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I love Jesus because He first loved me. As long as I remain in this state, I am abiding in the Vine and am perfectly and eternally secure in Jesus. Whenever I falter, all I need do is repent in a spirit of humility, and my salvation will remain secure. Turning away from our first love in a spirit of open and unrepented-of rebellion is a sad pit to fall into, but some will return to their vomit. We need to abide in the vine to see the Kingdom of Heaven someday.

We all agree that works and fruit are not the cause of salvation, but only the evidence of it.
 
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Btw, would you please elaborate why was this said? Was it just the contempt for them as a group? Or were they insincere in wanting to be baptized? Jesus did not treat Nicodemus in this way, and Nicodemus came to Him secretly, yet these came openly to be baptized, when you pulled that verse just then I realized I've never really understood why were they told this.
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My view peesonally off the hip...John knew full well of their hypocrisy....most of what they did was to be seen of men and they ALL knew full well that this "NEW WAY" WAS at some point going to "TAKE THEIR PLACE AWAY"......MUCH LIKE A POLITICIAN today....they will play both sides in some form or fashion and like Jesus said....

"But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you shut off the kingdom of heaven from people; for you do not enter in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in.
 
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I perceive a shift in your view.
That is a good thing.
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Love is the view from my window....it has not shifted, however, love only fights to save, help, comfort, encourage.....love does not rejoice in lies, love rejoices in truth. :love:
 
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Lafftur said:
Also with all due respect, LOVE is the POINT in guarding, defending, protecting and preaching the Truth.

I am not empowering false teachers, I am confronting them with Truth and if the Truth is rejected then I am disassociating myself.
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With all due respect.....love is a process of growth and maturity and very few reach the pinnacle of mature love....and regardless...the power is in the message, not the motive behind the message....and NOTE OUT OF GOOD WILL = LOVE......the problem is how MANY view and devalue LOVE.....it is not emotional or some ooey gooey thing....it is a commandment and choice....

Using scripture only...define love for me please

Some indeed preach Christ from envy and rivalry, but others from good will. The latter do it out of love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel. The former proclaim Christ out of rivalry, not sincerely but thinking to afflict me in my imprisonment. What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is proclaimed, and in that I rejoice
 
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Lafftur said:
dc, love and truth go hand in hand but, mercy and truth kiss.... Love has mercy and only kisses truth with mercy. Sometimes there are no words.......just a kiss of mercy...."you just totally trashed me and I'm not going to hate you because, God loves you!" That's a kiss of mercy.

There are so many hurting people in this world from all countries, nations, religions, whatever........that have just been beat up - they are broken, bruised, confused, lost and ANGRY AT EVERYBODY even God and are so ready to fight with anybody.

Take the time to ask more questions, find out who you're speaking to, don't cause more collateral damage.

It sounds like you are helping MANY people! Yay!!!!

My heart just went out to DorothyMae. I pray for her soul because I know she is loved by God very much.

You're like this incredible thoroughbred bred stallion horse that is full of strength and vigor ready to bust out of the stall yet he needs the reins of love to guide and control his strength and the Holy Spirit to be his jockey, to give him calm and focus on God's calling that gives him precise sharpness to hit the bullseye on the target of man's souls.

I do love and am inspired by your zeal for the Gospel of Jesus Christ! :love:(y)
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I never trashed you at all sis.....I just disagree with your approach and how you deal with the current resident devaluer of Jesus my friend!!
 
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oyster67 said:
I love Jesus because He first loved me. As long as I remain in this state, I am abiding in the Vine and am perfectly and eternally secure in Jesus. Whenever I falter, all I need do is repent in a spirit of humility, and my salvation will remain secure. Turning away from our first love in a spirit of open and unrepented-of rebellion is a sad pit to fall into, but some will return to their vomit. We need to abide in the vine to see the Kingdom of Heaven someday.

We all agree that works and fruit are not the cause of salvation, but only the evidence of it.
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Too many I's in your view and too many AS LONG AS I.......the position afforded US IN CHRIST IS IRREVOCABLY GIVEN, sustained, maintained and held secure by Christ! WE do not MAINTIAN our positioning in Christ...HE DOES!!
 
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dcontroversal said:
With all due respect.....love is a process of growth and maturity and very few reach the pinnacle of mature love....and regardless...the power is in the message, not the motive behind the message....and NOTE OUT OF GOOD WILL = LOVE......the problem is how MANY view and devalue LOVE.....it is not emotional or some ooey gooey thing....it is a commandment and choice....

Using scripture only...define love for me please

Some indeed preach Christ from envy and rivalry, but others from good will. The latter do it out of love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel. The former proclaim Christ out of rivalry, not sincerely but thinking to afflict me in my imprisonment. What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is proclaimed, and in that I rejoice
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Everything God does is because of LOVE. Even His anger is love based.........the fire of His jealousy.

