master.] 🖢



Those TV Preachers are teaching a FALSE GOSPEL, when they say "Just receive HIM as Savior and you are SAVED." A Lie that puts you on the Broad Road to Destruction.
Amen. No such thing as Saviour and not Lord. Knowing the meaning of KURIOS makes this clear. We are bought with a price, and our body and Spirit belong to Him, making Him our kurios/Lord. This is about as elementary as you can get
 

Macabeus

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THAT is Not really a Slur. It is a false Gospel that got started by TV evangelists. They say, if you just accept Jesus as Savior, you are SAVED; and the TV evangelist's gets to put another Feather in his Bonnet; EVEN THO you still do not need to accept HIM as Lord.

That is a totally False Gospel, and let me prove it to you.

John 1:12-13 (HCSB)
12 But to all who did receive Him, He gave them the right to be children of God,
to those who believe in His name, [.That NAME, is ALL THAT HE IS, which includes LORD.]
13 who were born, not of blood, or of the will of the flesh, or of the will of man, but of God.
[.The is a Synonym for Born Again.]

So is Receiving HIM as SAVIOR enough, or is it less than enough, because you have to receive HIM as LORD to be BORN AGAIN.

Colossians 2:6 (NIV)
6 So then, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to live in him,


Paul certainly considered receiving HIM as Lord, is part of every Born Again Christian. Lord Means MASTER.

(quote) LORD means =
Greek kurios, a supreme master, etc. In the LXX. this is invariably used for "Jehovah" and "'Adonai."
Illustrated Bible Dictionary: And Treasury of Biblical History, Biography, Geography, Doctrine, and Literature. (end quote)


Romans 10:8-10 (NASB)
8 But what does it say? "THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART [.Human Spirit.]"—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,
9 that if you confess [.Almost every single Version says you have to CONFESS, not Just Profess; it has to be true about you in your Heart (Human Spirit) or it is only a profession.] with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 2222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222🖣
10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, 🖝 resulting in salvation.🖜
[.HE does not become your SAVIOR until after you have received HIM in your Heart
as LORD, meaning Supreme Master.] 🖢



Those TV Preachers are teaching a FALSE GOSPEL, when they say "Just receive HIM as Savior and you are SAVED." A Lie that puts you on the Broad Road to Destruction.
Amen again and addendum... seeing that we are bought with a price, and our spirit and body are NOT our own, but are His ,(making Him KURIOS of us), we should not withhold from God what is rightfully His (our lives, body, and soul). That would be robbing God.. 😯

Americanized Christianity, 😭
 

VCO

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Amen again and addendum... seeing that we are bought with a price, and our spirit and body are NOT our own, but are His ,(making Him KURIOS of us), we should not withhold from God what is rightfully His (our lives, body, and soul). That would be robbing God.. 😯

Americanized Christianity, 😭

Now that is what I meant when I said, "A Born Again Chistian, will want to serve and please GOD." Obedience is the Product of LOVING HIM.
 

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Nowhere did I say in my last post that I "do not work" for the Lord. What I said was that I received a blessing when I needed it most without having to "work." Point being, blessings are freely given by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ as we need them and sometimes when we do not deserve them. Working for Him is a privilege and a byproduct of obedience. I treasure the "quiet and anonymous" work done for the Lord without fanfare and advertisement.
 

UnderGrace

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THAT is Not really a Slur. It is a false Gospel that got started by TV evangelists. They say, if you just accept Jesus as Savior, you are SAVED; and the TV evangelist's gets to put another Feather in his Bonnet; EVEN THO you still do not need to accept HIM as Lord.

That is a totally False Gospel, and let me prove it to you.

John 1:12-13 (HCSB)
12 But to all who did receive Him, He gave them the right to be children of God,
to those who believe in His name, [.That NAME, is ALL THAT HE IS, which includes LORD.]
13 who were born, not of blood, or of the will of the flesh, or of the will of man, but of God.
[.The is a Synonym for Born Again.]

So is Receiving HIM as SAVIOR enough, or is it less than enough, because you have to receive HIM as LORD to be BORN AGAIN.

Colossians 2:6 (NIV)
6 So then, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to live in him,


Paul certainly considered receiving HIM as Lord, is part of every Born Again Christian. Lord Means MASTER.

(quote) LORD means =
Greek kurios, a supreme master, etc. In the LXX. this is invariably used for "Jehovah" and "'Adonai."
Illustrated Bible Dictionary: And Treasury of Biblical History, Biography, Geography, Doctrine, and Literature. (end quote)


Romans 10:8-10 (NASB)
8 But what does it say? "THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART [.Human Spirit.]"—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,
9 that if you confess [.Almost every single Version says you have to CONFESS, not Just Profess; it has to be true about you in your Heart (Human Spirit) or it is only a profession.] with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 2222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222🖣
10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, 🖝 resulting in salvation.🖜
[.HE does not become your SAVIOR until after you have received HIM in your Heart
as LORD, meaning Supreme Master.] 🖢



Those TV Preachers are teaching a FALSE GOSPEL, when they say "Just receive HIM as Savior and you are SAVED." A Lie that puts you on the Broad Road to Destruction.

