Not By Works

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Jackson123

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So you asked me for the scripture where tribulation salvation require faith and work, I gave you rev 14:9-12
To me it is wrong conclusions

Salvation by faith not work
But faith also produce good work

Not
Faith + work = salvation that is wrong and unbiblical

This is biblical formula

Faith = salvation + loving work

Let me remind you one more time
Salvation come from faith to the point asking Jesus come to your heart.
If jesus, master of love in you, it will change you to be loving person

Matt 25 (when I am hungry you feed me etc) is the manifestation of love.
 
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To me it is wrong conclusions

Salvation by faith not work
But faith also produce good work

Not
Faith + work = salvation that is wrong and unbiblical

This is biblical formula

Faith = salvation + loving work

Let me remind you one more time
Salvation come from faith to the point asking Jesus come to your heart.
If jesus, master of love in you, it will change you to be loving person

Matt 25 (when I am hungry you feed me etc) is the manifestation of love.
Yep, I can understand why you would choose to interpret the sheep and the goat judgment that way.

Many do because they assumed that Jesus must have been preaching the same gospel to Israel as Paul preached to us.
 

Jackson123

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3;16 is taken out of context.......often.

We must repent for 3;16 to apply. We do that when we believe.
Yep, believe mean believe Jesus teaching.
Only believe that Jesus God and not agree His teaching not save

James 2

19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

The devil not only believe there is God also tremble, it not them save.
Believe in the sense 100% agree with His teaching and do what ever we can to obey His command to love God and love other, not rob other
 

Jackson123

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Yep, I can understand why you would choose to interpret the sheep and the goat judgment that way.

Many do because they assumed that Jesus must have been preaching the same gospel to Israel as Paul preached to us.
So you believe Jesus and Paul preach different gospel?
 

VCO

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Faith working through love (as Paul put it) means you have faith in God, and your obedience to God’s commandments shows that you love God. Faith and obedience are both necessary for salvation. So to answer your question, you need love.

What acts of faith did you do to earn this SALVATION ? ? ?

2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.

Titus 3:5-7 (HCSB)
5 He saved us not by works of righteousness that we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewal by the Holy Spirit.
6 He poured out this ⌊Spirit⌋ on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
7 so that having been justified by His grace, we may become heirs with the hope of eternal life.

Romans 5:10 (HCSB)
10 For if, while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, ⌊then how⌋ much more, having been reconciled, will we be saved by His life!


The answer is NONE!
 
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So you believe Jesus and Paul preach different gospel?
Gospel means good news.

In Jesus first coming, he was only sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel (Matthew 15:24, Romans 15:8). His gospel of the kingdom was only meant for Israel (Matthew 10:5).

We gentiles "dogs" (Mark 7:27) had to wait until Israel rejected Christ, before he raised Paul to reach to us with the gospel of the grace of God (Ephesians 2:11-12)
 

Jackson123

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Gospel means good news.

In Jesus first coming, he was only sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel (Matthew 15:24, Romans 15:8). His gospel of the kingdom was only meant for Israel (Matthew 10:5).

We gentiles "dogs" (Mark 7:27) had to wait until Israel rejected Christ, before he raised Paul to reach to us with the gospel of the grace of God (Ephesians 2:11-12)
So the same gospel, only different time, am I correct?
 
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So you believe there are 2 different gospel

Let say john 3:16 is this verse for Jews only or gentile only?
All scripture is for us, but not all are written to us or about us.

You should understand John 3:16 together with John 20:31. Israel needed to believe that Jesus is their promised Messiah and Son of God.

It is not written to us because our gospel is not about the identity of Jesus, but rather the finished work of Jesus (1 Cor 15:1-4) (See the picture I posted to you)
 

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Wow, been away for just a few days and the "worker bees" have come out of the woodwork. The "new age" religion can never be applied to those of us here on this thread from the very beginning. Works will get one no place in the Kingdom of God if that is what you worker bees believe.
 

Jackson123

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All scripture is for us, but not all are written to us or about us.

