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Ariel82

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eternally-gratefull said:
Wow, I have read their gospel, and t is the same as ours, I do not know where you are reading, there are a few hyper grace people here, and I knew their gospel before I knew they were hypergrace,

the only people i hear call them easy believers is stephen Peter and their gang, and they use anti HP websights to promote their lies,, so I hope that is not where you get your info.


Anyway, I am interested, Can you share it, maybe you saw something I did not?
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Lol someone labeled me reformed. Another said i teach easy believism.,,.,so labels of people given by others, I take with a grain of salt,,,in that it's often misrepresenting what those people actually believe.

We can talk about the label hyper grace and what it implies. If folks want to take it further and accuse folks of believing that doctrine...well that is a different story and would need more investigation.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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PeterJens said:
These are all attitude criticisms. Attacking attitude without content is just personal abuse.
The victim cannot respond because there is nothing to respond to or even offer up.
It is just pummeling someone against a wall. Very unusual behaviour for evangelism.

Take the lead from Bill who is a good brother in Christ. We are just sharers of the treasure
within, and some take encouragement from us, but we are always sinners saved by grace,
saints in need of filling.

To reach hearts we need to be Christ to those around, servants who can see and encourage
and be with others.
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when you see a brother in sin, you correct them when you see them headed to hell, you try to correct them.

I tried to be like bill bill with you, many people have, soon enough we get sick of your nonsense and slanderous ways, hypocrisy and tearing people down,

but hey, you never do anything wrong, we know that, so be it,m good luck.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Ariel82 said:
There is a difference between hyper grace and biblical grace but I have to go camping with 8 girl scouts so be back when they are busy.
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We have been over this, many thread have beenopen e concerning it.

there is no difference, the only difference is wolf. Which is not Slavic.
 
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Stephen63 said:
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...rror-hyper-gracea-response-michael-brown.html

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/133149-your-sins-not-being-recorded.html

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/130914-boast-goda-s-grace-you.html

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/129964-grace-not-message-its-person-jesus.html

These are just a few I've found so far. Check them out.
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He perhaps teaches his errors in total ignorance of truth. That's a strong perhaps.

He believes the OT saints were saved by keeping the law which shows how clueless he is to soteriology and real biblical grace.

But what should one expect from these wolf protectors who defend heresy and attack those who are orthodox? ;)
 
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Ariel82

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Stephen63 said:
Go to G777's page, check "started threads", then go back to Dec 2015. It's all there. He actually started threads on hypergrace & started the whole HG war that lasted a year & a half.

I didn't trust anyone either, I did the legwork..... that's how I know he is.
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His post gives me a headache..,do I really have to?

I would rather talk to Bill and Dcon.

No offense meant G777, just being truthful. Its like we talk a totally different language.

Maybe I will look it up later when I have time.
 
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Ariel82

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Grace777x70 said:
Read this so that you get the truth from the horse's mouth and not some "twisting" of what is really being said. At least you will be able to say "What are they really saying about some subjects?"

Why I am Hyper-Grace: Answering Five Common Objections


https://joyfullygrowingingrace.wordpress.com/2014/02/26/what-about-hyper-grace/


Then of course people are free to agree or disagree too but at least if people would stop mis-representing what is really being said - that would be a start. I have never seen so much deceitful behavior amongst so-called Christians in my life since I came on this site and some of them are supposedly pastors too.

No wonder people are rejecting Christ - they are not really rejecting Christ - they are rejecting what others are portraying Him as.
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Alright I will look at it.
 
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Ariel82

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Stephen63 said:
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...rror-hyper-gracea-response-michael-brown.html

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/133149-your-sins-not-being-recorded.html

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/130914-boast-goda-s-grace-you.html

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/129964-grace-not-message-its-person-jesus.html

These are just a few I've found so far. Check them out.
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Will add them to my reading list but I feel like we are derailing Dcon's thread.

Can you tell us what biblical grace is?

I always believe that if you teach people God's truth they can recognize lies in whatever form folks try and twist it.
 
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Ariel82

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Fyi...I really don't like that Gandhi quote.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
We have been over this, many thread have beenopen e concerning it.

there is no difference, the only difference is wolf. Which is not Slavic.
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I am not so sure of that EG..WOF is lead by direct revelation and the Bible is used to support their "visions". I consider it Demonically inspired visions.

Folks are in need of prayer and strong understanding of the Bible.

I will read and pray about the articles given.

Thanks all my brothers for their help in educating me on the topic.

I typically just avoid those threads.
 
preacher4truth

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Stephen63 said:
Now he quotes a true Satan-server.

Yeah..... maybe we should believe HIM
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He'll slander the orthodox, praise the heretic, then offer a verse (out of context of course) on not slandering others while doing it himself. :rolleyes:
 
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Unfortunately Gandhi shows what the world sees when they look at the behavior of some of us Christians. The behavior of some of us is atrocious and people can see that. Even so-called pastors are exhibiting terrible behavior. Gandhi was no saint for sure.

