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JohnR7

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Because sin has blinded their eyes. They cannot see the truth until the Light begins to dawn on them.
The commentary says: " And Jacob, seeing his brother's greediness and ravenous hunger, refuses to give him food until he has parted with the high and sacred prerogative which made him the inheritor of the Divine promise."
 

NayborBear

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We certainly play a part in the maturation process. I don’t think anyone here is denying that. But maturity is knowing Jesus and consequently being made more like Him. That is the only maturity that has real value.
The "We certainly play a part in the maturation process" happens to, and to a much larger degree, then many people have "humbleness" in the readily ADMITTING to!

But, then again? I have been known to "apply more grains of SALT" to people then I should! :)
 

JohnR7

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There was also a tremendous amount of people who died in infancy and childhood at various times in history.
But not this in generation. The infant mortality rate is very low. At one time half the babies died because the doctors did not wash their hands.
 

EleventhHour

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i agree its the best weather no bugs no excessive sweating not hard to sleep because air so warm and you can go ice fishing by skiing to the lake.

fish is one of the healthiest foods but sadly today many of it contain mercury. there was the tschernobyl accident and much of the radiation came to finland also so our lakes are high in mercury
But warm weather is nice too!

I could not live where summers are really short.

We have to get used to bugs, soon we will need to eat them.. I have been told cricket flour is pretty tasty. ;)
 

Melach

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But not this in generation. The infant mortality rate is very low. At one time half the babies died because the doctors did not wash their hands.
on bright side the 50% that survived were really strong immune system.
 

Melach

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But warm weather is nice too!

I could not live where summers are really short.

We have to get used to bugs, soon we will need to eat them.. I have been told cricket flour is pretty tasty. ;)
why do we have to eat bugs? ive had some bread made from cricket flour or had some crickets in it. they advertised so i bought it. i also had some worms a somalian couple cooked. but those werent that tasty the texture was off for me but i still ate it with thanksgiving my motto is i always eat whats put in front of me. unless its like blood sausage which is specific forbidden by Jesus in revelation book and also acts 15 and to noah.

i could eat crickets. john the baptist also ate crickets. but i prefer beef and chicken.
 

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Tis one thing in "having hope!"
Tis quite another in "changing" HOPE" to "Eternal Security!"

Do you see the difference?

Eternal security in Christ is our hope.

Not by works of righteousness, Kept by the power of God.... having not our own righteousness but the righteousness of Christ which is by faith.... He shall lose nothing....
 

Melach

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ok guys i have to vent here im really frustrated im ready to break my keyboard

so there is new store here. and there is some thing called smart-cart. like shopping cart with electric thing on it and i dont know how to use a store anymore. even in the new store, all the prices are on those electronic things instead of just pieces of paper saying this costs 20,00€ this cost 5€ etc. so ridicilous im only 27 and i dont know how to do anything im behind in technology im living in an alternative universe i dont even exist.

im 27 i fell off. i dont have laptop or smart phones or ipad or macbook. ive never used smart phone or ipad or macbook in my life i promise. i own an old desktop computer with cheap mouse and keyboard and old phone with no camera but it can make cals and send text messages. im redneck i dont know how to go to store anymore i am ashamed to ask how to use those smartcarts

i cant understand it why is everything so complicated? is the devil just trying to make people look stupid. i hit my head some time ago i havent been same ever since im slow in the head so i dont like to learn new things.
i want everyone to confess if they are older than me and are typing here with smart phones or ipad or macbook. do your cities also have smart-cart shopping carts and digital prices instead of paper writing like normal. do you use these services? the smart-cart has a thing i see on youtube that you can put from your smart phone a shopping list to the smart-cart and as you walk through the store it shows you where you are in the store and where the item you are looking for is. so its like gps.

i will never use it. ever never. even out of principle i will always write down on a physical paper my grocery list and i find them in the store by myself then remember where they are for next time. thats it. no need for stupid machine telling me where to go
 

Chris1975

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O brother .. so my choices secure my salvation.
You know you work very hard at covering all the bases and straddling both lanes grace and law... why?

God is absolutely clear.. salvation a one time event.. completely secure apart from any and all works... by grace through faith... the saving faith that justifies eternally!!
Joshua 24
14 “Now therefore, fear the Lord, serve Him in sincerity and in truth, and put away the gods which your fathers served on the other side of [d]the River and in Egypt. Serve the Lord! 15 And if it seems evil to you to serve the Lord, choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of [e]the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.” 16 So the people answered and said: “Far be it from us that we should forsake the Lord to serve other gods; 17 for the Lord our God is He who brought us and our fathers up out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage, who did those great signs in our sight, and preserved us in all the way that we went and among all the people through whom we passed. 18 And the Lord drove out from before us all the people, including the Amorites who dwelt in the land. We also will serve the Lord, for He is our God.” 19 But Joshua said to the people, “You cannot serve the Lord, for He is a holy God. He is a jealous God; He will not forgive your transgressions nor your sins. 20 If you forsake the Lord and serve foreign gods, then He will turn and do you harm and consume you, after He has done you good.” 21 And the people said to Joshua, “No, but we will serve the Lord!” 22 So Joshua said to the people, “You are witnesses against yourselves that you have chosen the Lord for yourselves, to serve Him.” And they said, “We are witnesses!” 23 “Now therefore,” he said,put away the foreign gods which are among you, and incline your heart to the Lord God of Israel.” 24 And the people said to Joshua, “The Lord our God we will serve, and His voice we will obey!”
 

