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EleventhHour

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He is the Bridegroom, and we COLLECTIVELY all believers male and female are the BRIDE. Therefore it is not unlawful for a husband to have multiple wives.
According to how you reasoned this out...... it would neither be unlawful for a wife to have multiple husbands.:unsure:
 
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EleventhHour

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You are having a field day projecting stuff onto me and accusing me of the things you do.
Now this is really quite a statement coming from you...shaking my head!!!

Remember this .....

You want your sin and you want free grace. You want the "best of both worlds". You can't have them both.
 
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That’s not what it says. There’s order in how God forms us in the womb, every member in it’s own order until we are fashioned together.

15 My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.
16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.
"Your eyes saw my substance, being yet unformed. And in Your book they all were written, The days fashioned for me, When as yet there were none of them."

I assume we are looking at the word "unperfect". In Jeremiah 1:12 we are told that God watches over His word to perform and to do what He says He is going to do. "“for I am watching over My word to accomplish it.” To be perfect means to bear fruit. A tree that is not mature enough to produce fruit does not lack perfection. In Hebrew the word we are looking at is גָּלְמִ֤י. The first letter of this word is Gimel and this represents the camel. We see this when Jesus was born when the wise men brought gifts to Jesus and presented them to Him at the time and place where He was born and entered into this world. The next letter is Lamed and this represents a Staff. God watches over the gifts that He gives us the same way a shepherd watches over a flock of sheep. The next letter Mem represents water. This is the work of the Holy Spirit. We know that living water flows from the Throne of God in Heaven. The final letter is Yud. This letter is little more then the mark the pen makes when it first touches the paper. All of the Hebrew letters start with Yud. This is represented by the Big Bang when all of the Universe stared off smaller then mustard seed. It is at this point where infinity became finite.

So we can look at the Hebrew to understand the meaning of the word translated: "unperfect". Also clearly we are talking about a book here that is written at conception. The word "book" is used 12 times in Revelation. I am sure this is one of the books that we read about in Johns letter to the churches. 12 is a powerful number. There are 12 tribes of Israel, 12 months in a year, 12 hours in a day, 12 gates, 12 minor prophets and so on.
 
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it would neither be unlawful for a wife to have multiple husbands.:unsure:
We do not ever see that in the Bible. Ruth had a second husband but her first husband had died and Baez was only keeping her husbands inheritance safe by providing a off spring for him. They call this a kinsman redeemer.
 
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EleventhHour

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We do not ever see that in the Bible. Ruth had a second husband but her first husband had died and Baez was only keeping her husbands inheritance safe by providing a off spring for him. They call this a kinsman redeemer.
Well thank goodness for this truth!! :)
 
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I do not need any help... the gospel message is clear eternally saved by grace through faith apart form works... eternally justified....... no double jeopardy!!
Grace in Greek is Charis the word "gift" is Charisma. This is the word Charismatic Christians use to talk about the gifts of the Holy Spirit of God in us. Grace is a work God does in us and though us to change us into the Image of His Son. My wife talks about this. She thinks that married people look alike. If we are to be the Bride of Christ then we are to become as He is.
 
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Grace in Greek is Charis the word "gift" is Charisma. This is the word Charismatic Christians use to talk about the gifts of the Holy Spirit of God in us. Grace is a work God does in us and though us to change us into the Image of His Son. My wife talks about this. She thinks that married people look alike. If we are to be the Bride of Christ then we are to become as He is.
His image exists within us as born again believers.... so the change is manifesting outward the "new creation" that is already in place.
 
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His image exists within us as born again believers....
This is what I am trying to understand. If Jesus was birthed inside of Mary. Then as believers He is to be spiritually birthed inside of us. When we are born again we are to take on the Mind of Christ and the Divine thoughts of God.
 

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. . . Actually it is still not a sin. Not that I would personally recommend it. You see you need to understand that Marriage is actually created by GOD as symbolic of our relationship with Christ. He is the Bridegroom, and we COLLECTIVELY all believers male and female are the BRIDE. Therefore it is not unlawful for a husband to have multiple wives. Because this is the heavenly pattern. . .

Man are you a fool or what?

Genesis 2:24 (ASV)
24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

NO MULTIPLE WIVES ALLOWED.

Christ shall marry, HIS ASSEMBLY the HE HAS BUILT, Which makes it a singular Entity HE is Wedding.
 

Chris1975

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Man are you a fool or what?

Genesis 2:24 (ASV)
24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

NO MULTIPLE WIVES ALLOWED.

Christ shall marry, HIS ASSEMBLY the HE HAS BUILT, Which makes it a singular Entity HE is Wedding.