Here is what I believe just to stop the deceitfulness that goes on in some people.

I absolutely love it when I get the opportunity to talk about Christ and the gospel and how He transforms us as we are one with Him forever.

We are saved by the life of the Lord Jesus Christ which is in us in our new creation. We are now learning how to walk by the spirit - which is our spirit in union with Christ by the Holy Spirit ( whom Jesus said would be in us forever - John 14:16 ).

Romans 5:10-11 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

[SUP]11 [/SUP] And not only this, but we also exult in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation.

Living by the flesh does not stop making us a new creation in Christ. It makes us deceived by sin and distorts our view of the Lord's love and grace towards God Himself, others and ourselves.

I have found the very same thing happening in my life. The more I see Christ and what He has done - and the more I agree with His work - the more He becomes manifested in my life and the things of the flesh just have fallen off like dead leaves on a branch.

Transformation is really the emerging new man that is in Christ being manifested in our bodies while we are here on this earth.

This transformation of what already is in us in Christ in our new creation ( It is not called a "new evolution" ) can be seen by man as our minds get renewed to the truth of Christ's work for us. Rom. 12:2

We are simply "being" who we already are when we "put on Christ".

The new man in Christ is like the invisible man - when he put clothes on, people could then see him. We put on Christ and people see the new man in Christ manifested and God gets glorified.

This all happens by grace through faith in what Christ has done and we participate in it with Him for it is God who is at work in us both to will and to do of His good pleasure. He will be faithful to us. Phil. 2:13

As we learn to walk by the spirit instead of the flesh - then we experience God's kind of life in our lives.
 
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Why I am Hyper-Grace: Answering Five Common Objections

. We hyper-grace preachers DO value confession of sin. We also practice confession of sin in our own lives. However, we understand confession to be about agreeing with God concerning the foolishness of our sin rather than begging for forgiveness
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I can see some of the points being made...but it still seems like unnecessary headache to redefine terms.
 
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Ariel82 said:
Why I am Hyper-Grace: Answering Five Common Objections



I can see some of the points being made...but it still seems like unnecessary headache to redefine terms.
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To me it boils down to this. There is a massive difference between believing that our sins are forgiven and so we confess everything to the Lord and the need to confess the sins or they are not forgiven. One is the true gospel - they other is not.

I confess my sins and everything else to the Lord but not "in order" to get forgiveness".

I believe the gospel message that Jesus has forgiven my sins on the cross with His blood. Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.
 
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Ariel82

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I do believe that when we are born again we get new hearts. However our minds still need to be renewed in Christ. We still need to teach our bodies to be obedient. We still need to learn self control. We still have spiritual strongholds that need to be torn down.

Our bodies are being sanctified for God's use by us learning to walk with the Holy Spirit. This is a progressive thing, an ongoing life long process.
 
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[video=youtube;NWeEYKqAdQ8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWeEYKqAdQ8[/video]

2 Samuel 7:18
Then went king David in, and sat before the LORD, and he said, Who am I, O Lord GOD? and what is my house, that thou hast brought me hitherto?

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Ariel82

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Grace777x70 said:
To me it boils down to this. There is a massive difference between believing that our sins are forgiven and so we confess everything to the Lord and the need to confess the sins or they are not forgiven. One is the true gospel - they other is not.

I confess my sins and everything else to the Lord but not "in order" to get forgiveness".

I believe the gospel message that Jesus has forgiven my sins on the cross with His blood. Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.
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I confess my sins to God in order to get forgiveness and then He tells me He has ALREADY forgiven me. Then shows me how to fix what I did (ask forgiveness from someone, repay someone if I broke or toke something that didn't belong to me, etc.)

Sometimes He tells me He will take care of it and to just rest and He will show me what to do in the morning.

There is nothing wrong in asking God for forgiveness.

It's only wrong if you don't believe God can forgive you and you avoid praying and seeking God because of your fear.
 
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Ariel82

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GracethroughfaithinChrist said:
[video=youtube;NWeEYKqAdQ8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWeEYKqAdQ8[/video]

2 Samuel 7:18
Then went king David in, and sat before the LORD, and he said, Who am I, O Lord GOD? and what is my house, that thou hast brought me hitherto?

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One of my favorite songs ever.
 
PeterJens

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My comments on HG are based on discussion asking about the major differences
and just picking up the responses.

When reflected back they were agreed this was their position but they hated it being
put in a negative light.

I still am amazed at denial of simple theological points.
The only issue is the one we have faced here, future sin forgiven and the claim that
without security you are not a believer, or any faith you have in Christ is worthless.

So there is no real mystery or big discovery. God bless
 
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