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If this was the meaning then why is there so much dispute?
I would say this is a fundamental divide between Paul and the early church fathers.

Paul opens his letters Gods Holy people, but I have not read this language with the
later believers.

I myself would not say I am Holy, because it is not language I am used to or
can picture. But Paul is saying that is what we are.

Something strange happens in our spirits when we accept who we are in Christ.
G7 keeps on saying we are born into the Kingdom at new birth, Holy, perfect,
righteous, complete. He talks that we should recognise our position in Christ
and walk in it.

So let me embrace this spiritual reality. Oh but I am not to embrace it, because
I am not the one who is really born again. But then they also are not embracing
it because they are failed sinners who cannot realise the words.

So someone is lying about what they believe, faking a position with words and
then decrying its reality when someone realises what Christ is saying to us.

Who is the father of lies? The one who creates images and illusions, but when
you walk in them denies the very same thing they claimed was true.

It is the nature of mirages, the goal is out of reach, never to be obtained but always
hoped for. But the enemy will and is defeated, and Gods people will overcome and
walk in Christs ways. This was foreseen from eternity to eternity.
Who cares...Paul's words are inspired as are the others who penned the bible....what the early church "fathers" taught or believed...who cares......the bible is the rule of faith and practice.......!
 
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:rolleyes: will you answer the question notice im looking up to you lol
 
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who can know it to me sounds like a question not a statement of how it is,, may i remind you of the scripture that says blessed are the pure of heart for they shall inherit the kingdom, just sayin.
Excellent verse, but the heart does not teach...it is the Spirit of God that goes before us and leads us into all truth.....
 
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Originally Posted by Grace777x70


Jesus referred to the Holy Spirit as "He" and a "Him". In the below scripture the references to are done in the Greek as masculine but whether that is meaning He is male is a different story.

What it boils down to is that the Holy Spirit is a Being that feels, teaches, grieves, loves, fellowships..etc. and He lives in us now.

John 14:16-17 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;

[SUP]17 [/SUP] that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.





Are you sure? Maybe it's talking about the Lord's mother?..just kidding....:) ( we can thank God it's not a mother-in-law...lol....just kidding again as there are many good ones. )

John 14:16-17 sure sounds like a different Being than the Lord. I suppose this comes down to what does one believes about the Trinity. There are lot's of threads on that subject.

At Jesus' water baptism we see the Holy Spirit descending down on Jesus and the Father says "This is my beloved Son". Looks like a few Being's showing Themselves at the same time.
Anyway that topic is for another thread. Lot's of "works" still being done in this one.
Well maybe it for another thread but for me works must be tested to see if they are from the lord or not now shush you spoil my master plan
 
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Well maybe it for another thread but for me works must be tested to see if they are from the lord or not now shush you spoil my master plan
Gotcha!.....( going into Secret Squirrel mode)

I'll be here to back ya up...if needed...*wink*



 

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Jesus referred to the Holy Spirit as "He" and a "Him". In the below scripture the references to are done in the Greek as masculine but whether that is meaning He is male is a different story.

What it boils down to is that the Holy Spirit is a Being that feels, teaches, grieves, loves, fellowships..etc. and He lives in us now.

John 14:16-17 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;

[SUP]17 [/SUP] that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.


A door (la porte), in French is feminine. That mean all doors are females? Or is that a peculiarty of the language?

The Holy Spirit is not a Him, it is a power.
 
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A door (la porte), in French is feminine. That mean all doors are females? Or is that a peculiarty of the language?

The Holy Spirit is not a Him, it is a power.


Marie is a female French name. Does that mean that all Maries's are humans and females? Or is Marie a peculiarty of language?


And so this supposed "power" only thing grieves like God does? Loves like a Being does?..etc...etc
 
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A door (la porte), in French is feminine. That mean all doors are females? Or is that a peculiarty of the language?

The Holy Spirit is not a Him, it is a power.
The Holy Spirit is an "it"?
 
