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dcontroversal

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How many workers for and salvation losers have kept their salvation today?

NONE...........is the correct answer.

We are kept by the power of God through faith.

The same faith that JESUS BEGINS, FINISHES and COMPLETES in us.

Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of GOD.

Whosever has EARS TO HEAR and EYES TO SEE....

Unlike some on this site that beleive some fable that men were made for hell and God only chooses the extra special religionists for salvation....MY BIBLE states that GOD loved the whole order of things and would have ALL MEN be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth. NOT JUST MAN "A"
 
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dcontroversal said:
How many workers for and salvation losers have kept their salvation today?

NONE...........is the correct answer.

We are kept by the power of God through faith.

The same faith that JESUS BEGINS, FINISHES and COMPLETES in us.

Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of GOD.

Whosever has EARS TO HEAR and EYES TO SEE....

Unlike some on this site that beleive some fable that men were made for hell and God only chooses the extra special religionists for salvation....MY BIBLE states that GOD loved the whole order of things and would have ALL MEN be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth. NOT JUST MAN "A"
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Truly shocking to believe that God, the author of life would give life to us humans and many he hates and wants to condemn to hell.

Only God can give life, when a child is conceived it's of God, whether wanted or not.

To believe a child is born in order to go to hell is shocking.

If that is true then I would reject this God.
 
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Truly shocking to believe that God, the author of life would give life to us humans and many he hates and wants to condemn to hell.

Only God can give life, when a child is conceived it's of God, whether wanted or not.

To believe a child is born in order to go to hell is shocking.

If that is true then I would reject this God.
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That is exactly what Calvinists believe and peddle and it is being allowed....it is sickening, disgusting, not of God and I agree with you my brother across the pond.....thank God we know better!
 
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dcontroversal said:
That is exactly what Calvinists believe and peddle and it is being allowed....it is sickening, disgusting, not of God and I agree with you my brother across the pond.....thank God we know better!
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Don't know much about Calvanism but enough to know it's not right.

Let us thank God that he knows better than we do and has given us the opportunity to be the gospel to the people Jesus has given us.
 
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BillG said:
Don't know much about Calvinism but enough to know it's not right.

Let us thank God that he knows better than we do and has given us the opportunity to be the gospel to the people Jesus has given us.
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Count yourself lucky! (y)
 
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BillG said:
Don't know much about Calvanism but enough to know it's not right.

Let us thank God that he knows better than we do and has given us the opportunity to be the gospel to the people Jesus has given us.
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Amen, but at the end of the day and when the dust settles, the power is in the message and not the messenger.
 
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dcontroversal said:
Amen, but at the end of the day and when the dust settles, the power is in the message and not the messenger.
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The power is in the word......but not everyone interpret the word as you do....if they don’t interpret as you do /believe.......you then start getting personal and accuse the brethren.....that they twist and turn scripture.....
 
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dcontroversal said:
Amen, but at the end of the day and when the dust settles, the power is in the message and not the messenger.
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I agree with your post but I believe the power of the message is relayed through the messanger.

We only have to look at the message bringer Jesus himself and how he lived the message.

The message means nothing of the messanger is not living it.

We look at the way Jesus lived.
 
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BillG said:
I agree with your post but I believe the power of the message is relayed through the messanger.

We only have to look at the message bringer Jesus himself and how he lived the message.

The message means nothing of the messanger is not living it.

We look at the way Jesus lived.
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The person who told me the Gospel and led me to the Lord was a complete stranger.

You know what he had a solid biblical defense against my presuppositions.

I also think that if they are judging the person they have already made up their minds about the message... in my experience and humble opinion. :)

People will find many faults if they are resistant.
 
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The person who told me the Gospel and led me to the Lord was a complete stranger.

You know what he had a solid biblical defense against my presuppositions.

I also think that if they are judging the person they have already made up their minds about the message... in my experience and humble opinion. :)

People will find many faults if they are resistant.
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Yes they will.

My focus was on walking with people.

The person who walked with you obviously had an influence and revealed the gospel.

What was it?
 
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EleventhHour

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BillG said:
Yes they will.

My focus was on walking with people.

The person who walked with you obviously had an influence and revealed the gospel.

What was it?
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I did not walk the person, he was a stranger to me.

Not sure what you mean by ... "what was it"
 
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EleventhHour said:
I did not walk the person, he was a stranger to me.

Not sure what you mean by ... "what was it"
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He walked with you to lead you to Jesus.

What was it he said or did that caused you to accept Jesus?

Jesus sought out Zacheus.

One lunch later after hearing the gospel he repents makes recompense and as a result the people see it.

He hears the message, accepted by Jesus and puts it into action.

So the power is in the message and message is exacted in action.
 
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BillG said:
He walked with you to lead you to Jesus.

What was it he said or did that caused you to accept Jesus?

Jesus sought out Zacheus.

One lunch later after hearing the gospel he repents makes recompense and as a result the people see it.

He hears the message, accepted by Jesus and puts it into action.

So the power is in the message and message is exacted in action.
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Thank you for asking ... I will post it shortly. :)
 
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EleventhHour said:
Thank you for asking ... I will post it shortly. :)
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Just so you know I'm not going at you.

It's just that I think there is power in the message but unless we walk in that then the massage means nothing to those we preach the message to.
 
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BillG said:
Just so you know I'm not going at you.

It's just that I think there is power in the message but unless we walk in that then the massage means nothing to those we preach the message to.
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For sure I did not take it that way at all.
And I will share....just preoccupied on another thread...lol
 
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