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Well-known member
Aug 3, 2019
This is my answer: Matthew 12:31 New King James Version (NKJV) The Unpardonable Sin 31 “Therefore I say to you, EVERY sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. Jesus' Blood removes ALL sin from the born again believer.
Thanks for sharing.
Now answer mine before asking me another.
Are you askin me or tellin me?


Yes, I was referring to both 12 and 13, showing that since the context of 12 is spiritual life and 13 is a continuation of the same context, 13 must refer to spiritual life, as well.
I know whatever I write will not change your mind.

But is very clear that Jesus is not referencing anyone loosing their salvation in verse 12... He is describing what people will be like at that time.

You are basically stating that endurance makes us worthy of salvation... that is wrong and completely contrary to the efficacy of the cross to save a believer to the uttermost despite our failures.

Again adding to scripture.... this is called eisegesis


Senior Member
Apr 7, 2014
It’s a two way street. I’ve heard people on the NOSAS side say that OSAS is of the devil and accuse OSAS believers of promoting a license to sin and being blinded by the god of this world and being ignorant and stubborn and not understanding the depth of wickedness they dwell in. :(
Add another one to the list. :(

OSAS is a doctrine of satan. And all who follow and teach it are of Satan and His legion
That judgment call is well above your pay grade and was uncalled for. You just condemned ALL OSAS believers, which is very telling. :cautious:


Senior Member
Apr 22, 2013
Why must we be childish and report and ignore others. Is it NOT God that see the heart and is our final judge?
I love the Father,Jesus and the Holy Ghost. I am born again from above!
Hmm.... Guess we should have NO rules here at all? Would it be ok to throw F-bombs and threaten people too?

Cause you obviously think calling some a child of the devil is just fine.


Senior Member
Oct 14, 2013
While you may not cast it as such, the manner that OSAS is presented paints the picture that obedience is not required. And like many doctrine of men verses aplenty are brought out as proof texts but actual discussion of the Scripture is scant. It's shotgun theology, and what you're presenting here goes deeper than a simple declaration of security. There are far too many threads in your post for me to pull on any one, but it's ringing of typical reformed distortion of God's justice into a farce.

You are spreading a LIE, about OSAS TRUE FAITH. We Teach OBEDIENCE, as BEING PART OF AGAPE LOVE. It is not part of SALVATION. That Obedience is something that happens AFTER WE ARE SAVED. SALVATION HAPPENS before the beginning of time, as GOD's OMNISCIENCE is even includes knowledge that KNOWS EVERY DECISION YOU WILL MAKE IN YOUR ENTIRE LIFE, therefore HE WROTE OUR NAMES in the BOOK OF LIFE Before the Foundation of the Earth. HE gave the free gift to us Spiritually before the Beginning of Time, and the WE receive IT in our Human Spirit the very moment we FIRST GENUINELY BELIEVE, Trusting HIM TOTALLY AS LORD, and it is when we were first Born Again Spiritually. AND INSTANTLY OUR NEW BORN HUMAN SPIRIT HAS ETERNAL LIFE. SALVATION ONLY APPLIES TO OUR HUMAN SPIRIT. SANCTIFICATION is a SEPARATE EVENT, and IT APPLIES TO OUR BODY separate from SALVATION. It is a Process where the AGAPE LOVE, that GOD POURED INTO the OUR HUMAN SPIRIT, Rom. 5:5; and it WILL come out of us in our DEEDS, of Agape LOVING GOD, and Others. OBEDIENCE is Part of AGAPE LOVE, and it will influence our SANCTIFICATION.

2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.

We believe that verse LITERALLY.

So now you should see that LIE, you have been spreading is NOTHING BUT A LIE!

What does GOD THINK of People Who Spread LIES ? ? ? IT IS BAD FRUIT, and IS NOT FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT, listed in GAL. 5:22-23.

And I doubt if you have ever TRULY Been Born Again.
Your confusion of SOUND DOCTRINE, seems to verify that this verse applies to you:

1 Corinthians 2:12-14 (NIV)
12 We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.
13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.
14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.


Well-known member
Aug 3, 2019
Hmm.... Guess we should have NO rules here at all? Would it be ok to throw F-bombs and threaten people too?

Cause you obviously think calling some a child of the devil is just fine.
Dude, you are a colossal piece of work. You have been REPEATEDLY attacking me personally as a coward - do you know how insulting that is to a 6', 255 lb. 100% red blood American MALE and Veteran of a Foreign War?


The reason I didn't report you is that when people act like you, I just figure the best thing to do is pray that God opens their eyes to their unChristlikeness, not go running to the mods to ban them like some Special Snowflake tree hugging lefist.