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This is just too bizarre to respond to really but let try this.....
I knew a person who believed in conditional security of the believer, who did an abundant number of good works, a pillar of the community, selflessly devoting himself to his fellowship of believers.... a life of good works.
And he spoke of "Jesus as Lord" daily I am sure.
And then one day the police came and took him away in handcuffs for possession of child pornography.
So really your point has nothing to do with OSAS.
I knew a person who believed in conditional security of the believer, who did an abundant number of good works, a pillar of the community, selflessly devoting himself to his fellowship of believers.... a life of good works.
And he spoke of "Jesus as Lord" daily I am sure.
And then one day the police came and took him away in handcuffs for possession of child pornography.
So really your point has nothing to do with OSAS.
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Keep reading because James makes a very important point about justification as being one from God and then as a indicator before men....which is the entire focus of his letter.
James 2:23
23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,”[a] and he was called God’s friend.
It was the people who saw his work that called him God's friend.
James 2:23
23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,”[a] and he was called God’s friend.
It was the people who saw his work that called him God's friend.
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Yes, no ammount of works will please God without faith. The thing people miss is they equate spiritual life with works. Works do not produce spiritual life, but spiritual life is the product of our conversion. So if someone says you need works to be saved, they are incorrect. But if they say “Those who are saved have spiritual life,” they are agreeing with Jesus
The horse pulls the cart,not the reverse...
The horse pulls the cart,not the reverse...
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Regarding the child molester, (if he is still doing such things...) There are people on all sides that corrupt the teaching of the Grace of God and turn it into indulgence to sin and unrestrained evil. I have known people who don’t believe in OSAS that lived like devils.
It could be bad teaching or it could be cognitive dissonance that causes such things.
It could be bad teaching or it could be cognitive dissonance that causes such things.
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Yes, sons of God are signified by their peculiar habit of following God in obedience. While those who are not sons of God are signified by their peculiar habit NOT to follow God in obedience.
Yes, 'if the Spirit of God lives in us'.
Those controlled by the sinful nature DO NOT HAVE THE SPIRIT. Yet so many in the church think you can fall away to unbelief and be one who does not follow God and be controlled by the flesh and you are still going to heaven to be with Jesus when they die because you believed one time somewhere in the past. But the Bible says that behavior signifies the one who is neither a son of God nor one who has the Spirit.
Not a popular thing to say in today's evangelical church.
It will put you at odds with management.
I know. Been there, done that.
That seems to be the mantra of the modern evangelical church.
It's an ungodly rationalization and justification for remaining in death. All the while thinking you are in life.
Yes, 'if the Spirit of God lives in us'.
Those controlled by the sinful nature DO NOT HAVE THE SPIRIT. Yet so many in the church think you can fall away to unbelief and be one who does not follow God and be controlled by the flesh and you are still going to heaven to be with Jesus when they die because you believed one time somewhere in the past. But the Bible says that behavior signifies the one who is neither a son of God nor one who has the Spirit.
Not a popular thing to say in today's evangelical church.
It will put you at odds with management.
I know. Been there, done that.
That seems to be the mantra of the modern evangelical church.
It's an ungodly rationalization and justification for remaining in death. All the while thinking you are in life.
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I would hope this truth would bring 'Christians' who don't have works of righteousness in their lives, and who think they don't have to have them to be saved, to the end of themselves in utter frustration and hopelessness over their sin so they could truly receive God's gift of righteousness by faith and be changed. Instead, many of them simply double down all the harder on their assertion that they can still be saved even though they are living in the death that shows they are neither a son of God nor have the Spirit of God within them in salvation.
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The penalty iof sin is death
one sin is all It takes
the cross answered that gods love overcame that
if god died when we were his enemy. How much greater love does he have for us as children
once again. I suggest you stop
Thinking so highly of yourself. Your a sinner you deserve hell we all do. Until you see that. You will never come to the cross
one sin is all It takes
the cross answered that gods love overcame that
if god died when we were his enemy. How much greater love does he have for us as children
once again. I suggest you stop
Thinking so highly of yourself. Your a sinner you deserve hell we all do. Until you see that. You will never come to the cross
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For me herein lies the problem.
I wonder how many people respond to an alter can and then are left to their own devices?
I would say many indeed.
Very sad.
Fortunately at our church we follow everyone up and I feel privileged to be part of it.
It's not just about Jesus says now go do.
It goes deeper.
It's laying the right foundation of Jesus.
Out of which everything follows through.
Those I disciple are hurt, broken desolate people.
Addicts, sexually abused, feel worthless, unloved and so on.
