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VCO

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IT IS A GIFT FROM GOD, YOU DO NOT DO IT, IT IS THE HOLY SPIRIT THAT DOES IT, putting that TOTAL TRUST IN YOUR HEART (human spirit). THEN YOU CAN REPEAT what HE has done in your heart as a CONFESSION.

You must tune me out, because I have repeated this NUMEROUS TIMES.

1 Corinthians 12:3 (ESV)
3 Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says “Jesus is accursed!”
and no one can say (as a Confession) Jesus is Lord” except in the Holy Spirit.

Romans 10:8-10 (ESV)
8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim);
9 because, if you confess [.Not just PROFESS, it MUST be true IN YOUR HEART before you can say it as a CONFESSION.] with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.


I HAVE TOLD YOU THE TRUTH, WHY ARE YOU REJECTING IT ? ? ?

REMEMBER, You Laughed at the Truth. So Be It.

Matthew 7:13-24 (ESV)
13 “Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many.
14 For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.
15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
16 You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
17 So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit.
18 A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit.
19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
20 Thus you will recognize them by their fruits.
21
Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’
23 And then will I declare to them,
I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
24 “Everyone then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock.
 
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Appearently, you are right. How sad.
I laughed at your assumptions about me

And you have made wrong assumptions about me and what I know to be biblical.
Thankfully more and more people are seeing through the false gospel of lordship teachers.
 
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I used to almost not like James and I used to see Mosaic Law as obsolete as well. But after many years of study I came to see that Paul teaches the same thing about works that James does albeit James is more aggressive. I also came to realize that Law of Moses deserves the same respect any other schoolmaster would recieve. It has much to teach about living for Christ.

I always find the Christian hostility towards the Law shocking given the reverence for it demonstrated throughout the New Testament. Pretty much always accompanied with a critical view of good works.
Not hardly.....
 
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here is the difference in what you say vs. what you have e.g. quoted as saying-

what he said was true, but notice he just made a statement and left it. he did not embellish details about how that would look , because there is no time frame or some type of formula as to how that looks.

what your false lordship theology lies and says is one MUST manifest this or that in a certain ( short) time frame.

so, you start out as telling the truth , but you keep talking and talk yourself into a lie.
Amen, and lip flapping and lying about me almost two days straight now........

What he cannot grasp is that ALL believers have worked the works of the Heavenly Father in belief and then.....to the ones that WORK NOT, but believeth in him that justifies the ungodly his FAITH is credited as righteousness......

I believe both and have CONSISTENTLY stated both, but he has been lying about me all day calling me inconsistent......exactly why I do not respond to his DRIVEL......
 
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Amen, and lip flapping and lying about me almost two days straight now........

What he cannot grasp is that ALL believers have worked the works of the Heavenly Father in belief and then.....to the ones that WORK NOT, but believeth in him that justifies the ungodly his FAITH is credited as righteousness......

I believe both and have CONSISTENTLY stated both, but he has been lying about me all day calling me inconsistent......exactly why I do not respond to his DRIVEL......
What he cannot grasp is that ALL believers have worked the works of the Heavenly Father in belief and then.....to the ones that WORK NOT, but believeth in him that justifies the ungodly his FAITH is credited as righteousness......
Thank you!!
This puts to rest all the nonsense I have been reading on here today... I like it when I read something and I am filled with joy!!
 

VCO

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I laughed at your assumptions about me

And you have made wrong assumptions about me and what I know to be biblical.
Thankfully more and more people are seeing through the false gospel of lordship teachers.

It is called the Great Falling Away from Truth. I am sorry for you, because it appears you have settled for less than the true gospel.

I believe the BIBLE should be understood the exact way it was written, and not watered down.

You are a typical Liberalist, which I consider to be a very dangerous theology, and I am a very Conservative Evangelical.

Let's Pray you really do KNOW HIM.
 

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It is called the Great Falling Away from Truth. I am sorry for you, because it appears you have settled for less than the true gospel.

I believe the BIBLE should be understood the exact way it was written, and not watered down.

You are a typical Liberalist, which I consider to be a very dangerous theology, and I am a very Conservative Evangelical.

