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Well? Mebbe therein lies your problems and troubles!
You "defend", when you should be CON-TENDING!, eh?
But, Oh! That's right!
In order to be able to Con-Tend FOR "the faith!" (even the faith "tares" and "tare planters", have taken away
within yourself)
You have to have Knowledge!
But, acquiring "knowledge", takes "works"
, in the "spiritual sacrifices" acceptable to God BY Jesus Christ. Wouldn't it?
Knowledge you and yer OSAS'er buddies claim that God's grace is BETTER than "knowledge!"
Which would "place" you?....Just about HERE!:
Isaiah 28
15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
So, when one comes with "knowledge", and contends?
He "sees" THIS!:
Isaiah 28
20 For the bed is shorter than that a man can stretch himself on it: and the covering narrower than that he can wrap himself in it.
It comes across as mocking and scoffing, upon realizing the size of the short bed, and narrow covers!
In N.T. terminology? Is referred to as "GOSPEL ARMOUR!"
Or more correctly? The LACK of "Gospel Armour!"
See how one can take O.T. terms and relate them to N.T. teachings?
Oughta try that!
May just put you on the "offensive" side of the faith, as opposed to always having to defend the faith!
If, or until then? You can "call" me anything you wish!
I'll not answer to being called collect, however!
You "defend", when you should be CON-TENDING!, eh?
But, Oh! That's right!
In order to be able to Con-Tend FOR "the faith!" (even the faith "tares" and "tare planters", have taken away
within yourself)
You have to have Knowledge!
But, acquiring "knowledge", takes "works"
, in the "spiritual sacrifices" acceptable to God BY Jesus Christ. Wouldn't it?Knowledge you and yer OSAS'er buddies claim that God's grace is BETTER than "knowledge!"
Which would "place" you?....Just about HERE!:
Isaiah 28
15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
So, when one comes with "knowledge", and contends?
He "sees" THIS!:
Isaiah 28
20 For the bed is shorter than that a man can stretch himself on it: and the covering narrower than that he can wrap himself in it.
It comes across as mocking and scoffing, upon realizing the size of the short bed, and narrow covers!
In N.T. terminology? Is referred to as "GOSPEL ARMOUR!"
Or more correctly? The LACK of "Gospel Armour!"
See how one can take O.T. terms and relate them to N.T. teachings?
Oughta try that!
May just put you on the "offensive" side of the faith, as opposed to always having to defend the faith!
If, or until then? You can "call" me anything you wish!
I'll not answer to being called collect, however!
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Well? Mebbe therein lies your problems and troubles!
You "defend", when you should be CON-TENDING!, eh?
But, Oh! That's right!
In order to be able to Con-Tend FOR "the faith!" (even the faith "tares" and "tare planters", have taken away
within yourself)
You have to have Knowledge!
But, acquiring "knowledge", takes "works", in the "spiritual sacrifices" acceptable to God BY Jesus Christ. Wouldn't it?
Knowledge you and yer OSAS'er buddies claim that God's grace is BETTER than "knowledge!"
Which would "place" you?....Just about HERE!:
Isaiah 28
15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
So, when one comes with "knowledge", and contends?
He "sees" THIS!:
Isaiah 28
20 For the bed is shorter than that a man can stretch himself on it: and the covering narrower than that he can wrap himself in it.
It comes across as mocking and scoffing, upon realizing the size of the short bed, and narrow covers!
In N.T. terminology? Is referred to as "GOSPEL ARMOUR!"
Or more correctly? The LACK of "Gospel Armour!"
See how one can take O.T. terms and relate them to N.T. teachings?
Oughta try that!
May just put you on the "offensive" side of the faith, as opposed to always having to defend the faith!
If, or until then? You can "call" me anything you wish!
I'll not answer to being called collect, however!
You "defend", when you should be CON-TENDING!, eh?
But, Oh! That's right!
In order to be able to Con-Tend FOR "the faith!" (even the faith "tares" and "tare planters", have taken away
within yourself)
You have to have Knowledge!
But, acquiring "knowledge", takes "works"
, in the "spiritual sacrifices" acceptable to God BY Jesus Christ. Wouldn't it?Knowledge you and yer OSAS'er buddies claim that God's grace is BETTER than "knowledge!"
Which would "place" you?....Just about HERE!:
Isaiah 28
15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
So, when one comes with "knowledge", and contends?
He "sees" THIS!:
Isaiah 28
20 For the bed is shorter than that a man can stretch himself on it: and the covering narrower than that he can wrap himself in it.
It comes across as mocking and scoffing, upon realizing the size of the short bed, and narrow covers!
In N.T. terminology? Is referred to as "GOSPEL ARMOUR!"
Or more correctly? The LACK of "Gospel Armour!"
See how one can take O.T. terms and relate them to N.T. teachings?
Oughta try that!
May just put you on the "offensive" side of the faith, as opposed to always having to defend the faith!
If, or until then? You can "call" me anything you wish!
I'll not answer to being called collect, however!
Go bother someone else.
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Guys (and gals), I'm not gonna take the time to dig through the past 10 pages of posts to figure out who started this latest bit of rudeness, etc. It is sad to me that supposed adult Christians can't seem to interact without resorting to juvenile tactics in their discussions.
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1. 1 John 5:13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.
2. John 3:15-16 that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him. For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
3. John 5:24 I assure you: Anyone who hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life and will not come under judgment but has passed from death to life.
2. John 3:15-16 that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him. For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
3. John 5:24 I assure you: Anyone who hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life and will not come under judgment but has passed from death to life.
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Parable of talents summary Matt 25:14-30
A man....called his servants and entrusted his property to them. v15
master of those servants returned and settled accounts with them. v19
One talent man buried his talent. Criticized for being "lazy" v24
Minimum put it in a bank, but failed. v27
The issue is not getting the talent to grow, to become something more.
