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Amen?
Please tell me you do not believe this?
It does not empty the cross of the power.
Remember Jesus said he must be lifted up and as moses lifted up the seprent in the wilderness so must man be lifted up so that whoever believes.
The children of Israel had to chose in faith to look up at the serpent on the pole.. They looked up. Like you and I looked up to the cross in faith.
Did they Earn their salvation because they looked to the serpent?
No. No more than we can EARN salvation by looking to the cross[/QUOTE]
Amen?
Please tell me you do not believe this?
It does not empty the cross of the power.
Remember Jesus said he must be lifted up and as moses lifted up the seprent in the wilderness so must man be lifted up so that whoever believes.
The children of Israel had to chose in faith to look up at the serpent on the pole.. They looked up. Like you and I looked up to the cross in faith.
Did they Earn their salvation because they looked to the serpent?
No. No more than we can EARN salvation by looking to the cross[/QUOTE]
I was saved through Jesus sacrificing his life for me.....Christ saved me.i didn’t save myself....I cried out to Jesus.....if Jesus hadn’t died...there would be no salvation.....what a terrible thought.
Please tell me you do not believe this?
It does not empty the cross of the power.
Remember Jesus said he must be lifted up and as moses lifted up the seprent in the wilderness so must man be lifted up so that whoever believes.
The children of Israel had to chose in faith to look up at the serpent on the pole.. They looked up. Like you and I looked up to the cross in faith.
Did they Earn their salvation because they looked to the serpent?
No. No more than we can EARN salvation by looking to the cross[/QUOTE]
Amen?
Please tell me you do not believe this?
It does not empty the cross of the power.
Remember Jesus said he must be lifted up and as moses lifted up the seprent in the wilderness so must man be lifted up so that whoever believes.
The children of Israel had to chose in faith to look up at the serpent on the pole.. They looked up. Like you and I looked up to the cross in faith.
Did they Earn their salvation because they looked to the serpent?
No. No more than we can EARN salvation by looking to the cross[/QUOTE]
I was saved through Jesus sacrificing his life for me.....Christ saved me.i didn’t save myself....I cried out to Jesus.....if Jesus hadn’t died...there would be no salvation.....what a terrible thought.
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MY BIBLE reads...................... "and the spirit and the bride say come and let him that heareth say come and let him that is thirsty come and
whosoever will let him take the water of life freely"
Rev. 20
Jesus invites all...
Let us rejoice in His invitation of LOVE and not be persuaded by those who turn the gift of salvation into "denying and limiting" what God freely proclaimed and desires to give.
We know that love never owes.
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Dr. White is incorrect or incomplete. Grace is not unmerited favor but neither is it merited. There is something besides earning and completely free. This is the mistake he is making. Grace in the dealings of God with men is always granted for reasons. These reasons are not earning but neither is the grace of God given arbitrarily.
Noah found favor (grace) with God because he was a "preacher of rightesouness" in his Generation. This did not EARN favor or grace but neither was the man simply lucky. So the statment that grace needs to be free or it is not grace is very misleading as though a man just gets lucky.
In more than one place it says "God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble. The humble are not lucky but neither is being humble or humbling yourself earning His favor. Nevertheless if a man is proud and responds in pride not only will God NOT grant him/her grace but God opposes them. Not a good place to be.
Now as to the idea that because God did something for some and let the others go to hell for no reason and that is still just because his idea of justice is different than ours, I have a comparison.
Is justice an entirely different matter with God? This seems to be an argument for the Calvinist position. It runs something like this if it were to occur in human father son relationships. This is what they think God says to us regarding his justice but let’s put it into a human family for clarity. The Scene is a discussion or lecture as it were, between a 9 year old boy and his father.
“So you, in you puny nine year old mind think that I am unjust because I belted you when you did the same thing your brother did and I did not belt him. Who are you to understand my justice!!!!?????? (We can see him getting red in the face.) Just because he does the same thing you do and is never punished does not mean I am unjust at all. I am always just. Always!! What you know of justice is nothing!! Just because I punished you for the same infraction and not him does not make me unjust. It means he has found grace and mercy in my sight, something neither of you deserved! So do not dare to think that you understand justice better than I do. You are not even 10 years old and I am vastly older than you. Whatever I do is just and when one of you finds mercy in my sight, well, that is more than just. What you both deserve is punishment, but I graciously extend unmerited mercy to him. It is completely just because both of you deserve punishment. Its just that He found grace and you didn’t. That does not make me unjust!!!!”
If the people who propose this were to experience this on the Job I am very sure they would not say their Boss is just for arbitrarily rewarding one and punishing them for no perceivable reason. They would cry, "unjust" very loudly.
Noah found favor (grace) with God because he was a "preacher of rightesouness" in his Generation. This did not EARN favor or grace but neither was the man simply lucky. So the statment that grace needs to be free or it is not grace is very misleading as though a man just gets lucky.
In more than one place it says "God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble. The humble are not lucky but neither is being humble or humbling yourself earning His favor. Nevertheless if a man is proud and responds in pride not only will God NOT grant him/her grace but God opposes them. Not a good place to be.