Let's Pray you really do KNOW HIM.
We know that Anti-Lordship was not taught by Jesus or the apostles. It is sub-biblical. In addition, we know that Antinomianism was stongly condemned by Jesus and the apostles. We must continue in the doctrine of Jesus and the apostles.
 
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It is called the Great Falling Away from Truth. I am sorry for you, because it appears you have settled for less than the true gospel.

I believe the BIBLE should be understood the exact way it was written, and not watered down.

You are a typical Liberalist, which I consider to be a very dangerous theology, and I am a very Conservative Evangelical.

Let's Pray you really do KNOW HIM.
Of this I have no doubt, I know him ... and I am far from liberal.

You cannot see it because your mind has been saturated with the writings of those men you like so much, it is okay VCO, I know their teachings, I was once where you are... I would never trade the joy, peace and understanding I have of Grace that I have gained since I abandoned their performance based teachings.

I really do not think there is anything I can state that will have you understand but that is okay too... I do not doubt your salvation like you doubt mine .... you know why...... because I do not ascribe to lordship salvation doctrine.;)
 

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It is called the Great Falling Away from Truth. I am sorry for you, because it appears you have settled for less than the true gospel.

I believe the BIBLE should be understood the exact way it was written, and not watered down.

You are a typical Liberalist, which I consider to be a very dangerous theology, and I am a very Conservative Evangelical.

Let's Pray you really do KNOW HIM.
Yeah, your mind has been saturated by the writings of the men you like so much. Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul, Peter, James, Jude, etc. praise the Lord
 

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It was directed to UnderGrace, who thought that CONFESSING [.Not just Professing.] JESUS AS LORD,
was not the True Gospel, that I have added that interpertation to Romans 10:8-10.

I do not see any other way to interpret those verses.
I know. I figured it out. For a reason I do not see posts by certain people unless I click.
 
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It is called the Great Falling Away from Truth. I am sorry for you, because it appears you have settled for less than the true gospel.

I believe the BIBLE should be understood the exact way it was written, and not watered down.

You are a typical Liberalist, which I consider to be a very dangerous theology, and I am a very Conservative Evangelical.

Let's Pray you really do KNOW HIM.
I feel the need to step in here and make a few comments....

a. @UnderGrace has, in my mind, given ample evidence that she is saved by not only her verbiage, but also by the understanding she has concerning other biblical truths....

b. She has shown no evidence of being a liberal....that is moronic

c. My bible is clear, BOTH views that you and she holds = salvation and the bible speaks to both equating to salvation

d. IF anything YOU are removing yourself from the simplicity found in Christ and embellishing faith a bit IMV after reading your ongoing diatribe against Undergrace........

THE BIBLE states clearly.....

HE that believes on the SON is having everlasting life <---No mention of LORD in that verse

He that believes on the SON is NOT condemned <---NO mention of the LORD in that verse

If you confess with your mouth and believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead thou shalt be saved <---NO mention of the LORD in that VERSE

It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe <---NO mention of the LORD in that verse

ETC..........

NOW, before you get your feathers ruffled....I do know the bible also has verses that speak to acknowledging JESUS as LORD and being saved....IF one has confessed belief in JESUS by default they are acknowledging HIM as LORD.

BOTH are correct......and IMV you have way over stepped in accusing Grace of not being saved and or a liberal

LASTLY.....NO MAN can understand ANYTHING before initial FAITH and SALVATION and even JESUS as LORD of one's life is a process of birth, growth and maturity!
 
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I feel the need to step in here and make a few comments....

a. @UnderGrace has, in my mind, given ample evidence that she is saved by not only her verbiage, but also by the understanding she has concerning other biblical truths....

b. She has shown no evidence of being a liberal....that is moronic

c. My bible is clear, BOTH views that you and she holds = salvation and the bible speaks to both equating to salvation

d. IF anything YOU are removing yourself from the simplicity found in Christ and embellishing faith a bit IMV after reading your ongoing diatribe against Undergrace........

THE BIBLE states clearly.....

HE that believes on the SON is having everlasting life <---No mention of LORD in that verse

He that believes on the SON is NOT condemned <---NO mention of the LORD in that verse

If you confess with your mouth and believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead thou shalt be saved <---NO mention of the LORD in that VERSE

It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe <---NO mention of the LORD in that verse

ETC..........