Chris1975

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no one says it is not.

Peter and Judas both betrayed Christ, in different ways.

Peter came back to Christ, Judas did not . and, more importantly, Jesus new what would happen.

how? well, Jesus ( and God the Father and the Holy Sprit) knows the heart.

so, Jesus knows who truly believes in Him, and who doesn't .

which is something you pushers of a losable salvation fail to realize.
You don't understand the word. Apostasy means to fall away from the faith (hint: you had to have it to then lose it)

Here, maybe read up a bit -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy
If you disagree, then you are free to update the Wikipedia page.
 

John146

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i want everyone to confess if they are older than me and are typing here with smart phones or ipad or macbook. do your cities also have smart-cart shopping carts and digital prices instead of paper writing like normal. do you use these services? the smart-cart has a thing i see on youtube that you can put from your smart phone a shopping list to the smart-cart and as you walk through the store it shows you where you are in the store and where the item you are looking for is. so its like gps.

i will never use it. ever never. even out of principle i will always write down on a physical paper my grocery list and i find them in the store by myself then remember where they are for next time. thats it. no need for stupid machine telling me where to go
I would add, never give up your physical Bible for a phone or iPad.
 

Chris1975

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So Eleventh Hour.....is this passage I post below contained in the scriptures or not?

12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. 13 And do not present your members as [d]instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.
Reminder Nr 3
 

EleventhHour

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Joshua 24
14 “Now therefore, fear the Lord, serve Him in sincerity and in truth, and put away the gods which your fathers served on the other side of [d]the River and in Egypt. Serve the Lord! 15 And if it seems evil to you to serve the Lord, choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of [e]the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.” 16 So the people answered and said: “Far be it from us that we should forsake the Lord to serve other gods; 17 for the Lord our God is He who brought us and our fathers up out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage, who did those great signs in our sight, and preserved us in all the way that we went and among all the people through whom we passed. 18 And the Lord drove out from before us all the people, including the Amorites who dwelt in the land. We also will serve the Lord, for He is our God.” 19 But Joshua said to the people, “You cannot serve the Lord, for He is a holy God. He is a jealous God; He will not forgive your transgressions nor your sins. 20 If you forsake the Lord and serve foreign gods, then He will turn and do you harm and consume you, after He has done you good.” 21 And the people said to Joshua, “No, but we will serve the Lord!” 22 So Joshua said to the people, “You are witnesses against yourselves that you have chosen the Lord for yourselves, to serve Him.” And they said, “We are witnesses!” 23 “Now therefore,” he said,put away the foreign gods which are among you, and incline your heart to the Lord God of Israel.” 24 And the people said to Joshua, “The Lord our God we will serve, and His voice we will obey!”
This does not support your claim that saving faith stretches over a lifetime.
 

Chris1975

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APOSTASY

Galatians 5
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. 2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. 3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law. 4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. 5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

So here are the questions to those who deny the apostasy is a real risk to be aware of (for true believers).

1) Those mentioned above were in liberty (v1) - Are these Christians?
2) These same people are warned not to be entangled again. (v1) - Can they be found in slavery once again?
3) The consequence is estrangement from Christ (v4) - How do you become estranged if you were not in union?
4) The fall from Grace (v4) - To those who claim Grace cannot be lost, how then does the bible say that it is lost here?
 

BillG

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Hi everyone.

Not been well over Christmas nor my wife.

Wasn't going into work today as still struggling.

But I had to go in.

One of my employees died last night. It was sudden.
I had to go in and break this news to the rest of the employees.

My company is not big but I have tried to install realational aspect.

I was sat in my car for an hour waiting for clients to leave so I could go in and break this news.

As I was sat in my car I asked God how do I break this news.
Funeral like or not.

Anyway I did break the news.
Matter of fact. And it was hard.

This lady has left a husband and a 4 year old son.
Heartbreak to know that the husband had to tell his son that mum is not coming home.

The only prayers I could offer up was "God in this situation can you please break in"

Can you all on here pray the same.

Maybe just step back from a post here and post a prayer to our Father.
For those left behind and that somehow God will work in this.
 

EleventhHour

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Hi everyone.

Not been well over Christmas nor my wife.

Wasn't going into work today as still struggling.

But I had to go in.

One of my employees died last night. It was sudden.
I had to go in and break this news to the rest of the employees.

My company is not big but I have tried to install realational aspect.

I was sat in my car for an hour waiting for clients to leave so I could go in and break this news.

As I was sat in my car I asked God how do I break this news.
Funeral like or not.

Anyway I did break the news.
Matter of fact. And it was hard.

This lady has left a husband and a 4 year old son.
Heartbreak to know that the husband had to tell his son that mum is not coming home.

The only prayers I could offer up was "God in this situation can you please break in"

Can you all on here pray the same.

Maybe just step back from a post here and post a prayer to our Father.
For those left behind and that somehow God will work in this.
Very sad ...lifting this family up in prayer.