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EleventhHour

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You are defending a falsehood.
Do you really prefer an insecure position with a fickle God, over the one true able God, who is able to save completely based on His finished work.

How does that make any sense to the rational mind :unsure:
 

PS

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When you start making comments like the misuse of God``s Grace that tells me you, not God, have problem with, or lack of understanding of the justice, grace and mercy of God, who was able to give salvation as free gift completely apart from any merit.
God's grace does not allow people to go off the rails, without consequences.
 

PS

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Do you really prefer an insecure position with a fickle God, over the one true able God, who is able to save completely based on His finished work.

How does that make any sense to the rational mind :unsure:
God is true.

Good night.
 

EleventhHour

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God is true.

Good night.

He is indeed and He does not fail.

His plan of salvation does not allow for any failures, He declares the person innocent based on the work of the Son, and He imputes righteousness to the believer, and innocent person cannot be found guilty again when all crimes have been paid for... once paid cannot be put on a person's account again.

Come to a better understanding of justified that might help.

Scripture....chew on these....

Romans 8:30
and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.

Romans 5:1-2
Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand; and we exult in hope of the glory of God.
 

dcontroversal

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Show us from scripture instead of throwing insults around.
Like @eternally-gratefull has said....we all have and you do not listen, argue, twist and hypocritically accuse us of peddling a live as you please and sin like the devil because we RIGHTFULLY believe in eternal security.....

You are a joke man.....you regularily deny context, the definitions of words, truth, and the simplicity found in Jesus....

The bible teaches eternal security and GOD WHIPS SONS for sin and disobedience....he does not cast them away and for sure JESUS finishes and completes the work of faith in US....
 

dcontroversal

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God's grace does not allow people to go off the rails, without consequences.
You still do not grasp the essence of GRACE and that a SAVED child of GOD IS POSITIONED IN GRACE.....GOD CHASTENS he does NOT CAST AWAY.....geese man....look up the verbiage and embrace truth.

Where sin abounds <- GRACE ABOUNDS THE MORE and this is WRITTEN TO BELIEVERS that are saved, immersed and IDENTIFIED with a true N.T. Church!
 

PS

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He is indeed and He does not fail.

His plan of salvation does not allow for any failures, He declares the person innocent based on the work of the Son, and He imputes righteousness to the believer, and innocent person cannot be found guilty again when all crimes have been paid for... once paid cannot be put on a person's account again.

Come to a better understanding of justified that might help.

Scripture....chew on these....

Romans 8:30
and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.

Romans 5:1-2
Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand; and we exult in hope of the glory of God.
Spoken to the saints, from whom you have much to learn.
 

PS

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Like @eternally-gratefull has said....we all have and you do not listen, argue, twist and hypocritically accuse us of peddling a live as you please and sin like the devil because we RIGHTFULLY believe in eternal security.....

You are a joke man.....you regularily deny context, the definitions of words, truth, and the simplicity found in Jesus....

The bible teaches eternal security and GOD WHIPS SONS for sin and disobedience....he does not cast them away and for sure JESUS finishes and completes the work of faith in US....
All I ever get from you is insults.
 

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dcontroversal

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Say something worthwhile.
Jesus saves eternally by faith, he finishes and completes faitg in us and he never leaves us or forsakes us and NO SIN will cause the loss of salvation. He whips he dies not cast away!

Now....embrace the above truths and actually trust Jesus!!
 

PS

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Jesus saves eternally by faith, he finishes and completes faitg in us and he never leaves us or forsakes us and NO SIN will cause the loss of salvation. He whips he dies not cast away!

Now....embrace the above truths and actually trust Jesus!!
Jesus does indeed save eternally, even those in error.
 

Melach

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He was making a joke...tongue in cheek.. @Melach does that a lot.
thanks you know that ive been looking at that classical songs ive found so many from there that are uplifting. i like it. i will only listen to it now to detox from evil music that i was listening to before

its absolute truth that classical music requires most talent to make especially big orchestra you need so much synergy there. rap can be just someone with no vocal ability mumbling to microphone with autotune on a standard beat.

maybe my IQ will rise above my shoe size soon