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Except for the 'wanna get married' part, I'm with what you're saying here.
I'm actually a pretty nice guy. I love to joke around, though. I've been laughing my head off out loud at my own comebacks here.

I'm new here and I find the 'gloves off, no holds barred' atmosphere liberating, if not entertaining. But I do have to say I have been completely put off by the way several people post here. It's like Jesus and the Pharisees all over again! I can see them looking down their haughty noses at the masses who do not unquestionably agree with what they teach. I'm jokester, and I'm giving it back to 'em. I feel like Phil Hartman in a Saturday Night Live skit here. It's a gas.
You don't wanna marry Dcon?
I'll tell you a secret, I've been doing some laughing myself.
It's good to share the message of the NT.
There are new Christian's reading along and they need to read the truth.
I hope you keep posting.
There are some nice persons who aren't even posting that agree with you.
 
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AMEN....for the most part it has been pretty decent......just a few remarks every now and then from all sides.....heated debates do not bother me......ching, ching, ching goes the swords......armor and shields banging and clanking etc......
"Iron sharpens Iron" (swords) ... and dang if mine couldn't slice off a flea's wing at 30 paces!:p
 
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Maybe I read it differently but I took it to mean that we don't sit down and make a list of sins to ask God to forgive us because some we might not even be aware of as a sin.

Personally I believe it is good to set aside time each day to pray and ask God what we need to repent of and learn from Him in a quiet place in prayer. Tell God what we did and ask Him what we need to change.


But I wouldn't be legalistic about it. I would trust God to stop me in my tracks if I sinned and chastens me.

If God convicts of sin, we should repent.

That is just common sense.


However we should not be so worried or fearful of not repenting every sin we ever commiited. It can become a legalistic chain, like the Sabbath keepers.


What is meant for freedom and rest, can be twisted to enslave and oppress.

SO you do not believe the Holy Spirit does this on your behalf either? What nonsense is this, I don't know what a SIN is....
 

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I witnessed for years in the work place.
Not my gift.
What about your gift of the Holy Spirit? After the Apostles received the gift of the Holy Ghost, they became powerful witnesses of Jesus Christ. While Apostles have a "special" calling to be witnesses of Christ, each member of the Church also has the responsibility to bear witness of Him. The Holy Spirit is a gift; therefore all who have the Holy Spirit can bear witness by way of righteousness. The Holy Spirit helps us know when and how to testify of Christ in righteousness. And as we follow the spirits promptings, and employ our minds on behalf of the spirits discernment then, our faith will increase, our sensitivity to the spirit will grow, and we will become more effective witnesses for the Lord Jesus Christ.

I understand the premise to your argument; that we are uniquely gifted and not all are gifted or called to Pastor, or become missionaries, or teach etc etc - but we are all called to be ready for any one who asks us, especially the world, of the hope we have in Christ.

After all, who in the ordinary way is likely to mutilate you for being enthusiastic for good? And if it should happen that you suffer “for righteousness’ sake”, that is a privilege. You need neither fear their threats nor worry about them; simply concentrate on being completely devoted to Christ in your hearts. Be ready at any time to give a quiet and reverent answer to any man who wants a reason for the hope that you have within you. Make sure that your conscience is perfectly clear, so that if men should speak slanderously of you as villains they may come to feel ashamed of themselves for misrepresentation of your good Christian behavior. (1 Peter 3:15). Scripture also tells us that it is useful for training, so we can learn to be better witnesses as well, as the Lord establishes our steps thru our spirits guise.
 
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SO you do not believe the Holy Spirit does this on your behalf either? What nonsense is this, I don't know what a SIN is....
Re-read my post....pray...read it again...then come back and tell me where I said that?

Here let me help shorten and bold it in case you missed it...

I would trust God to stop me in my tracks if I sinned and chastens me.

If God convicts of sin, we should repent.


That is just common sense.


However we should not be so worried or fearful of not repenting every sin we ever commiited. It can become a legalistic chain, like the Sabbath keepers.


What is meant for freedom and rest, can be twisted to enslave and oppress
 
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"Iron sharpens Iron" (swords) ... and dang if mine couldn't slice off a flea's wing at 30 paces!:p
I heard that........as a Marine I have a healthy respect for the swordsmen of old.......like Shogun warrior and the knights of old.....
 
