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OIC1965

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Someone posted about what happened to the OP. The answer is that you can’t seperate Ephesians 1:9 from its immediate context. And what we are discussing is in the immediete context, (see verse 10). therefore, imo, it’s relevant

Never interpret a verse by itself, especially when chapter and verse divisions are a much later addition.

I think this has run its course, though.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Think of it this way.

As regards the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, how did this work?

Did God run the numbers (in eternity past), get the right result, and then green light the Salvation Project? And the myriad of prophetic elements were all by chance, God only recorded what happened? And the only reason He allowed the Salvation Project to move forward is because He looked forward in time and saw that Christ did not fail?

Or did God Himself by sheer force of will, set forth a predetermined premeditated Salvation Project, where all the people involved and all the elements involved and all of the factors involved are doing exactly what he wants them to do? No dice rolling no coin flips no nothing.
No possibility that the Salvation Project would fail, no possibility that Christ would fail, and no possibility that any of the chosen/elect would ever fail to achieve final glorification?

The Bible is unequivocal in stating the latter is true.

God was not sweating it out in eternity past, (or now same thing) running numbers on His cosmic computer, and much to His relief (that's the sweating it out part) found a working scenario dependent only upon these future players who have their own free will, and whose decisions are the only decisions that really matter!
Once again. By this post is is obvious you have no understanding of what I think

You act as if it is your way or else. So serious you can not seem to have a normal Conversations

You would think after all the bans @Oncefallen has handed out people would stop This nonsense. Is it really that hard to stop?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Someone posted about what happened to the OP. The answer is that you can’t seperate Ephesians 1:9 from its immediate context. And what we are discussing is in the immediete context, (see verse 10). therefore, imo, it’s relevant

Never interpret a verse by itself, especially when chapter and verse divisions are a much later addition.

I think this has run its course, though.
Ephesians 1:9?
 
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EleventhHour

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"TULIP does not work in bits and pieces"
TULIP is commentary. Whether it relates to legitimate doctrine is open for debate.
I wouldn't obsess over it or get all worked up about it.
Good solid believing Reformed churches have their various views on the matter.
Tulip is a system.
I am not worked up ... just dismayed.. I and many others do not see it as biblical.
 

OIC1965

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Tulip is a system.
I am not worked up ... just dismayed.. I and many others do not see it as biblical.
Let’s not talk about Tulip then. Can we all agree to not talk about Tulip? I don’t like systems that put everything into boxes anyways.
 
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EleventhHour

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Let’s not talk about Tulip then. Can we all agree to not talk about Tulip? I don’t like systems that put everything into boxes anyways.
Well we can leave TULIP aside but all parts of it work together are outside of scripture.

So how does God choose salvation for some without irresistible grace:unsure:
Choosing the apostles was not Gods choice to salvation since Judas was not saved and therefore not about salvation.
 

OIC1965

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Well we can leave TULIP aside but all parts of it work together are outside of scripture.

So how does God choose salvation for some without irresistible grace:unsure:
Choosing the apostles was not Gods choice to salvation since Judas was not saved and therefore not about salvation.
Foreknowledge.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Let’s not talk about Tulip then. Can we all agree to not talk about Tulip? I don’t like systems that put everything into boxes anyways.
Not sure what tulip has to do with not if works anyway. Kind of foolish to talk about it in here. Not to mention already many threads on it
 

OIC1965

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Not sure what tulip has to do with not if works anyway. Kind of foolish to talk about it in here. Not to mention already many threads on it
No, Tulip is not relevant, but the basis of our election is relevant? Yes? I respect you if you say no, will stop discussing it.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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No, Tulip is not relevant, but the basis of our election is relevant? Yes? I respect you if you say no, will stop discussing it.
In a not of works Salvation thread? No I do not really think so
 
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EleventhHour

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No, Tulip is not relevant, but the basis of our election is relevant? Yes? I respect you if you say no, will stop discussing it.
The tenets of Tulip has come several times on this thread and the OP never had a problem with it and engaged in it as well.
 

OIC1965

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If your opening another Calvin topicalnthread there are to many open now. It’s beating a dead horse bro
Peter was not a Calvinist. 1 Peter 1:2

They rejected it. A thread that asked people to interact with 1 Peter 1:2.

Interesting...

That’s not Calvin, that’s Peter

Sorry, eleventh. Can’t answer your question. If you want an answer, PM me.