Not By Works

[Macabeus]

I did NOT say regeneration is a process.

1. Drawing to Jesus MAY BE a process.

2. Progressive Sanctification is a process

3. Growth is a process

4. Preservation is a processs

But regeneration, justification, and adoption happen INSTANTLY when a person believes

Do you believe justification is a process. I hope not. Regeneration is no more a process than justification. Neither are processes

Gotta quit for now. Please read my posts more carefully with an attempt to understand, because you are not repeating what I say accurately.

How about questions like “is this what you mean” instead of “you’re saying this, because what you are repeating is sometimes the opposite of what I am saying

I have big things happening today,so I have to quit for now. Thanks for knowing how to disagree without name calling and ad hominems. You are actually a rarity in that sense. Blessings😀

 

[posthuman]

Comas also separate several things in a list of things. 😊

commas also aren't part of the original text but are added in translations interpretively

 

[KJV1611]

commas also aren't part of the original text but are added in translations interpretively

When commas are used I just look at the main point the passage is speaking to and remove the comas to see if the sentence still makes sense with the text of the commas removed. Then I know why the commas were there to begin with.

 

[dcontroversal]

Interesting .... definitely spiritual
Not sure if the renewing of our mind is regeneration

Paul calls the renewing of our mind "transformation" Romans 12

 

[VCO]

There is a Verse in Scripture, that is MORE misinterpreted than any other VERSE. So before you Take Up stones to cast at me, HEAR ME OUT.

Ephesians 4:4-6 (HCSB)
4 There is one body and one Spirit—just as you were called to one hope at your calling—
5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 one God and Father of all, who is above all and through all and in all.

That one baptism is not talking about Christian Water Baptism, it is Talking about when we were first SAVED, the Holy Spirit IMMERSED {Baptized} us into the Spiritual Body of Jesus Christ. I will prove it with the Scriptures. Yes, Christian Water Baptism, is important in that after we ARE SAVED, we are to Publically personally Identify that we HAVE RECEIVED CHRIST AS LORD OF OUR LIVES. But that is not the Baptism that SAVES, even though it should be one of the first steps of Walking In Christ. However, it is the IMMERSION INTO THE SPIRITUAL Body of Christ, of which HE is the Head, that did SAVE US.

1 Corinthians 12:12-14 (HCSB)
12 For as the body is one and has many parts, and all the parts of that body, though many, are one body—so also is Christ.
13 For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.
14 So the body is not one part but many.


EVEN THE THIEF ON THE CROSS WAS IMMERSED INTO THE SPIRITUAL BODY OF CHRIST WHILE HE WAS STILL ON THE CROSS.
So that is the one baptism that SAVES, and ALL of us who have received HIM as LORD, have received that Spiritual Baptism.
Therefore the ONE BAPTISM in Eph 4:5, has to be talking about that BAPTISM that was performed by the HOLY SPIRIT.


Ephesians 1:13-14 (NASB)
13 In Him, [.NOTICE: the H.S. Baptized you into Him.] you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,
14 who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God's own possession, to the praise of His glory.


When the GOSPEL of our Salvation, came into our Hearts with understanding, the Holy Spirit immediately immersed us into the Body of Christ; LONG BEFORE YOU EVER DECIDED TO CLIMB INTO A BAPTISTERY.

 

[VCO]

Macabeus said:
The new creation is the result of regeneration. Like a baby is the result of conception and birth.

The Drawing is conception and regeneration is the birth. All performed by God.

Once we are born, the process of growth begins. But regeneration itself is instant

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The new creation is the result of regeneration. Like a baby is the result of conception and birth.

The Drawing is conception and regeneration is the birth. All performed by God.

Once we are born, the process of growth begins. But regeneration itself is instant

I just posted new subject you may want to debate, is is What the BIBLE means by ONE BAPTISM. It came from the SERMON we listened to this Morning. I know you have been on Regeneration for awhile, I thought you may want to AGREE TO DISAGREE and go on to a new subject.

 

[Macabeus]

Macabeus said:
The new creation is the result of regeneration. Like a baby is the result of conception and birth.