We must remember that Jesus came to heal the broken hearted, set the prisoner free, for the marginlased and the dregs of society.
To me that is also part of discipleship as well.
When a person truly understands who they are in Jesus, a son of the Father then the natural reason is "I want to be like him"
Focus on that then as he increases in us then we decrease.
I further add Jesus also said baptise them.
This should be done ASAP, not based on merit or proof but based on the profession of faith.
I wonder how many people respond to an alter can and then are left to their own devices?
I would say many indeed.
Very sad.
Fortunately at our church we follow everyone up and I feel privileged to be part of it.
It's not just about Jesus says now go do.
It goes deeper.
It's laying the right foundation of Jesus.
Out of which everything follows through.
Those I disciple are hurt, broken desolate people.
Addicts, sexually abused, feel worthless, unloved and so on.
We must remember that Jesus came to heal the broken hearted, set the prisoner free, for the marginlased and the dregs of society.
To me that is also part of discipleship as well.
When a person truly understands who they are in Jesus, a son of the Father then the natural reason is "I want to be like him"
Focus on that then as he increases in us then we decrease.
I further add Jesus also said baptise them.
This should be done ASAP, not based on merit or proof but based on the profession of faith.
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why do we keep talking about salvation as though it doesn't actually have any effect on a person??
if God changes your heart that is going to have results in your life.
so what's with all the arguments swirling around hypothetical people who receive the Spirit and He has zero influence in them?
if God changes your heart that is going to have results in your life.
so what's with all the arguments swirling around hypothetical people who receive the Spirit and He has zero influence in them?
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maybe because this:
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maybe because people falsely equate being emotionally manipulated into walking down an aisle and repeating some magic words with salvation?
salvation is a supernatural work of God, not a ritual a person is coerced into taking part in by persuasive oration & emotive music.
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Or fell away from God back to unbelief. Perhaps through the deceitfulness of sin they let fester in them:
Hebrews 3 NAS
12Take care, brethren, that there not be in any one of you an evil, unbelieving heart that falls away from the living God. 13But encourage one another day after day, as long as it is still called “Today,” so that none of you will be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. 14For we have become partakers of Christ, if we hold fast the beginning of our assurance firm until the end,
Hebrews 10 NAS
23Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful; 24and let us consider how to stimulate one another to love and good deeds
The first two probably did more than that. Putting money in the bank is the least one could do to bring increase to it. At least one Bible interpretation notes that:
Matthew 25:27 KJV
27Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.
Contemporary English Version
"You could have at least put my money in the bank, so I could have earned interest on it."
You see, you can put your money to work yourself and bring increase to it. In fact, all the increase is yours. Or you can give it to a bank who invests it in those who put it to work, and you receive a small fee from the bankers for doing so. So, as far as investing goes and bringing increase to what you have, giving it to a bank is the very least you can do with your treasure.
This can be likened to the believer who receives the word of God and gives it to others for them to bring increase to it. Meanwhile, he himself does nothing with it. That would the very least a person could do with the treasure of the word of God entrusted to them. The one talent guy didn't even do that! Evangelism is quite literally the very least you could do with the word of God you have received (sorry to burst your bubble, evangelical church). The greater thing you can do with the word of God is bring increase to it in your own life.
Hebrews 3 NAS
12Take care, brethren, that there not be in any one of you an evil, unbelieving heart that falls away from the living God. 13But encourage one another day after day, as long as it is still called “Today,” so that none of you will be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. 14For we have become partakers of Christ, if we hold fast the beginning of our assurance firm until the end,
Hebrews 10 NAS
23Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful; 24and let us consider how to stimulate one another to love and good deeds
The first two probably did more than that. Putting money in the bank is the least one could do to bring increase to it. At least one Bible interpretation notes that:
Matthew 25:27 KJV
27Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.
Contemporary English Version
"You could have at least put my money in the bank, so I could have earned interest on it."
You see, you can put your money to work yourself and bring increase to it. In fact, all the increase is yours. Or you can give it to a bank who invests it in those who put it to work, and you receive a small fee from the bankers for doing so. So, as far as investing goes and bringing increase to what you have, giving it to a bank is the very least you can do with your treasure.
This can be likened to the believer who receives the word of God and gives it to others for them to bring increase to it. Meanwhile, he himself does nothing with it. That would the very least a person could do with the treasure of the word of God entrusted to them. The one talent guy didn't even do that! Evangelism is quite literally the very least you could do with the word of God you have received (sorry to burst your bubble, evangelical church). The greater thing you can do with the word of God is bring increase to it in your own life.
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