The whole parable is about investing and working, not about believing.
So I fail to see how you can interpret judgement fell because of lack of faith.
But if you can explain how, I am all ears.
Is your interpretation to merely say non-believers are the only ones judged, therefore he must be an non-believer?
Jesus seems clear, you know what you have has value, so put it to work.
Of course some believers may deny the value of what Jesus has given us, so fall under judgement, but then surely that should encourage us all to value and work with the blessing Jesus has given us. Could any of the elect truly behave like this?
A man....called his servants and entrusted his property to them. v15
master of those servants returned and settled accounts with them. v19
One talent man buried his talent. Criticized for being "lazy" v24
Minimum put it in a bank, but failed. v27
The issue is not getting the talent to grow, to become something more.
The whole parable is about investing and working, not about believing.
So I fail to see how you can interpret judgement fell because of lack of faith.
But if you can explain how, I am all ears.
Is your interpretation to merely say non-believers are the only ones judged, therefore he must be an non-believer?
Jesus seems clear, you know what you have has value, so put it to work.
Of course some believers may deny the value of what Jesus has given us, so fall under judgement, but then surely that should encourage us all to value and work with the blessing Jesus has given us. Could any of the elect truly behave like this?
The eternal security view, suggests those not truly saved will never be, false believers, so why share or give them hope?
1 Thessalonians 5:11
Therefore encourage one another and build each other up, just as in fact you are doing.
While there is still light, there is always hope.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
2 Timothy 2:25-26
Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will
1 Thessalonians 5:11
Therefore encourage one another and build each other up, just as in fact you are doing.
While there is still light, there is always hope.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
2 Timothy 2:25-26
Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will
Well considering we spend so much time talking about the basics of salvation, I can see why this would be a natural answer for you (and for most people). But that's a reason based on self-focus. I don't take away from the fact that it is incredibly important, but there is a better answer.
Romans 12
12 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service. 2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
This is a better reason for being born again. The fellowship that God had with Adam and Eve in the garden before the fall is a better reason for us to be born again. Its relationship, honour and worship, love and servitude.
Getting out of Jail Free Card is merely a benefit (yes an important one, nevertheless).
Romans 12
12 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service. 2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
This is a better reason for being born again. The fellowship that God had with Adam and Eve in the garden before the fall is a better reason for us to be born again. Its relationship, honour and worship, love and servitude.
Getting out of Jail Free Card is merely a benefit (yes an important one, nevertheless).
It would be worn out completely........and the hilariously sad truth....ignorance or ignorant is not an offensive word when used in context.....as easily as some of the people are offended...they will fold in a New York second when the crap really hits the proverbial fan...just wait till they start jailing us and executing us for the cause of Christ...these working for salvation losers with no real root will sell out like a sale at Walmart on computers on black Friday.
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The talents represent monetary value and are distibuted according to ability (vs. 15). The requirement is to invest in Christ. The first two servants deposited their money with the bankers (Matthew 25:27) but the third servant buried his money in the ground (vs. 25). The third servant had been given a talent and had the opportunity to believe and bear fruit in accordance, but had chosen to reject it.
The fact that the latter man in this parable is called "wicked" and "lazy" and "unprofitable" servant (Matthew 25:30) who is cast out into outer darkness, certainly indicates that he was not a true disciple of the master. The idea of this illustrative parable is that all true believers will produce fruit in varying degress. All believers are fruitful, but not all are equally fruitful (Matthew 13:23). Those who produce no results are not truly converted.
This man's characterization of the master maligns him as "reaping and gathering" what he had no right to claim as his own. This lazy so-called servant does not represent a genuine believer, for it's obvious he had no true knowledge of the master. Two of these servants were children of God, but not the third. Children of God are not cast out into outer darkness.
The fact that he is called a "servant" does not necessarily mean that he was saved. The children of Israel were called "servants" but they were not all saved.
Leviticus 25:55 - For the children of Israel are servants to Me; they are My servants whom I brought out of the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.
Isaiah 43:10 - “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, And My servant whom I have chosen.. This is where we need to rightly divide the word of truth.
The fact that the latter man in this parable is called "wicked" and "lazy" and "unprofitable" servant (Matthew 25:30) who is cast out into outer darkness, certainly indicates that he was not a true disciple of the master. The idea of this illustrative parable is that all true believers will produce fruit in varying degress. All believers are fruitful, but not all are equally fruitful (Matthew 13:23). Those who produce no results are not truly converted.
This man's characterization of the master maligns him as "reaping and gathering" what he had no right to claim as his own. This lazy so-called servant does not represent a genuine believer, for it's obvious he had no true knowledge of the master. Two of these servants were children of God, but not the third. Children of God are not cast out into outer darkness.
The fact that he is called a "servant" does not necessarily mean that he was saved. The children of Israel were called "servants" but they were not all saved.
Leviticus 25:55 - For the children of Israel are servants to Me; they are My servants whom I brought out of the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.
Isaiah 43:10 - “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, And My servant whom I have chosen.. This is where we need to rightly divide the word of truth.
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Your quote was.....and I said...SHOW ONE VERSE in the bible that states HE BELIEVES and wants to be saved, but can't.
bud62 said:
Satan believe & he want be saved . & can't be .
bud62 said:
Satan believe & he want be saved . & can't be .
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The only thing you got right was the LAST line........and like I said...by what you post YOU do not UNDERSTAND John's ministry and or the fact it was PRE-NEW COVENANT LAST PROPHET representing the LAW and the PROPHETS.......
HIS water IMMERSION washed NO SIN away and had NO bearing on SALVATION!
HIS water IMMERSION washed NO SIN away and had NO bearing on SALVATION!
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