The Drawing is conception and regeneration is the birth. All performed by God.

Once we are born, the process of growth begins. But regeneration itself is instant

I just posted new subject you may want to debate, is is What the BIBLE means by ONE BAPTISM. It came from the SERMON we listened to this Morning. I know you have been on Regeneration for awhile, I thought you may want to AGREE TO DISAGREE and go on to a new subject.[/QUOTE]

Sure. I’ll come check it out. Thanks for the invite. 😀

 

[UnderGrace]

Paul calls the renewing of our mind "transformation" Romans 12

Perfect, Thank you.

That debate is done... leave it do @dcontroversal to make it easy peasy and clear!

 

[Macabeus]

Perfect, Thank you.

That debate is done... leave it do @dcontroversal to make it easy peasy and clear!

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I agree with DC his definition on renewal of mind, but we do know that that is not regeneration. Regeneration is the new birth. Renewal is a result of the new birth. One is instant when saved, and the other begins at salvation, but is a continuous process, like sanctification😀

 

[Macabeus]

I agree with DC his definition on renewal of mind, but we do know that that is not regeneration. Regeneration is the new birth. Renewal is a result of the new birth. One is instant when saved, and the other begins at salvation, but is a continuous process, like sanctification😀

That is why Titus 3:5 says washing of regeneration AND renewing of the Holy Spirit.

Palingenessia.

Compound noun.

From palin- again or anew

And genesis- birth or creation

New birth or new creation. Instant when one believes. But we are babes, and grow into it by putting OFF the old man and putting on the New man

 

[stillness]

The fact he said what he said about JESUS being SAVED places him in the "ignore his ignorance group"

Then remain ignorant. I rest in God who told me: I don't need your help. He doesn't need my help to convince others to walk in Love. The Holy Spirit convinces us of sin. Jesus did take our sin mature to hell and was saved by the Holy Spirit and why we can't be saved by our works: we have been sentenced to death by God. Our Hope is the Way Jesus made in Himself. You seek to quarrel is the dead work that you speak against and are ensnared in by judging others.

 

[dcontroversal]

Then remain ignorant. I rest in God who told me: I don't need your help. He doesn't need my help to convince others to walk in Love. The Holy Spirit convinces us of sin. Jesus did take our sin mature to hell and was saved by the Holy Spirit and why we can't be saved by our works: we have been sentenced to death by God. Our Hope is the Way Jesus made in Himself. You seek to quarrel is the dead work that you speak against and are ensnared in by judging others.

This post reeks of pure ignorance....Jesus did not go to hell genius.....He went to paradise, Abraham's bosom....HIS DEATH ratified the New Covenant and his shed blood SATISFIED the law's requirement......

Wow man...pick a bible up and start studing it!!

 

[Hevosmies]

This post reeks of pure ignorance....Jesus did not go to hell genius.....He went to paradise, Abraham's bosom....HIS DEATH ratified the New Covenant and his shed blood SATISFIED the law's requirement......

Wow man...pick a bible up and start studing it!!

stillness is LOST in the SAUCE my friend.

WHAT in the world is he talking about LOL. You know how when you're listening to someone preach and you say "Well, eat the meat spit out the bones"? That post by stillness was just nothing BUT bones, error after error after error. WHAT HAPPENED? Did he get deceived by some false teacher?

 

[stillness]

Pre-trib does not jive with scripture..........and the thing that makes me chuckle....those that divide his coming into two separate events...

was
is
is to come

ALL things must jive with one coming (body presence)

This post reeks of pure ignorance....Jesus did not go to hell genius.....He went to paradise, Abraham's bosom....HIS DEATH ratified the New Covenant and his shed blood SATISFIED the law's requirement......

Wow man...pick a bible up and start studing it!!

You judge yourself very harshly, in another post you say you behave like someone who has not read through the bible. Wy bring yourself down to a place you will regret when you die, desiring to be in charge and "Speaking against the brethren with malicious words." I alredalready knew before reading your judgment against yourself that you had nothing good to say. At least your attitude of violence exposes your teaching as remaining a babe crying for attention.

