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The Bible says I am sealed by the spirit until the day of redemption 3 times
I can not find where it says I am sealed as long as I remain obedient as that would contradict the other three passages
fact is God requires perfection. When it comes to our standing when we face him. Perfection is the only thing he will accept

if we are not perfect. The only other option is Christ and his righteousness
The Holy Spirit is the Seal. Obedience is evidence of the Seal.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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The Holy Spirit is the Seal. Obedience is evidence of the Seal.
It still says I am sealed until the day of redemption
obedience has no say in the matter
obedience is a byproduct of being born if God. Not a requirement
people want to add obedience as a requirement making salvation based on works not based on grace. And not come to understand gods people do obey. They just are not all superchristians. Some remain babes. But are saved all the same
 
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Eph 2:10
For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

Phil 2:13-16
for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose. Do everything without complaining or arguing, so that you may become blameless and pure, children of God without fault in a crooked and depraved generation, in which you shine like stars in the universe as you hold out the word of life--in order that I may boast on the day of Christ that I did not run or labour for nothing.

As Gods workmanship, we are holy, righteous, pure and blameless, shinning lights beaming out in a world of sin
 

Chris1975

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ah, I should have realized this long ago-

you do not properly define sin, you just think that ' I do not get drunk, chase women, watch porn , cuss, etc.." therefore , i do not sin.

tell you what, study what sin is, then get back to me.

start here- " to him who knows to do good, and does not do so, to him it is sin"
I answered your question. Then I asked you a question. Are you just glancing over? Are you stuck in repetitive vices? When you come back truthfully, we go on...
 

Chris1975

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Genesis 4
6 So the Lord said to Cain, “Why are you angry? And why has your countenance fallen? 7 If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin lies at the door. And its desire is [d]for you, but you should rule over it.

>this has been procured at the CROSS
>but you don't believe it
>because you have no faith in Christ, but rather faith in your flesh ruling over you.
 

Melach

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You can’t use Adam as an example
Adam was perfect and earned his relationship with God. Until he fell
after he fell he was in same boat we all ate unable to earn anything but hell
not surprised "hewillcome2040" is wrong on this as well. he is a false prophet making fake predictions and date setting and calling Jesus a liar in his little thread he started.

there are so many of them. i believe internet is really terrible for christianity. all the crazy people get a platform. it was harder before internet to get a following and attention now all these online ministeries all you need is a fancy website or youtube page and people will come to you. but if you were in a street corner with sign sayin Jesus returns 2040 people will just say oh its another crazy person pay him no mind. and they would be right with this wolf here

am i only one who notice heresy seems to addon and pile up more? once you embrace one deception more will come
 
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So is this a yes or no? Was the question to hard?
Salvation? Baptism? Big subjects, not answered with one word. Do you agree with the scripture I quoted?

1 Thess 3:13
May he strengthen your hearts so that you will be blameless and holy in the presence of our God and Father when our Lord Jesus comes with all his holy ones

Rom 10:10
For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.
 
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No. Adam was spiritually alive. In perfect right standing. When he sinned he died and needed born again. As we all do
Yes, Adam was in right standing until unrighteousness was found in him. And a judgment was passed upon him condemning the body of Adam which meant all his seed were condemned.
 

DeighAnn

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No I don't believe in the doctrine of OSAS either.
Look at Adam, he believed God until he didn't believe God and took of the forbidden fruit. Had he stayed in belief then he would never have fallen out of God's Grace.
Genesis 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Genesis 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life

He disobeyed a command of God. Is that the same as losing faith? Or not believing?
 

gb9

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I answered your question. Then I asked you a question. Are you just glancing over? Are you stuck in repetitive vices? When you come back truthfully, we go on...
o.k, so do you want to talk about certain vices, which can and should be repented of, or sin in general??



they are separate conversations.

when you do your sin study ( and boy you need to ), you will see this.
 

Lightskin

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I feel as if the devil is putting that sin on believers and causes them to believe they have commited it to make them lose hope. That happened to me. I never thought anything negative about the Holy Spirit, but then when I heard certain preachers harp on the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit and how it is never forgiven and how you should not think about that. I just found myself thinking "DO NOT THINK IT, DO NOT THINK IT, DO NOT THINK IT" and almost as if out of thin air some blasphemous thoughts came to my mind.

They were put there by that Pastor who talked about it so much so that I became obsessed about it. This is not something recent and I have gotten over it and do not have those thoughts anymore, but I did during that time listening to that person.
I attended a congregation for about a year where the pastor was truly a wonderful, fervent man of God. He helped me at my lowest point in life. The one problem I had though is that he constantly talked about the enemy.

The devil this, the devil that, all the time he talked about the enemy. So one day I was hammering a nail and smashed my finger with the hammer. I immediately thought that was the Devil that did that. I quickly realized that’s not the case at all, I simply hit my finger with the hammer.

I needed to leave that congregation to seek one where Jesus was the focus. Words are powerful for sure.
 
