Not By Works

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Yes, I also know a man who loved the Lord, served Him fervently through His church, then one day, his wife left him with his children. Do you know what he did? He hit the bottle...hard. He couldn’t get over his circumstances. It was a dark time in his life. He blamed God for allowing this to happen. Many years later, he met a nice Christian lady, who helped him get his life back in order, and he’s currently alcohol free serving the Lord again. Was he always saved? Absolutely! No matter the sin, you don’t stop being a son.
But did he stop believing?
 
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Ok, whether the guy I know, died before he turned his life around or not, he was still a son. His salvation was secured, not by his faith, but by the faith of Jesus Christ.
So you believe that the person I referred to was indeed saved while on drugs and alcohol addiction because earlier in his life he believed the gospel/asked Jesus into his heart, correct?

And the only thing he lost was rewards in heaven, is this also right?
 
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Then the opposite is true by rules of logic " no works, no salvation"

So then we are saved by our works, that is contrary to what scripture states.
You aren't understanding the argument.
Works being required doesn't have to only mean those works earn salvation.
 
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If they are required, they earn salvation.
You don't know that there is a way for works to be required without those works earning salvation. That's why you can only dogmatically insist that if they are required then they earn salvation.
 

John146

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So you believe that the person I referred to was indeed saved while on drugs and alcohol addiction because earlier in his life he believed the gospel/asked Jesus into his heart, correct?

And the only thing he lost was rewards in heaven, is this also right?
He certainly could have been. We could never know until we get to heaven.
 
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You say that a person can stop believing and they are still saved.
You don't even seem to understand your own argument.
I follow the scripture and scripture states.

My ongoing belief is not what sustains my salvation ... it is Christ that sustains my salvation, it because of whom I have trusted in,
He is Faithful.

You sir are worker for salvation. Plain and simple.
It is all about your effort.
 
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He certainly could have been. We could never know until we get to heaven.
We can know now.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 clearly says that drunkards will not inherit the kingdom of God and we should not be deceived into believing they would. Because the true washed believer does not engage in the things listed therein anymore.

This is an example of how OSAS makes scripture void and of none effect.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11
[9] Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, [10] Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. [11] And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
 

TheDivineWatermark

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Yes.

The Bible is written to man, saved or not.

If you’re not saved, it equips you to be saved.
Once you are saved, it equips you for perfection in all good works and provides comfort until the day of redemption.
Okay, so in the CONTEXT of the passage under discussion, it contrasts "ye" and "them" (vv.3-4), and contrasts "ye/we/us" with the "G3062 ['others' in kjv; 'left, left behind, the rest'--same Greek word as in 1Th4:13 speaking of the 'unsaved' who 'have no hope']" (vv.5-6), and contrasts "they" and "us, who are of the day" (vv.7-9), and you are telling me that verse 10 is communicating the EXACT SAME message [thought/idea/expression] that those other 12 verses are communicating (with regard to the word "WATCH"--that this verse is virtually IDENTICAL to what the other 12 verses are saying, in conveying the SAME THOUGHT/SAME "DIRECTION/instruction"/SAME MESSAGE) ??

I would say they are conveying completely DISTINCT things (regarding the word "WATCH").

And we are called to distinguish the things that differ and that it is a right and good thing to be "CORRECTLY APPORTION[-ing] the word of truth"... applying it properly to whom it properly applies in any given context (this is not to say we do not learn from ALL of it, things of value and application, but I'm referring to "application" in a primary sense, like the "SEE-[then]-FLEE" in the Lk21:12-24 section of the Olivet Discourse pertains to the events surrounding 70ad [NOT saying other parts of the Olivet Discourse aren't "FAR-future," they are!]--but are not for us to "SEE-[then]-FLEE" Lk21:23,20 ;)THAT would be a WRONG APPLICATION, applying things willy-nilly, not that there is NO lesson in it for us, just like our viewing the Exodus does, as well).

So I am not persuaded by your explanation, which sounds to me only like so much human reasoning.
 

John146

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We can know now.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 clearly says that drunkards will not inherit the kingdom of God and we should not be deceived into believing they would. Because the true washed believer does not engage in the things listed therein anymore.

This is an example of how OSAS makes scripture void and of none effect.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11
[9] Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, [10] Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. [11] And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
“shall not inherit” - this has nothing to do with a persons salvation. Salvation is a “FREE GIFT” while your rewards are “EARNED.” (See Col. 3:24)

The Kingdom of God is a “Spiritual” Kingdom, that has an inheritance attached to it. Your Millennial Rewards (inheritance) is at stake. A Christian can lose his inheritance, and not reign with Christ during this Millennial Kingdom. (2 Jn. 8)

In this passage Paul is speaking of the unsaved. They “are” the things listed here, but in the text in (Gal. 5:19), Paul is speaking about the “works of the flesh” in a saved person. (6:9) Notice how Paul words it in (vs. 11)… “An such were some of you…”

Before a person gets saved, they are the things that they do. When a person gets saved, they are no longer those things, even though they may do them.
 

Lightskin

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So you believe that the person I referred to was indeed saved while on drugs and alcohol addiction because earlier in his life he believed the gospel/asked Jesus into his heart, correct?

And the only thing he lost was rewards in heaven, is this also right?
You have said so but you don’t believe.
 

Lightskin

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Yes.

The Bible is written to man, saved or not.

If you’re not saved, it equips you to be saved.

Once you are saved, it equips you for perfection in all good works and provides comfort until the day of redemption.
Psst, here’s a reality check: you’re not perfect.
 

mailmandan

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We can know now.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 clearly says that drunkards will not inherit the kingdom of God and we should not be deceived into believing they would. Because the true washed believer does not engage in the things listed therein anymore.

This is an example of how OSAS makes scripture void and of none effect.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11
[9] Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, [10] Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. [11] And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
Notice that 1 Corinthians 6:9 says the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God. These are those who practice such sins/unbelievers (Galatians 5:19-21) and is not talking about a believer who temporarily stumbles. 1 Corinthians 6:11 clearly points out that such were some of you.. So it’s the unrighteous who practice such sins and not the righteous who are born of God. (1 John 3:9)
 

Lightskin

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This license to sin thought is a joke. I don’t know one believer who thinks this way. Yes, we all sin and fall short daily. We won’t overcome sin until the future redemption. Until then, most of us are just trying the best we can not mess things up too bad.
This ^^^^ is reality ~~ for everyone.
 
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So you believe that the person I referred to was indeed saved while on drugs and alcohol addiction because earlier in his life he believed the gospel/asked Jesus into his heart, correct?

And the only thing he lost was rewards in heaven, is this also right?
Without Jesus one sin is enough to condemn... "workers for salvation" seem to miss that point a lot.