You should understand John 3:16 together with John 20:31. Israel needed to believe that Jesus is their promised Messiah and Son of God.

It is not written to us because our gospel is not about the identity of Jesus, but rather the finished work of Jesus (1 Cor 15:1-4) (See the picture I posted to you)
So you believe john 3:16 written to Israel? Or both Israel and us?
 
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Works will get one no place in the Kingdom of God if that is what you worker bees believe.
Agree, IF you are referring to: "GRACE Through faith" for The Body Of CHRIST,
Today! On the other hand, could you please Explain This Judgment FOR
Israel And
The Nations:

"When the Son of man shall come in HIS Glory, and all the holy angels with
HIM, then shall HE sit upon the throne of HIS Glory: And before HIM shall be
gathered all nations: and HE shall separate them one from another, as a
shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And HE shall set the sheep on
HIS right hand, but the goats on the left.

Then shall the King say unto them on HIS right hand, Come, ye blessed of
MY Father, inherit the kingdom
prepared for you from the foundation of
the world: For I was an hungred, and ye gave ME meat: I was thirsty, and
ye gave ME drink: I was a stranger, and ye took ME in: Naked, and ye
clothed ME: I was sick, and ye visited ME: I was in prison, and ye came
unto ME.

Then shall the righteous answer HIM, saying, Lord, when saw we Thee an
hungred, and fed Thee? or thirsty, and gave Thee drink? When saw we
Thee a stranger, and took Thee in? or naked, and clothed Thee? Or when
saw we Thee sick, or in prison, and came unto Thee? And the King shall
answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have
done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it
unto ME." (Matthew_25 : 31-40 KJB!)?

Precious friend, Please Be Very Richly Blessed!
 

VCO

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Here is a GOSPEL SONG, that has a VERY special meaning to me. You see, my wife Passed Away from a heart attack Nov. 2, 2015. Her name was Bobbi, and we has 36 years of Marriage, and I am thankful for every one of them.

 

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Hello everyone. I'm almost finished with my radiation. Praise God and thanks be to Him for helping me through this time. On another note, I believe those who are saved by God's Grace will produce good works but works of any kind will not bring about salvation.
 

BillG

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To me it is wrong conclusions

Salvation by faith not work
But faith also produce good work

Not
Faith + work = salvation that is wrong and unbiblical

This is biblical formula

Faith = salvation + loving work

Let me remind you one more time
Salvation come from faith to the point asking Jesus come to your heart.
If jesus, master of love in you, it will change you to be loving person

Matt 25 (when I am hungry you feed me etc) is the manifestation of love.
Well said.
As we allow the Holy Spirit to work in us we move closer to AGAPE love.
We even love our enemies, do good to those who persecute us.
Just like Jesus did.
 

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I usually only post under this thread. For my valued friends under this thread, where else do you post?
 
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Precious friend(s), CHRIST Died for our sins, but HIS Precious BLOOD Is
Insufficient for God’s ETERNAL Salvation? God’s EVERLASTING Salvation?

Why is it, Since “God IS SATISFIED” With HIS SON’s Payment, that some are not?:

Isa 53:10 "Yet it pleased The LORD to bruise Him; He hath put him to grief: when
Thou shalt make His Soul An Offering For sin, He shall see his seed, He shall
prolong his days, and the pleasure of The LORD shall prosper in His Hand."

Isa 53:11 "He Shall See of The Travail Of His Soul, and Shall Be Satisfied: By
His Knowledge Shall My Righteous Servant JUSTIFY many; for He Shall Bear
their iniquities."


Apparently some ignore "The Travail Of HIS SOUL," thus making
HIS Precious BLOOD INsufficient for themselves! Ah, LORD, how tragic!!

Be Blessed!

Post # 151,918 page 7596 BURIED SOoooo DEEP, So, New Thread HERE...
 

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The Blood of Christ is sufficient to cover our sins; past present and future.

We saved are to live under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Even though our sins are covered, we are to confess whenever we fail or slip and Christ is ready to forgive and already has those sins.