Now as to the idea that because God did something for some and let the others go to hell for no reason and that is still just because his idea of justice is different than ours, I have a comparison.
Is justice an entirely different matter with God? This seems to be an argument for the Calvinist position. It runs something like this if it were to occur in human father son relationships. This is what they think God says to us regarding his justice but let’s put it into a human family for clarity. The Scene is a discussion or lecture as it were, between a 9 year old boy and his father.
“So you, in you puny nine year old mind think that I am unjust because I belted you when you did the same thing your brother did and I did not belt him. Who are you to understand my justice!!!!?????? (We can see him getting red in the face.) Just because he does the same thing you do and is never punished does not mean I am unjust at all. I am always just. Always!! What you know of justice is nothing!! Just because I punished you for the same infraction and not him does not make me unjust. It means he has found grace and mercy in my sight, something neither of you deserved! So do not dare to think that you understand justice better than I do. You are not even 10 years old and I am vastly older than you. Whatever I do is just and when one of you finds mercy in my sight, well, that is more than just. What you both deserve is punishment, but I graciously extend unmerited mercy to him. It is completely just because both of you deserve punishment. Its just that He found grace and you didn’t. That does not make me unjust!!!!”
If the people who propose this were to experience this on the Job I am very sure they would not say their Boss is just for arbitrarily rewarding one and punishing them for no perceivable reason. They would cry, "unjust" very loudly.
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I can see this also brother
Its just trying to take that thinking, and match it up to God claiming to be a God of love in spite of the lie satan teaches (God does not love) is hard to do.
How can God expect me to love everyone unconditionally. when he does not do the same himself.
Do I chose to elect who I will love and who I will not. Or do I love everyone. as God loved me..
Its just trying to take that thinking, and match it up to God claiming to be a God of love in spite of the lie satan teaches (God does not love) is hard to do.
How can God expect me to love everyone unconditionally. when he does not do the same himself.
Do I chose to elect who I will love and who I will not. Or do I love everyone. as God loved me..
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Well, you asked about Adam after my response to a previous post of yours. In fact, you said you went back to something else. I was set to show you that people do place demands on God.
But that being said, moving along here.
But that being said, moving along here.
But I see as usual....
Ps 77 When I was in distress, I sought the Lord; at night I stretched out untiring hands, and I would not be comforted
2 Chorn 17: 4 Jehosephat .. sought the God of his father and followed his commands rather than the practices
2 Chron 33:12 In his distress he sought the LORD his God and humbled himself greatly before the God of his ancestors
I can supply a lot more of these showing you that some people sought the Lord and in the Bible too. Your understanding is off.
but let him who boasts boast in this, that he understands and knows me, that I am
the LORD who practices steadfast love, justice, and righteousness in the earth
You shall love the Lord your God with all your mind......
Sorry but God prevails over lies when People UNDERSTAND. Lies and truth are knwon in the mind, not in the Body or heart.
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God chooses who he elects..we don’t choose him....to me that is such an honour to be chosen by God.
When I was saved....I felt honoured and more important than the Queen....seriously I did.[/QUOTE]
Have you no concern for all those doomed to hell with no Chance under your theology? (Not that it is true, but I do not see how anyone with a heart can be thrilled to be choosen for no reason while believing some are just not chosen for no reason but doomed to hell.)
When I was saved....I felt honoured and more important than the Queen....seriously I did.[/QUOTE]
Have you no concern for all those doomed to hell with no Chance under your theology? (Not that it is true, but I do not see how anyone with a heart can be thrilled to be choosen for no reason while believing some are just not chosen for no reason but doomed to hell.)
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Have you no concern for all those doomed to hell with no Chance under your theology? (Not that it is true, but I do not see how anyone with a heart can be thrilled to be choosen for no reason while believing some are just not chosen for no reason but doomed to hell.)[/QUOTE]
LOL...that is not my thoughts, I didn't hit reply right or something. I'm trying to edit it right now, I was replying to someone else....
LOL...that is not my thoughts, I didn't hit reply right or something. I'm trying to edit it right now, I was replying to someone else....
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I pray to God that he will open up your understanding. God doesn't make a group of kings and queens and a group of trash. He sent his Son to die for all so that any who will believe in him will not perish and all that accept him becomes a part of his royal family.
What do you feel makes you so special that he chose to make you a queen and gave you no choice to resist, but chose to make Sally down the street a piece of trash to burn and gave her no chance? Did you possess some type of special quality that he just had to have you? God doesn't need me or you....We need him and that is why he sent his Son to die for this lost world so that any who will believe upon him will be saved...scripture is clear on this....He would have all men come to repentance, and the free gift has come upon all, but not all will accept....
What do you feel makes you so special that he chose to make you a queen and gave you no choice to resist, but chose to make Sally down the street a piece of trash to burn and gave her no chance? Did you possess some type of special quality that he just had to have you? God doesn't need me or you....We need him and that is why he sent his Son to die for this lost world so that any who will believe upon him will be saved...scripture is clear on this....He would have all men come to repentance, and the free gift has come upon all, but not all will accept....
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