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Amen....exactly why JESUS said --->He that has eyes to see and ears to hear.....and after almost 33 years of intensive study and 45 years in church I have concluded that the King Jimmy, if NOT looked at through the lens of the Greek and Hebrew can lead astray.......hence the current misapplication of the word translated HELL....
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Peter or paul?
Ephesians 4:8
Therefore He says: “When He ascended on high, He led captivity captive, And gave gifts to men.”
Ephesians 4:8
Therefore He says: “When He ascended on high, He led captivity captive, And gave gifts to men.”
Bolded corrected....and compare with Peter's words in 1st Peter
And to fully grasp this phrase and it's meaning.....note it's usage in..... Judges 5:12 and Psalm 68:18
The spirits in PETER were SOMETIMES disobedient......I personally believe that some saved that did not believe the message of NOAH perished in the flood
And to fully grasp this phrase and it's meaning.....note it's usage in..... Judges 5:12 and Psalm 68:18
The spirits in PETER were SOMETIMES disobedient......I personally believe that some saved that did not believe the message of NOAH perished in the flood
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I think jesus explained it with the beggar, one was in abrahams bosom, the other was in hades, they were seperated by a gulf and could not cross over
Just took those in who were saved to heaven, (just calls this paradise) and left those in prison there (called hades) where they will be delivered to jesus for final judgment
Just took those in who were saved to heaven, (just calls this paradise) and left those in prison there (called hades) where they will be delivered to jesus for final judgment
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Ouch, no, i can not believe this..
αἰχμᾰλωσία, ἡ, (αἰχμάλωτος) captivity: a body of captives, Diod., N.T.
αἰχμαλωτίζωa; αἰχμαλωτεύω: to cause someone to become a prisoner of war—‘to make captive, to take captive, to capture someone in war.’
αἰχμαλωτίζωa: πεσοῦνται στόματι μαχαίρης καὶ αἰχμαλωτισθήσονται εἰς τὰ ἔθνη πάντα ‘they will be killed by the sword and taken captive to all countries’ Lk 21:24.
αἰχμαλωτεύω: ἀναβὰς εἰς ὕψος ᾐχμαλώτευσεν αἰχμαλωσίαν ‘when he went up to the very heights, he took many captives with him’ Eph 4:8. In Eph 4:8 αἰχμαλωσία ‘captivity’ (55.23) is added redundantly to αἰχμαλωτεύω due to Semitic usage. The combination of words simply means ‘to take many captives.’
Not sure what your getting at bro
αἰχμᾰλωσία, ἡ, (αἰχμάλωτος) captivity: a body of captives, Diod., N.T.
αἰχμαλωτίζωa; αἰχμαλωτεύω: to cause someone to become a prisoner of war—‘to make captive, to take captive, to capture someone in war.’
αἰχμαλωτίζωa: πεσοῦνται στόματι μαχαίρης καὶ αἰχμαλωτισθήσονται εἰς τὰ ἔθνη πάντα ‘they will be killed by the sword and taken captive to all countries’ Lk 21:24.
αἰχμαλωτεύω: ἀναβὰς εἰς ὕψος ᾐχμαλώτευσεν αἰχμαλωσίαν ‘when he went up to the very heights, he took many captives with him’ Eph 4:8. In Eph 4:8 αἰχμαλωσία ‘captivity’ (55.23) is added redundantly to αἰχμαλωτεύω due to Semitic usage. The combination of words simply means ‘to take many captives.’
Not sure what your getting at bro
What I am getting at is simple....Jesus did not go to hell........as some are saying above....and the words of Peter to me are clear....they were SOMETIMES disobedient which means that sometimes they WERE obedient <---same can be said of those that perished in the wilderness because of failing to believe they could not take the LAND due to the Giants......same principle....they were SOMETIMES obedient (shed blood of the Passover applied) but were DISOBEDIENT sometimes (did not take the land due to unbelief)
The OT is full of this premise.....
The OT is full of this premise.....
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2Sa 22:6 (KJV) The sorrows of hell compassed me about; the snares of death prevented me;
2Sa 22:7 (KJV) In my distress I called upon the LORD, and cried to my God: and he did hear my voice out of his temple, and my cry did enter into his ears.
You’re pretty good with the Old Testament, hopefully you can see that the verse I posted is Jesus.
He says the SORROWS of hell have surrounded him. He says he called out to God in his DISTRESS.
Does that sound like Paradise to you?
And by the way, I’m not arguing that the grave is hell, the grave is hell. Hell has two compartments and Jesus went to both of them.
2Sa 22:7 (KJV) In my distress I called upon the LORD, and cried to my God: and he did hear my voice out of his temple, and my cry did enter into his ears.
You’re pretty good with the Old Testament, hopefully you can see that the verse I posted is Jesus.
He says the SORROWS of hell have surrounded him. He says he called out to God in his DISTRESS.
Does that sound like Paradise to you?
And by the way, I’m not arguing that the grave is hell, the grave is hell. Hell has two compartments and Jesus went to both of them.
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I’m in total agreement, your gospel based on your study methods is polar opposite to my beliefs based on reading the KJV.
But would you please explain where Jesus was when the sorrows of hell surrounded him.
Where was he when he was crying out to God in distress?
Where was he when the earth shook and trembled; the foundations of heaven moved and shook, because he was wroth.
If this is not hell, a place of torment and sorrows located in the heart of the earth, then what do you call that place?
But would you please explain where Jesus was when the sorrows of hell surrounded him.
Where was he when he was crying out to God in distress?
Where was he when the earth shook and trembled; the foundations of heaven moved and shook, because he was wroth.
If this is not hell, a place of torment and sorrows located in the heart of the earth, then what do you call that place?
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Hades is the abode of the dead right now
Hell is the permanent abode created for satan and his angels.. Also called the lake of fire, where all those found not written in the book of life, are sent
If you read revelations, Hades delievers its dead to jesus for that judgment, THEN those people are sent to hell.
Hell is the permanent abode created for satan and his angels.. Also called the lake of fire, where all those found not written in the book of life, are sent
If you read revelations, Hades delievers its dead to jesus for that judgment, THEN those people are sent to hell.
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