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Goodness you just contradicted yourself again and you do it all the time...First you said it is impossible to confess all your sins, because you cannot remember them all, now you would have us all believe you had a breakthrough confession session in small group....which one is it!?!?!?

Nope I do not believe that at all...The Holy Spirit reminds me when I miss the mark, are you claiming this is not his ministry...are you saying he does not do that for you?.....you certainly seem to imply it.....if you think this, you are going against the word...
Did I say I confess all my sins. Can you show me the word "all" in my post.

you did not answer my question again, does sin cause you to lose salvation or not? You seems to imply it when you mocked me for saying eternal forgives is not based on confessing sin so which is it

still waiting for you to answer my question, why is it so hard, are you afraid?
 

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Oh yes, they chased after him.For what he could do and who he was. Just having the power That Jesus had was enough to draw most people to him. Salvation, healing the sick, casting out of demons. Helping the blind and crippled to see.
 

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The following Sunday morning, I was at a Spirit filled Church waving my hands and giving him the praise for saving me. And all of a sudden , the Holy Spirit urged the Pastor to come over to me and lay hand on me, baptizing me in the Holy Spirit. I had not known anyone at that church. It was amazing, because for a brief moment I was under the control Of the Holy Spirit , and spoke in an unknown language. Glory be to God.
 
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"Offense" is the trigger :cool:

Sometimes people do do not like it when others disagree with them, this can lead to all kinds of stuff, as we witnessed today
 
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I actually do not find it hostile, fervent maybe, but that is okay, these are important topics, we not talking about simple matters like who makes the best ketchup. :)

There have been way more hostile threads than this, I was thinking we were actually doing a pretty good job staying civil.
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"Offense" is the trigger :cool:
I can openly admit I feel a "restlessness" deep inside when I see a post with which I don't agree. I, like many of you (probably) flip through pages of scripture to affirm/or debate what I believe when a post just seems to be "out there". Not that it causes me to doubt, but I feel the temporary "sting" of offense and I need to bring comfort to the restlessness that is stirred awake.
 
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Oh yes, they chased after him.For what he could do and who he was. Just having the power That Jesus had was enough to draw most people to him. Salvation, healing the sick, casting out of demons. Helping the blind and crippled to see.
John 6

” 26Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, you are seeking me, not because you saw signs, but because you ate your fill of the loaves. 27Do not work for the food that perishes, but for the food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you. For on him God the Father has set his seal.” 28Then they said to him, “What must we do, to be doing the works of God?” 29Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.” 30So they said to him, “Then what sign do you do, that we may see and believe you? What work do you perform? 31Our fathers ate the manna in the wilderness; as it is written, ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.’” 32Jesus then said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, it was not Moses who gave you the bread from heaven, but my Father gives you the true bread from heaven. 33For the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.” 34They said to him, “Sir, give us this bread always.”

35Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst. 36But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe. 37All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. 38For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. 39And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. 40For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”


41So the Jews grumbled about him, because he said, “I am the bread that came down from heaven.” 42They said, “Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How does he now say, ‘I have come down from heaven’?” 43Jesus answered them, “Do not grumble among yourselves. 44No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day. 45It is written in the Prophets, ‘And they will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me— 46not that anyone has seen the Father except he who is from God; he has seen the Father. 47Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life. 48I am the bread of life. 49Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. 50This is the bread that comes down from heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die. 51I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And the bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.”

52The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” 53So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. 55For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. 56Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. 57As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so whoever feeds on me, he also will live because of me. 58This is the bread that came down from heaven, not like the breadc the fathers ate, and died. Whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.” 59Jesusd said these things in the synagogue, as he taught at Capernaum.

The Words of Eternal Life

60When many of his disciples heard it, they said, “This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?” 61But Jesus, knowing in himself that his disciples were grumbling about this, said to them, “Do you take offense at this? 62Then what if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before? 63It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. 64But there are some of you who do not believe.” (For Jesus knew from the beginning who those were who did not believe, and who it was who would betray him.) 65And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”

66After this many of his disciples turned back and no longer walked with him.
 
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