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Since he does save eternally, you have agreed salvation is secure.:)
I have always said that, with the proviso that we do not fail Him, and we do as Paul says and continue to the end.

Your cult admits none of that.
 

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thanks you know that ive been looking at that classical songs ive found so many from there that are uplifting. i like it. i will only listen to it now to detox from evil music that i was listening to before

its absolute truth that classical music requires most talent to make especially big orchestra you need so much synergy there. rap can be just someone with no vocal ability mumbling to microphone with autotune on a standard beat.
You are welcome.

You know I do have some familiarity with rap, Tupac and Notorious B.I.G and a few others .. brilliant in their own way but definitely filled with a lot of angst.

I think picking the best from different genres is best.

I love Motown if it comes on while I am shopping ....I have been know to dance in the aisles... what the heck you only live once!! :D
 

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I have always said that, with the proviso that we do not fail Him, and we do as Paul says and continue to the end.

Your cult admits none of that.
There are no provisos .... saved is saved and He is able to keep those that are His.
 

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When CC, or the OP @dcontroversal tells me to go away then I will go.... until then "I will be around"

Which brings to mind a Motown song by the Spinners @Melach do you know it?
Put me on ignore. I would like that. The same for your friends. You have no inkling of how I feel and you wouldn't want to know.
 

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Everything you stand for is contrary to the teaching of Paul and scripture generally and you take the word Grace out of context.

Be Gone.
 

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Everything you stand for is contrary to the teaching of Paul and scripture generally and you take the word Grace out of context.

Be Gone.
Why do you come to this thread.

I actually think that if you are upset it is because you are coming under conviction....we only want you to come to a true understanding of the Gospel.... we each have our style and we each defend truth differently but at the end of the day we all want true salvation that is eternal for you.
 

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Why do you come to this thread.

I actually think that if you are upset it is because you are coming under conviction....we only want you to come to a true understanding of the Gospel.... we each have our style and we each defend truth differently but at the end of the day we all want true salvation that is eternal for you.
Do not be silly, your religion is as silly as what you have just said.

GO AWAY AND LEAVE ME ALONE. Do you not listen to anything you are told.
 
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Everything you stand for is contrary to the teaching of Paul and scripture generally and you take the word Grace out of context.

Be Gone.
why don’t you be gone

you come attack people who believe in grace, you mock us, you belittle us, and whoever does not agree with you you just go on and on and on.
 
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Do not be silly, your religion is as silly as what you have just said.

GO AWAY AND LEAVE ME ALONE. Do you not listen to anything you are told.
You don’t so what should anyone listen to you?

this is not your thread, you don’t like it, YOU GO AWAY!
 

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You don’t so what should anyone listen to you?

this is not your thread, you don’t like it, YOU GO AWAY!
You know what. You are a bunch of bullies and I cannot see an ounce of Christian grace anywhere.

Please stop attacking me, all of you.
 

EleventhHour

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You know what. You are a bunch of bullies and I cannot see an ounce of Christian grace anywhere.

Please stop attacking me, all of you.
Are you really sure about that?
Do you think it has been only one sided?

We would not defend truth if we did not care.
 
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I'm in love with Jesus and his own. You are not one of us.
Just... stop it!
We are not any better than each other. I'm not greater or better than you or vice versa.

Christ saves completely, and to the uttermost.
That guy over there, and this guy over here, by not looking at our sin.
He just asks us to trust in Him.

Let's agree that we all need a Saviour, and His mercy, forgivness, and love....
and let's all agree about this...

2 Corinthians 5:17-19
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 18And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; 19To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
 

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Just... stop it!
We are not any better than each other. I'm not greater or better than you or vice versa.

Christ saves completely, and to the uttermost.
That guy over there, and this guy over here, by not looking at our sin.
He just asks us to trust in Him.

Let's agree that we all need a Saviour, and His mercy, forgivness, and love....
and let's all agree about this...

2 Corinthians 5:17-19
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 18And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; 19To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Once Saved Always Saved is not scriptural. The apostle Paul warns Timothy about the dangers of making a shipwreck of his faith. (I Timothy 1:18-19)

In Hebrews 3:12-14 Christians are warned about the dangers of departing from the living God.

Hebrews 12:25 warns about turning away from the one who speaks from heaven!

II Peter 3:17 warns us about the dangers of being led away with the error of the wicked.

Heb 10:38 tells us "if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him."

Pro 14:14 The backslider in heart will be filled with the fruit of his ways, and a good man will be filled with the fruit of his ways.

Jer 14:7 "our backslidings are many; we have sinned against you.

Hos 11:7 My people are bent on turning away from me, and though they call out to the Most High, he shall not raise them up at all.

Luk 9:62 Jesus said to him: No man putting his hand to the plough and looking back is fit for the kingdom of God.

Heb 10:38 but my righteous one shall live by faith, and if he shrinks back, my soul has no pleasure in him."

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,

2Ti 4:3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.

Heb 3:12 Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God.

2Pe 3:17 And so, dear friends, since you already know these things, continually be on your guard not to be carried away by the deception of lawless people. Otherwise, you may fall from your secure position.

Hebrews 6:4 “It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.”

There are many more but these people are so not Bible based, that they shrug their shoulders, turn away, say it cannot happen and deny it all.
 

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I have always said that, with the proviso that we do not fail Him, and we do as Paul says and continue to the end.

Your cult admits none of that.
You do not believe in eternal life, but rather a self maintained losable salvation....and make no mistake......and your last line was moronic!