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Gotcha!.....( going into Secret Squirrel mode)

I'll be here to back ya up...if needed...*wink*



haha call me danger mouse



But seariously did ya just see our queen of the christians speech :) Awsome if not youtube terisa may in philedelphia
 
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Please like my post to salute our united kingdom christian Queen

[video=youtube;ZkdyuOTf5Sk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkdyuOTf5Sk[/video]
 
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Please like my post to salute our united kingdom christian Queen

[video=youtube;ZkdyuOTf5Sk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkdyuOTf5Sk[/video]
Is she a Christian? I don't know anything about her yet...sorry.
 
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It is my humble opinion the mind is the temple,AND THE TEMPLE IS THE CROWN.
The crown is situated between the eyebrow and the and the hair line,, so you may want to give it a rub :).

Becarfull not to rub it to hard as you may squash the spirit.

This is the true meaning of renewing your mind daily rub wash rinse and reapeat daily. chuckle chuckle:rolleyes:.






Your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy.
They are holy to the parents for reasons that they have been born ito a holy family and amen for the kids such a blessing. some are not so fortunate.

1 Cor 7:14

Even the elect can fall away (But not lost) ,, and i have sripture to prove it or better still google fall away and work it out for your self. The spirit the father and the son will never fall away so there for you may be holy but not holier than thow meaning Lord. (But yes you can strive to be like him.).

You may be holy i dont know to me your a text on the pc i dont know you.

The thing is tho do you renew your mind daily or are you to perfect for that. ?[/QUOTE]

This is where self descriptive words have to be put in brackets.
We what we are, and God loves us. It is the walk and fellowship that matters and loving
those we meet. In terms of encouragement we need this everyday from the Lord and
our fellow believers family.

And our minds are always renewed, because nothing stands still.
 
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Is she a Christian? I don't know anything about her yet...sorry.
oh yeah [video]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/27/theresa-may-says-christian-faith-helps-make-difficult-decisions/[/video]
 

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Marie is a female French name. Does that mean that all Maries's are humans and females? Or is Marie a peculiarty of language?


And so this supposed "power" only thing grieves like God does? Loves like a Being does?..etc...etc
You are using the very argument that the door disproves.
 
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They are holy to the parents for reasons that they have been born ito a holy family and amen for the kids such a blessing. some are not so fortunate.

1 Cor 7:14

Even the elect can fall away (But not lost) ,, and i have sripture to prove it or better still google fall away and work it out for your self. The spirit the father and the son will never fall away so there for you may be holy but not holier than thow meaning Lord. (But yes you can strive to be like him.).

You may be holy i dont know to me your a text on the pc i dont know you.

The thing is tho do you renew your mind daily or are you to perfect for that. ?
This is where self descriptive words have to be put in brackets.
We what we are, and God loves us. It is the walk and fellowship that matters and loving
those we meet. In terms of encouragement we need this everyday from the Lord and
our fellow believers family.

And our minds are always renewed, because nothing stands still.


[/QUOTE]yesh thought would see bad again are you ok really.

blessed our the peace makers for they will inherit the kingdom stick that in ya pipe and smoke it cause befor you go to war its best to have a peace plan
 
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Originally Posted by Grace777x70


Marie is a female French name. Does that mean that all Maries's are humans and females? Or is Marie a peculiarty of language?


And so this supposed "power" only thing grieves like God does? Loves like a Being does?..etc...etc



You are using the very argument that the door disproves.
So, an "it" has God attributes? Can an "it" grieve from it's heart? Can an "it" love from it's heart? Can an "it" express joy?

Can an "it" speak and send out people like Holy Spirit did in Acts to Paul and Barnabas when "He" said "Separate unto Me for the work that I have set them apart to do." then the scripture says " Having been sent out by the Holy Spirit - Paul and Barnabas went...." Acts 13:1-4

You can believe He is an "it" if you like but I will never fall for it myself.