Not By Works
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Not at all. Jesus told us this would happen. That those who teach the Truth would be mocked and persecuted.
I count myself in good company with the Prophets, Apostles, and Jesus, Himself.
I count myself in good company with the Prophets, Apostles, and Jesus, Himself.
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Make no mistake pal, you never understood eternal security and or salvation....and by what you peddle now.....it is obvious to all that you still do not know what you are talking about! Just another one in a long list of tbose that devalue Christ while butchering the word of God!
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Morning Blue....hey, true story....I am walking around my 51 acres a few days ago and hear this squeeking sound....I look up and here comes one of my female cats (the black one) and she was packing a squirrel hahahahhaha They are always in the trees, on the roof etc. hunting birds, squirrels etc......
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I feel very empowered .... hehehe
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You know it’s both funny and sad, and actually it’s also quite annoying that these worker bee salvationists and perfectionists always look down their collective noses at OSAS believers.
Their arrogance is so thick they actually believe we don’t repent and do good works to the glory of God. The difference is obviously, we do good works out of love for God and neighbor, not to maintain our salvation.
Their arrogance is so thick they actually believe we don’t repent and do good works to the glory of God. The difference is obviously, we do good works out of love for God and neighbor, not to maintain our salvation.
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My view is that this OSAS vs non-OSAS nonsense is just like the baptism debate, its a SELF-INFLICTED wound on Christianity.
The baptism debate stems from people not getting baptized right away, as was the case in apostolic times. If we baptized immediately, the debate would die down, but sadly its like being in a deposition to get baptized in some churches.
The OSAS vs non-OSAS debate stems from a MISUNDERSTANDING of descriptive vs prescriptive texts. Example verse:
Hebrews 3:6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
Prescriptive reading goes: "You have to hold fast to be saved, you have to do that to become His house"
Descriptive reading goes: "Those who are of the house WILL indeed hold fast the confidence they have"
Instead of being a condition, its an ENCOURAGING passage of HOPE if read in the descriptive way.
For anyone who wants to argue that its the WRONG way to read texts like these: It CANT BE, because God knows the future, we can all agree on that. Why would God bother giving eternal life to someone who wont "make it" in the works salvation view of things? Plus, this reading is the only way to reconcile John 10:28, Romans 8:28ff, John 5:24 and many more eternal security verses. Those verses CANNOT be reconciled to the prescriptive reading of DoItYourself IKEA salvation!
The baptism debate stems from people not getting baptized right away, as was the case in apostolic times. If we baptized immediately, the debate would die down, but sadly its like being in a deposition to get baptized in some churches.
The OSAS vs non-OSAS debate stems from a MISUNDERSTANDING of descriptive vs prescriptive texts. Example verse:
Hebrews 3:6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
Prescriptive reading goes: "You have to hold fast to be saved, you have to do that to become His house"
Descriptive reading goes: "Those who are of the house WILL indeed hold fast the confidence they have"
Instead of being a condition, its an ENCOURAGING passage of HOPE if read in the descriptive way.
For anyone who wants to argue that its the WRONG way to read texts like these: It CANT BE, because God knows the future, we can all agree on that. Why would God bother giving eternal life to someone who wont "make it" in the works salvation view of things? Plus, this reading is the only way to reconcile John 10:28, Romans 8:28ff, John 5:24 and many more eternal security verses. Those verses CANNOT be reconciled to the prescriptive reading of DoItYourself IKEA salvation!
Try the garden....the self maintained or gained acceptance by God started in the Garden with Adam and Eve attempting to cover their sin and shame, then continued with Cain offering the works of his hands....it is an ongoing struggle and Satan himself is at the core of those that peddle a losable salvation!!!!!
Oh that's right....I forgot you support those that cause division, peddle a works salvation and don't talk to those that report BS when one continues to twist, skew, change what we say, embellish what we say etc............shakes head!!
Oh that's right....I forgot you support those that cause division, peddle a works salvation and don't talk to those that report BS when one continues to twist, skew, change what we say, embellish what we say etc............shakes head!!
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Anyone who knows these works salvation folks in real life knows they aint all they preach! Those cainologists as you cal them leave God out the picture completely! BIG MISTAKE!
Not saying I am either, but then again I never CLAIMED to be!
Can we squash the beef? @you @Lightskin
Not saying I am either, but then again I never CLAIMED to be!
Can we squash the beef? @you @Lightskin
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