This post reeks of pure ignorance....Jesus did not go to hell genius.....He went to paradise, Abraham's bosom....HIS DEATH ratified the New Covenant and his shed blood SATISFIED the law's requirement......

Wow man...pick a bible up and start studing it!!

 

[stillness]

This post reeks of puAbrahams bosom were not dead. Jesus referred to Lazarus as asleep. Yudge....

Wow man...pick a bible up and start studing it!!

 

[VCO]

stillness is LOST in the SAUCE my friend.

WHAT in the world is he talking about LOL. You know how when you're listening to someone preach and you say "Well, eat the meat spit out the bones"? That post by stillness was just nothing BUT bones, error after error after error. WHAT HAPPENED? Did he get deceived by some false teacher?

He is one the LITERALLY believes the Apostles Creed.

Apostles' Creed
I believe in God, the Father almighty,
creator of heaven and earth.
I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord,
who was conceived by the Holy Spirit
and born of the virgin Mary.
He suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried;
he descended to hell.
The third day he rose again from the dead.
He ascended to heaven
and is seated at the right hand of God the Father almighty.
From there he will come to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy catholic* church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. Amen.

*that is, the true Christian church of all times and all places


If he literally when to hell/hades, it was not to take our sins there, BUT TO PROCLAIM THE VICTORY TO THE FALLEN SPIRITS IMPRISONED THERE.

This is were they get that idea from.

Ephesians 4:8-10 (NKJV)
8 Therefore He says: "When He ascended on high, He led captivity captiveHe led captivity captive,, And gave gifts to men."
9 (Now this, "He ascended"--what does it mean but that He also first descended into the lower parts of the earth?
10 He who descended is also the One who ascended far above all the heavens, that He might fill all things.)


Here is how that expression was explained to me.
He led captivity captive, is a ROMAN CONQUERING GENERAL'S Victory Parade. He would lead those who had once held our POWs Captive, in the Victory Parade as Prisoners. So WHO is CHRIST leading as prisoners:

1 Corinthians 15:55 (NKJV)
55 "O Death, where is your sting? O Hades, where is your victory?"

 

[stillness]

This post reeks of pure ignorance....Jesus did not go to hell genius.....He went to paradise, Abraham's bosom....HIS DEATH ratified the New Covenant and his shed blood SATISFIED the law's requirement......

Wow man...pick a bible up and start studing it!!

Jesus arose from The dead and said, "I have the keys of death and hell." But as long as you think that you know, you have stoped learning and will remain in the box of your understanding. "If I have all knowledge and have not Love I am nothing."

 

[KJV1611]

This post reeks of pure ignorance....Jesus did not go to hell genius.....He went to paradise, Abraham's bosom....HIS DEATH ratified the New Covenant and his shed blood SATISFIED the law's requirement......

Wow man...pick a bible up and start studing it!!

Act_2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

No matter if you see "his soul" as being David or Jesus, Jesus went to hell.
If the verse is speaking of Jesus, which it is, his soul was not left in hell, neither did his flesh see corruption.
If the verse is speaking of David, Jesus went to where David was and Acts 2:31 says he was in hell.

Jonah is a second witness to that.
Jonah foreshadowing Christ, cried out from the belly of hell.

Jon_2:2 And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.

 

[Macabeus]

I just posted new subject you may want to debate, is is What the BIBLE means by ONE BAPTISM. It came from the SERMON we listened to this Morning. I know you have been on Regeneration for awhile, I thought you may want to AGREE TO DISAGREE and go on to a new subject.

Sure. I’ll come check it out. Thanks for the invite. 😀[/QUOTE]

I haven’t seen the thread, VCO. Is it in Bible discussion?

 

[fredoheaven]

Comas also separate several things in a list of things. 😊

Yap sir, KJV is appointed/ intended to be read aloud in churches, hence the presence of commas and other punctuation marks. The presence of commas in English KJV especially in the passages that were brought out, however, speaks of clarity and are appropriate in a given sentence.