God is ooey gooey loveey.......there is NOTHING logical for Him to STILL be dealing with all of us!! He absolutely ooey gooey loves us ALL! :love:(y)
 
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dcontroversal said:
Too many I's in your view and too many AS LONG AS I.......the position afforded US IN CHRIST IS IRREVOCABLY GIVEN, sustained, maintained and held secure by Christ! WE do not MAINTIAN our positioning in Christ...HE DOES!!
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I love you DC, but the Bible says we must abide in the Vine.:)
 
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dcontroversal said:
Too many I's in your view and too many AS LONG AS I.......the position afforded US IN CHRIST IS IRREVOCABLY GIVEN, sustained, maintained and held secure by Christ! WE do not MAINTIAN our positioning in Christ...HE DOES!!
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oyster67's "I" are simply his response to God.
 
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I love you DC, but the Bible says we must abide in the Vine.:)
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Sure is a lot of love going around ....
be that as it may it doesn't change the fact that abiding is not for salvation.

That would mean salvation is a reward, it is an irrevocable gift.
 
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dcontroversal said:
I never trashed you at all sis.....I just disagree with your approach and how you deal with the current resident devaluer of Jesus my friend!!
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I wasn't saying YOU trashed me, I was just using that sentence as an example of how Mercy kisses Truth. I'm sorry I confused you.

This is what I mean, I hope it makes sense......

Say the truth of what happened is that someone spoke evil of another person and instead of hating them and retaliating, Mercy kissed them with forgiveness....Mercy loves truth and knows God loves that person so, Mercy kissed them even though they spoke evil.....Mercy kissed Truth, not the 'action' of the person but Mercy kissed the 'Truth' of the person which is that they are loved by God......

I understand that you disagree with how I deal with DM but, God's ways are so much higher than ours....perhaps we both could use our Father to left us on His shoulder and give us both a Heavenly perspective of the Gospel and His Love.....I will pray for that! :love:(y)
 
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EleventhHour said:
Sure is a lot of love going around ....
be that as it may it doesn't change the fact that abiding is not for salvation.

That would mean salvation is a reward, it is an irrevocable gift.
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Salvation is the INVITATION to ABIDE........come on @EleventhHour abide in God's Love for you......His love is so life giving.....you will bear much fruit.......:love:(y)
 
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EleventhHour said:
Sure is a lot of love going around ....
be that as it may it doesn't change the fact that abiding is not for salvation.

That would mean salvation is a reward, it is an irrevocable gift.
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… and there is plenty of love for you also, and abiding is a requirement for Salvation. I don't want you to be angry, but people need to know that getting born again is not a licence to just live in a lifestyle of willful and unrepented-of sin for the rest of their lives. They will end up in hell because they believed the big lie of "Once Saved-Always-Saved".
 
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oyster67 said:
… and there is plenty of love for you also, and abiding is a requirement for Salvation. I don't want you to be angry, but people need to know that getting born again is not a licence to just live in a lifestyle of willful and unrepented-of sin for the rest of their lives. They will end up in hell because they believed the big lie of "Once Saved-Always-Saved".
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The biggest lie peddled right here aimed at the truth of eternal security!
 
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oyster67 said:
… and there is plenty of love for you also, and abiding is a requirement for Salvation. I don't want you to be angry, but people need to know that getting born again is not a licence to just live in a lifestyle of willful and unrepented-of sin for the rest of their lives. They will end up in hell because they believed the big lie of "Once Saved-Always-Saved".
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Whoa! Hold on Oyster67........ Salvation is a Gift received by faith (undeniable understanding of truth) from God's Holy Spirit that the Blood and Body of Jesus Christ saves us, there is salvation in no other - NOT even our own works. He keeps us, we abide in Christ but, HE KEEPS US ABIDING IN HIM - He does NOT lose even one. Salvation CANNOT be lost.
 
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oyster67 said:
… and there is plenty of love for you also, and abiding is a requirement for Salvation. I don't want you to be angry, but people need to know that getting born again is not a licence to just live in a lifestyle of willful and unrepented-of sin for the rest of their lives. They will end up in hell because they believed the big lie of "Once Saved-Always-Saved".
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There are so many problems in this post seriously

Repent is not contrition for one.
 
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dcontroversal said:
The biggest lie peddled right here aimed at the truth of eternal security!
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The Bible is not a book of lies.

Hebrews 10
10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
 
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oyster67 said:
… and there is plenty of love for you also, and abiding is a requirement for Salvation. I don't want you to be angry, but people need to know that getting born again is not a licence to just live in a lifestyle of willful and unrepented-of sin for the rest of their lives. They will end up in hell because they believed the big lie of "Once Saved-Always-Saved".
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Whoa, again! Hold on, I happen to also love oyster67....I know you are not surprised but, wait...he is my brother in Christ.....

Oyster67, let's talk about this....:unsure:

Any one that is IN CHRIST will NOT end up in hell. Of course, Christ has the keys to Hell anyways so, Christ can get them out if they end up there but, wait.......

Listen, it comes down to our souls being restored.....we need the Holy Spirit and the Word of God to renew our minds so we can know the perfect Will of God and power to do it.

Please do not think that people that are saved can lose their salvation......:cry:
 
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oyster67 said:
The Bible is not a book of lies.

Hebrews 10
10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
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Context alludes you....the lie is what YOU SAID......get that through your head!
 
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