Right in your Gospel you promise to receive Jesus as Lord, what ever that means considering Jesus is Lord, in return for salvation

Quid Pro Quo.... i.e. not a gift
 

Macabeus

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Nowhere did I say in my last post that I "do not work" for the Lord. What I said was that I received a blessing when I needed it most without having to "work." Point being, blessings are freely given by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ as we need them and sometimes when we do not deserve them. Working for Him is a privilege and a byproduct of obedience. I treasure the "quiet and anonymous" work done for the Lord without fanfare and advertisement.
Who said you did? ...I indicated that you do and will. this is a good post
 

VCO

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Right in your Gospel you promise to receive Jesus as Lord, what ever that means considering Jesus is Lord, in return for salvation

Quid Pro Quo.... i.e. not a gift

IT IS A GIFT FROM GOD, YOU DO NOT DO IT, IT IS THE HOLY SPIRIT THAT DOES IT, putting that TOTAL TRUST IN YOUR HEART (human spirit). THEN YOU CAN REPEAT what HE has done in your heart as a CONFESSION.

You must tune me out, because I have repeated this NUMEROUS TIMES.

1 Corinthians 12:3 (ESV)
3 Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says “Jesus is accursed!”
and no one can say (as a Confession) Jesus is Lord” except in the Holy Spirit.

Romans 10:8-10 (ESV)
8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim);
9 because, if you confess [.Not just PROFESS, it MUST be true IN YOUR HEART before you can say it as a CONFESSION.] with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.


I HAVE TOLD YOU THE TRUTH, WHY ARE YOU REJECTING IT ? ? ?
 

Macabeus

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It IS A GIFT, YOU DO NOT DO IT, IT IS THE HOLY SPIRIT THAT DOES IT, putting that TOTAL TRUST IN YOUR HEART (human spirit). THEN YOU CAN REPEAT what HE has done in your heart as a CONFESSION.

You must tune me out, because I have repeated this NUMEROUS TIMES.

1 Corinthians 12:3 (ESV)
3 Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says “Jesus is accursed!”
and no one can say (as a Confession) Jesus is Lord” except in the Holy Spirit.

Romans 10:8-10 (ESV)
8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim);
9 because, if you confess [.Not just PROFESS, it MUST be true IN YOUR HEART before you can say it as a CONFESSION.] with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.


I HAVE TOLD YOU THE TRUTH, WHY ARE YOU REJECTING IT ? ? ?
Who is this directed to?
 

UnderGrace

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IT IS A GIFT FROM GOD, YOU DO NOT DO IT, IT IS THE HOLY SPIRIT THAT DOES IT, putting that TOTAL TRUST IN YOUR HEART (human spirit). THEN YOU CAN REPEAT what HE has done in your heart as a CONFESSION.

You must tune me out, because I have repeated this NUMEROUS TIMES.

1 Corinthians 12:3 (ESV)
3 Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says “Jesus is accursed!”
and no one can say (as a Confession) Jesus is Lord” except in the Holy Spirit.

Romans 10:8-10 (ESV)
8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim);
9 because, if you confess [.Not just PROFESS, it MUST be true IN YOUR HEART before you can say it as a CONFESSION.] with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.


I HAVE TOLD YOU THE TRUTH, WHY ARE YOU REJECTING IT ? ? ?

This is kinda funny VCO :D:D I am actually laughing as I sit here an type... do you think I am not saved LOL?

I wonder what people did before "Lordship salvation" was invented?

To be saved one needs a Saviour.

And the only way He can be our Saviour is because He is Lord!

You never want to with the "quid pro quo" part of your salvation plan I notice.
 

Macabeus

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IT IS A GIFT FROM GOD, YOU DO NOT DO IT, IT IS THE HOLY SPIRIT THAT DOES IT, putting that TOTAL TRUST IN YOUR HEART (human spirit). THEN YOU CAN REPEAT what HE has done in your heart as a CONFESSION.

You must tune me out, because I have repeated this NUMEROUS TIMES.

1 Corinthians 12:3 (ESV)
3 Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says “Jesus is accursed!”
and no one can say (as a Confession) Jesus is Lord” except in the Holy Spirit.

Romans 10:8-10 (ESV)
8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim);
9 because, if you confess [.Not just PROFESS, it MUST be true IN YOUR HEART before you can say it as a CONFESSION.] with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.


I HAVE TOLD YOU THE TRUTH, WHY ARE YOU REJECTING IT ? ? ?[/
Who is this directed to?
Oh I see now. I guess anti Lordship people don’t know that they are bought with a price, what kurios means, and they disagree with Paul about confessing Jesus as Lord
 

Macabeus

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Oh I see now. I guess anti Lordship people don’t know that they are bought with a price, what kurios means, and they disagree with Paul about confessing Jesus as Lord
VCO, you and I know that confessing Jesus as Lord is merely acknowledging the truth, and anyone who does not submit to the Lordship of Christ is denying the Lord who bought them,Jude 4. Like the anti lordship people HERE that say that adulterers and fornicators go to heaven, they just don’t inherit the kingdom. Someone literally said that to me.