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stonesoffire

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My first job when I returned to my home state was to work in a dry cleaners. I was still quite young both of age, and of new birth. And I talked to the Lord all the time. Still do though not so desperate as then.

Anyway, I was at the ironing board working and I looked up and said to Him, Lord, when the devil tells me something, I’m just going to doubt him.

And then I heard the most beautiful laughter and He sounded so full of joy at what I said.

So yes....He laughs.

What I don’t understand is why the question.
 
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Well, well, looky here. No need to imply my bro lied. Right?:



Shall I go ahead with the other proofs of your teachings you denied, while calling me a liar, slanderer, other insults? Yes or no?

Please end your calling us liars, ok? We have lots of proof of what you've said.

Time for you to man up and apologize. Right? I've given proof, you've given exactly none.
Oh, and you had me on ignore while doing this insulting, which is why you asked who was being talked to. Further proof what I said isn't a lie, that you were insulting me while you had me on ignore. Hmmm. But I'm the liar? Nope.
 

stonesoffire

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We all hate the five minute spellcheck rule. I am 71, with seven strokes, so my mind works slow, and even though spellcheck twice before I post, I find all kinds of spelling errors in my posts, because I proof read, I read what I thought TYPED. :(



Yes OSAS, means ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED. The definition you Posted was OBVIOUSLY made up by a person who hates what we really stand for, OR he made it up in total ignorance of what we really believe.

We OSAS BELIEVERS know that only Born Again Believers go to Heaven. Because JESUS SAID SO.

John 3:3-7 (HCSB)
3 Jesus replied, “I assure you: Unless someone is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
4 “But how can anyone be born when he is old?” Nicodemus asked Him. “Can he enter his mother’s womb a second time and be born?”
5 Jesus answered, “I assure you: Unless someone is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
6 Whatever is born of the flesh is flesh, and whatever is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Do not be amazed that I told you that you must be born again.

Now I was Raised in an old fashioned Lutheran Church that NEVER taught Born Again and even said that expression was coined by the Baptists and Evangelicals and is Works Righteousness. That is FAR FROM THE TRUTH, it is a real work in our Hearts (Human Spirit) done by the Holy Spirit.

1 Corinthians 12:3 (HCSB)
3 Therefore I am informing you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus is cursed,” and no one can say,Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.


That Phrase JESUS IS MY LORD is not a profession; it is REFERRING to a CONFESSION that comes from DEEP in the Human Spirit. If you have not surrendered out of AGAPE LOVE to HIM as LORD, meaning MASTER, it is only Profession.

Most people that say you can lose your Salvation, do not realize what they are saying. They are Counting Disciples that Never have been BORN AGAIN. Yes, Disciples ONLY MEANS FOLLOWERS, SAVED and UNSAVED; and does not me SAVED BORN AGAIN, who have Surrendered out of AGAPE LOVE to HIM and have a REAL personal, intimate relationship with HIM as LORD. Of course those who are Unsaved can fall away, but Never the ones who are Born Again.

1 John 2:19 (HCSB)
19 They went out from us, but they did not belong to us; for if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us. However, they went out so that it might be made clear that none of them belongs to us.


Here is how we are SAVED, Rom. 10:9-10, and that term only applies to the HUMAN SPIRIT. Look at John 3:6 again.

SALVATION is of the Human Spirit, and takes place in the moment in time you Genuinely first Believed.

SANCTIFICATION of Human Flesh will take place during the whole lifetime of the Believer, and will not be complete til the Ressurrection.


Romans 10:9-10 (NASB)
9 that if you confess {not just profess it} with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him
from the dead, you will be saved;
10 for with the heart {Human Spirit} a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses,
resulting in salvation.


After WE are SAVED (Born Again) the Holy Spirit changes our new born Spirit to want to always LOVE HIM with AGAPE LOVE. Obedience is part of our AGAPE LOVE after we are Born Again; and never has been Part of SALVATION. Yes, that New Born Spirit has ETERNAL LIFE IN IT, and it is not ETERNAL if it can fall away. Their are Lots of VERSES that teach us that You Cannot Lose SALVATION, once you REALLY HAVE IT. Also remember JESUS Speaks to both SAVED Disciples and UNSAVED Disciples.

2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.

John 10:27-28 (HCSB)
27 My sheep hear My voice, I know them, and they follow Me.
28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish—ever! No one will snatch them out of My hand.

Ephesians 6:24 (HCSB)
24 Grace be with all who have undying love for our Lord Jesus Christ.


Do you have that undying agape love?
If you are asking me this, so far all the things that darkness threw at me, I’ve been more than a conqueror through Him who LOVES ME!
 

EleventhHour

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Are you denying this too, and implying he is lying? Do tell, please. Tell me he's lying, OK? Fact is he isn't lying. But you're fully aware you said it right?

Perhaps he'll go show where you did say it. I bet you wouldn't even man up and own it then, right?

Now, go find the proof where I slandered. You said it is deep, should be easy to find.

Also, while you had me on ignore, you insulted and name called, right?

Is this a slander... are you sure you have clean hands?

It’s amusing watching the simpletons who like and laugh at the lies of this mouthpiece when he posts. And he is all mouth. :)
And to boot that entire exchange started because YOU falsely accused @dcontroversal that we were lawless... when in fact he was talking about keeping the ten commandments perfectly... which was very clear from the intent of his post.

Have you apologized to him yet for misconstruing his words?
 

VCO

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While I carefully prepared the last Post; you all posted 6 more pages!

Man that make me feel very slow.
 

stonesoffire

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I'll stick to what the scripture says.

Thanks!
Then you aren’t using wisdom if you aren’t considering what was happening. And especially in light of the book of Galatians. If this were a church with Paul, you would be thrown out as a Judaizer.
 
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Now own it and apologize for implying you were being lied about, your favorite go to insult.

I have more posts than this on your teachings you deny. Find them too or no?
i did, I guess you can’t read

once again, do you deny you have made inflammatory posts, I will not ask again
 
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You continue to slander me and others with lies I will continue to call you out

1 more time,

Will you admit you have made inflammatory remarks about others in this chat room or not
Keep calling me out with zero proof. No problem. Either provide the proof or end it.

Moving the goalposts e.g.? Of course.

You said I slandered, now you're changing your wording to inflammatory remarks aren't you? Well, of course because you have no evidence I slandered, and accusing me of it was the actual slander in itself.

Right? Own that too, OK? We're getting to the truth now, aren't we? Things aren't what you said now are they? Right? Own it.

Fess up. Your accusations of slander are baseless. I do not and have not lied on this forum. No reason to, but obviously you do have reason to do so.
 
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@eternally-gratefull it's time for your apologies, it's also time for you to show proof I've slandered.
Well looks here, I found the post. Because I am not to proud to admit when I do something wrong

so forgive me For acting like a child and calling someone a name
i have also proved slander

this is my last time asking

will you admit you have made inflammatory posts in this chat room,

your trying to make it all about me, I have admitted I have messed up, are you man enoug, or do I have to show you have made inflammatory remarks?
 
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i did, I guess you can’t read

once again, do you deny you have made inflammatory posts, I will not ask again
I've not seen your post or apology for implying someone lied. Tell them you're sorry for implying they lied.

No need to move the goal posts to inflammatory remarks. Provide proof I slandered. Also, apologize for insulting me while I was on ignore, and for implying I lied about that too.
 

EleventhHour

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