Deuteronomy 21

15 “If a man has two wives, one loved and the other [b]unloved, and both the loved and the unloved have born him sons, and the firstborn son belongs to the unloved wife, 16 then on the day when he wills his possessions to his sons, he cannot treat the son of his loved wife as firstborn in place of the son of the unloved wife—the [actual] firstborn.

2 Samuel 11
7 Then Nathan said to David, “You are the man! Thus says the Lord God of Israel: ‘I anointed you king over Israel, and I delivered you from the hand of Saul. 8 I gave you your master’s house and your master’s wives into your keeping, and gave you the house of Israel and Judah. And if that had been too little, I also would have given you much more! 9 Why have you despised the commandment of the Lord, to do evil in His sight?

Matthew 5

22 But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother [e]without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’[f] shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, [g]‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of [h]hell fire.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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God does the works in us and through us. "for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose." (Philip 2:13) We are a vessel that He uses and we need to be Holy & Sanctified so that we can honor Him.

David tells us in Psalm 139:16 that God has written the book of our life before we were born. Every chapter and verse. The angels only do the will of God and they help us to become the person God Created us to be. We know that God is going to accomplish His plan and purpose and all of Creation is going to be restored. The angels are watching us and writing a book of how we are living our life. The day will come when those books well be opened and people will be judged according to what they did and how they lived their life. There will be rewards and there will be people that suffer loss. They will not receive all of what they could have had. "Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done." (Rev 20:12)

We are to walk in love and love means to do no harm to others. For example I could not work in a convenience store because there is to much in there that is harmful to people.
Yes we will all recieve what we earn.

one things is true

we all have earned an eternity in hell

no one now or ever will live a life so righteous that they can earn eternity in heaven.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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According to how you reasoned this out...... it would neither be unlawful for a wife to have multiple husbands.:unsure:
There he goes excusing sin again.

God said it is UNLAWFUL for a man to hav more than one wife. He calls it adultry.

This is just another proof of how they yell and scream we love our sin, Yet when it comes down to t. It is they who love to excuse sin. It depends on how it suits them.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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This is what I am trying to understand. If Jesus was birthed inside of Mary. Then as believers He is to be spiritually birthed inside of us. When we are born again we are to take on the Mind of Christ and the Divine thoughts of God.
Yes,

But not everyone matures to being so sanctified. They really start to act like christ did. if we really study the lie of Christ. Very few christians actually totally resemble him, In fact I would say NONE do.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Man are you a fool or what?

Genesis 2:24 (ASV)
24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

NO MULTIPLE WIVES ALLOWED.

Christ shall marry, HIS ASSEMBLY the HE HAS BUILT, Which makes it a singular Entity HE is Wedding.
He is to focused on induvidualsim. Another spect of legalisticthought, Its all about me.Not about US and definitely not about THEM
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Deuteronomy 21
15 “If a man has two wives, one loved and the other [b]unloved, and both the loved and the unloved have born him sons, and the firstborn son belongs to the unloved wife, 16 then on the day when he wills his possessions to his sons, he cannot treat the son of his loved wife as firstborn in place of the son of the unloved wife—the [actual] firstborn.

2 Samuel 11
7 Then Nathan said to David, “You are the man! Thus says the Lord God of Israel: ‘I anointed you king over Israel, and I delivered you from the hand of Saul. 8 I gave you your master’s house and your master’s wives into your keeping, and gave you the house of Israel and Judah. And if that had been too little, I also would have given you much more! 9 Why have you despised the commandment of the Lord, to do evil in His sight?

Matthew 5
22 But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother [e]without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’[f] shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, [g]‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of [h]hell fire.
Yep. Lets excuse the sin of adultry, while condemning a man for having an affair with a married woman.

You can not even be straight about your own judgments.

As for the word fool. Paul called the galations fools. Guess he is in danger of hellfire!
 

Chris1975

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There he goes excusing sin again.

God said it is UNLAWFUL for a man to hav more than one wife. He calls it adultry.

This is just another proof of how they yell and scream we love our sin, Yet when it comes down to t. It is they who love to excuse sin. It depends on how it suits them.
Show me where it says its unlawful for a man to have more than one wife. Not talking about the recommendations for deacons/bishops.

Post the scripture here.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Show me where it says its unlawful for a man to have more than one wife. Not talking about the recommendations for deacons/bishops.

Post the scripture here.
1. Define adultry? and you have biblical proof
2. Jesus said a. Man and woman become one flesh. It is a picture of our relationship with God. One flesh. United in christ.


I know one thing, You ever judge another person for any particular sin. You are a hypocrite. Because her you are excusing the sin of adultry. Saying it is ok.
 

Chris1975

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Yep. Lets excuse the sin of adultry, while condemning a man for having an affair with a married woman.

You can not even be straight about your own judgments.

As for the word fool. Paul called the galations fools. Guess he is in danger of hellfire!
You don't even understand what adultery is by the look of your comments.