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not surprised "hewillcome2040" is wrong on this as well. he is a false prophet making fake predictions and date setting and calling Jesus a liar in his little thread he started.

there are so many of them. i believe internet is really terrible for christianity. all the crazy people get a platform. it was harder before internet to get a following and attention now all these online ministeries all you need is a fancy website or youtube page and people will come to you. but if you were in a street corner with sign sayin Jesus returns 2040 people will just say oh its another crazy person pay him no mind. and they would be right with this wolf here

am i only one who notice heresy seems to addon and pile up more? once you embrace one deception more will come
What thread?
 
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Salvation? Baptism? Big subjects, not answered with one word. Do you agree with the scripture I quoted?

1 Thess 3:13
May he strengthen your hearts so that you will be blameless and holy in the presence of our God and Father when our Lord Jesus comes with all his holy ones

Rom 10:10
For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.
Yes it can be answered with one word
are we saved by water baptism or Holy Spirit baptism
if it is water than your answer is yed
if spirit. Your answer is no

very simple

I believe in all scripture. I may not agree with your interpretation is certain scripture that is what I also am trying to understand so I can say yes I agree or no I do not (with your interpretation)
 
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Yes, Adam was in right standing until unrighteousness was found in him. And a judgment was passed upon him condemning the body of Adam which meant all his seed were condemned.
His spirit was judged to. It’s called spiritual death

From that point forward Adam could no
longer earn his right standing with God
 
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Yes it can be answered with one word
are we saved by water baptism or Holy Spirit baptism
if it is water than your answer is yed
if spirit. Your answer is no

very simple

I believe in all scripture. I may not agree with your interpretation is certain scripture that is what I also am trying to understand so I can say yes I agree or no I do not (with your interpretation)
Are we saved by water baptism or Holy Spirit baptism?

Acts 19:3-5
So Paul asked, "Then what baptism did you receive?John's baptism," they replied.
Paul said, "John's baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus."
On hearing this, they were baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus.

Salvation is through Jesus. So neither water nor the Holy Spirit save.
Expressing scripture and our views of its meaning is encouraging. You seem to be wanting something else, what is that?

You said, "yes it can be answered with one word". I hope I have shown this is simply not true.
 

VCO

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Name just one Christian who’s blasphemed the Holy Spirit.

Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, is in the mind of man, when they think the miracles HE DID, were probably of the Devil. Sadly they REJECT, what the Holy Spirit is trying to get them to BELIEVE IN THERE Heart (Human Spirit), which it is also a form of the Blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

THEREFORE I can NAME A Multitude of people that refers to. I DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU CALL BLASPHEMING THE HOLY SPIRIT, but this is going to be a good one. Do you even know that BLASPHEMING can be NONE VERBAL? Rejecting the LORD, is the most common blaspheming the Holy Spirit, as YOU HAVE JUST committed BLASPHEMY against the WORK of the Holy Spirit.
 

NayborBear

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Name just one Christian who’s blasphemed the Holy Spirit.
Such a rather "odd" question isn't it?

If there were a "christian" who blasphemed the Holy Spirit?

That christian would not BE a christian!

Or, perhaps the asker of said question thinks I am as moronic as the asker?

Which begs the question. Who the heck are you!

And, what did you do with Lightskin, eh?

Fallen angels entertaining unbeknownst by the flesh?
 

Chris1975

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Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, is in the mind of man, when they think the miracles HE DID, were probably of the Devil. Sadly they REJECT, what the Holy Spirit is trying to get them to BELIEVE IN THERE Heart (Human Spirit), which it is also a form of the Blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

THEREFORE I can NAME A Multitude of people that refers to. I DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU CALL BLASPHEMING THE HOLY SPIRIT, but this is going to be a good one. Do you even know that BLASPHEMING can be NONE VERBAL? Rejecting the LORD, is the most common blaspheming the Holy Spirit, as YOU HAVE JUST committed BLASPHEMY against the WORK of the Holy Spirit.
OSAS have a real problem with this one. According to OSAS doctrine of NEVER EVER BEING POSSIBLE TO LOSE YOUR SALVATION, you could blaspheme the Holy Spirit after you are saved and still have no consequences. Even though the Lord says there is no forgiveness for the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. OSASSERS, how about giving this one an explanation.
 
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Are we saved by water baptism or Holy Spirit baptism?

Acts 19:3-5
So Paul asked, "Then what baptism did you receive?John's baptism," they replied.
Paul said, "John's baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus."
On hearing this, they were baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus.

Salvation is through Jesus. So neither water nor the Holy Spirit save.
Expressing scripture and our views of its meaning is encouraging. You seem to be wanting something else, what is that?

You said, "yes it can be answered with one word". I hope I have shown this is simply not true.
Do you want to discuss this or not?

fact is water baptism will get you wet. And is a command of God. But has no salvation significance. We obey this command for same reason we obey any command we trust God


however. HS baptism saves (rom 6, 1 cor 12, Col 2, with Titus 3:5) among other

if we are not immersed (baptized) by God unto the cross we are not saved. Whether we got water baptized or no

Paul says there is on baptism along with one faith

one saves one does not