NOW, before you get your feathers ruffled....I do know the bible also has verses that speak to acknowledging JESUS as LORD and being saved....IF one has confessed belief in JESUS by default they are acknowledging HIM as LORD.

BOTH are correct......and IMV you have way over stepped in accusing Grace of not being saved and or a liberal

LASTLY.....NO MAN can understand ANYTHING before initial FAITH and SALVATION and even JESUS as LORD of one's life is a process of birth, growth and maturity!
Perfect, Brilliant and ... thank you!!... everything I would have like to have written .... but sometimes this simple gal just cannot come up with the words!
 
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Perfect, Brilliant and ... thank you!!... everything I would have like to have written .... but sometimes this simple gal just cannot come up with the words!
The truth is the truth.........and I think it is hilariously sad that he accused you of being lost and a liberal........the word of God is beyond human reasoning and or understanding......the fact that you understand many truths from the bible proves you are saved.
 

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I feel the need to step in here and make a few comments....

a. @UnderGrace has, in my mind, given ample evidence that she is saved by not only her verbiage, but also by the understanding she has concerning other biblical truths....

b. She has shown no evidence of being a liberal....that is moronic

c. My bible is clear, BOTH views that you and she holds = salvation and the bible speaks to both equating to salvation

d. IF anything YOU are removing yourself from the simplicity found in Christ and embellishing faith a bit IMV after reading your ongoing diatribe against Undergrace........

THE BIBLE states clearly.....

HE that believes on the SON is having everlasting life <---No mention of LORD in that verse

He that believes on the SON is NOT condemned <---NO mention of the LORD in that verse

If you confess with your mouth and believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead thou shalt be saved <---NO mention of the LORD in that VERSE

It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe <---NO mention of the LORD in that verse

ETC..........

NOW, before you get your feathers ruffled....I do know the bible also has verses that speak to acknowledging JESUS as LORD and being saved....IF one has confessed belief in JESUS by default they are acknowledging HIM as LORD.

BOTH are correct......and IMV you have way over stepped in accusing Grace of not being saved and or a liberal

LASTLY.....NO MAN can understand ANYTHING before initial FAITH and SALVATION and even JESUS as LORD of one's life is a process of birth, growth and maturity!
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I know of no translation that excludes the word Lord from Romans 10:9. I think you may have misquoted it here. Unless you have a translation that excludes the word Lord from Romans 10:9...
 

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I know of no translation that excludes the word Lord from Romans 10:9. I think you may have misquoted it here. Unless you have a translation that excludes the word Lord from Romans 10:9...
You wrote “ if you confess with your mouth” and excluded Lord. What translation are you using that excludes Lord.

Cue the DC ad hominems...3,2,1
 

VCO

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Of this I have no doubt, I know him ... and I am far from liberal.

You cannot see it because your mind has been saturated with the writings of those men you like so much, it is okay VCO, I know their teachings, I was once where you are... I would never trade the joy, peace and understanding I have of Grace that I have gained since I abandoned their performance based teachings.

I really do not think there is anything I can state that will have you understand but that is okay too... I do not doubt your salvation like you doubt mine .... you know why...... because I do not ascribe to lordship salvation doctrine.;)


I do not know what you call Liberal, but it is NOT what I call Liberal.
What you have been displaying in your Posts is typical Liberal Theology.

No Necessary Acceptance of JESUS as LORD is as Liberal as it gets.
I do not belief that women should be ordained.
I do not believe that the modern day tongues is what the Disciples did the Day of Pentecost, or during their Missionary Journies.
I do not believe in Faith Healers, but the LORD HEALS IN ANSWER TO PRAYERS.
I believe the SERMON should Be the Majority of the Worship Service, NOT THE SONG SERVICE.
I believe in expositing the WORD OF GOD, explaining what it means, and How it applies to our Lives.
I believe every true Believer will been Born Again, and that is the STARTING POINT of the Christian Life.
I believe every Born Again believer has two minds, the mortal Mind between his ears, and the Spiritual Mind in his or her heart/human spirit.
I believe that many, many Verses in the BIBLE should be interpreted Literally, especially Salvation Verses like Rom. 10:8-10.

You say you do not like to be called Liberal, WELL YOU CERTAINLY ARE NOT CONSERVATIVE.